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Teachers’ Pensions Are a Half-Trillion Short
National Review ^ | 12/14/12 | Kevin D. Williamson

Posted on 12/15/2012 4:14:14 PM PST by Libloather

Teachers’ Pensions Are a Half-Trillion Short
By Kevin D. Williamson
December 14, 2012 11:15 A.M.

The habitual overpromising and underfunding of government-employee pensions is a fiscal powder keg in an economy full of sparks — and a new report estimates that teachers’ pensions alone are underfunded by nearly a half-trillion dollars.

**SNIP**

Note that the savings per teacher derived from the reform of eligibility rules runs $450,000, or more than two and a half times the average net worth of a retirement-age U.S. household. The real value of the average teacher’s retirement benefits in low-cost Wyoming is pushing the $1 million mark. The value of the average teacher’s retirement in Illinois is estimated at $2.4 million — and they were on strike over compensation not too long ago. Illinois has been issuing debt to meet its pension obligations, an unsustainable strategy.

The economics of the pension situation is of course worrisome (terrifying), but the political lesson is depressing, too: Government simply cannot be trusted to keep honest accounts.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: funds; nea; pensions; retirement; taxandspend; teachers; trillion

1 posted on 12/15/2012 4:14:17 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

That’s why the Obama régime will loot the IRAs and 401(k)s


2 posted on 12/15/2012 4:17:45 PM PST by Katechon
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To: Libloather
This just popped up on twitter from Dave Mustaine (Evil heavy metal singer)

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3 posted on 12/15/2012 4:19:40 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Libloather

I’ve got a feeling that it won’t be long until total tribal warfare is going to break out in this country. The more each tribe gets, the more they want.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 4:20:20 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: Libloather

Everything government runs runs a deficit. But Obamacare is going to be the sole exception. Sure.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 4:20:37 PM PST by fhayek
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To: Libloather

Teachers deserve what they vote for: shit.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 4:20:42 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Libloather

“Improper enrichment” or “Fraud” are accurate descriptions of teacher salaries in America. They were paid to teach, failed to so do, and now want to be paid for such failure? ? ?

Somewhere, a hungry lawyer is going to see the enormous cash value of teacher assets acquired for duties they did not perform.

;-)

Pensions, indeed!

Take their illegally acquired assets. We do that to other criminals, so why not treat teachers the same?


7 posted on 12/15/2012 4:21:34 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: Libloather

You’d think at least the math teachers would’ve figured this one out a long time ago.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 4:22:12 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Libloather

Every defined benefit government pensioner is a defacto millionaire. The problem is that we dont have enough productive private sector workers willing to keep government benefits at the lavish superenumerated level.

Add to that the fact that you have to tax actual productive citizens at such a rate that they cannot keep enough of their money to save for their own pensions

Government pensions will not be paid as expected.


9 posted on 12/15/2012 4:27:36 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: Katechon
That’s why the Obama régime will loot the IRAs and 401(k)s

And the NYC banksters wish to loot our Social Security too. Their plan (of the ultra elite) is to disarm all Americans before they start on their second great plundering of society. The first was in 2008 and the great bailout.

I just ran across this video. Any opinions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p_Ic_OvIPtU

10 posted on 12/15/2012 4:28:21 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Libloather
My Dad worked for 40 years for a famous company that was driven out of business a few years ago by technology.As a result,his pension was turned over to the Federal agency that insures pensions (can't recall its name).As a result he lost about a third of his pension.You could say he took a pretty good “haircut”.I'd have *no* problem whatsoever with *every* government retiree in the nation (except for Armed Forces retirees) taking a pension “haircut” at *least* as big as my Dad's.
11 posted on 12/15/2012 4:33:13 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: Katechon
That’s why the Obama régime will loot the IRAs and 401(k)s

Bingo! We have a winner!!!


12 posted on 12/15/2012 4:40:51 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: P.O.E.
You’d think at least the math teachers would’ve figured this one out a long time ago.

Post of the day! Just goes to show who is teaching our children.

13 posted on 12/15/2012 4:48:49 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: cripplecreek

Gads....lol!


14 posted on 12/15/2012 4:53:13 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: Libloather

I know this sounds harsh, but perhaps the teachers be asked to fund their fair share of their own pensions? I know its mean and all, and they are all poor, but many pay nothing into social security ($900/month for me) and I also try and fund my own 401. I know its a hardship and all, but should not those who benefit from it, pay for it? Its just a thought.


15 posted on 12/15/2012 5:01:09 PM PST by JohnD9207 (Isn't freedom worth fighting for?)
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To: Libloather

So that’s why I got a notice from the IRS that I owe them $296.00 dollars from the tax year 2010


16 posted on 12/15/2012 5:12:58 PM PST by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: P.O.E.
You’d think at least the math teachers would’ve figured this one out a long time ago.

Not from what I see in the results of K-12 math education that make it to university. Maybe if math teachers majored in math, rather than math ed. . .

17 posted on 12/15/2012 5:20:33 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I am a military pensioner and I’d have no problem with a five or ten percent haircut or a multi-year COLA freeze if it was accompanied by the significant elimination of programs that the states can handle. Examples would be Energy, Education, the EPA, etc. The list is long.


18 posted on 12/15/2012 5:28:30 PM PST by MSF BU (n)
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To: Libloather

Actually, the damage done by the pensions of retiring teachers to the nation’s economic system PALES when compared to the damage they have done by advancing an anti-Judaeo-Christian, anti-Western, anti-American agenda in the school system.

THAT has allowed Obama to get elected TWICE - by warping permanently the minds of generations of young Americans.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 5:45:46 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: Katechon
That’s why the Obama régime will loot the IRAs and 401(k)s

Not needed; just keep the press rolling. No Problemo.
20 posted on 12/15/2012 5:52:23 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: RFEngineer

-— Government pensions will not be paid as expected. ——

And there will be much pissing and moaning. Then the walking dead will go after taxpayers with a vengeance.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 5:54:19 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Libloather

How much have these unions dumped into political campaigns? How much in WI to recall the gov? I’ve thought for a long time that these unions have done a terrible disservice to their members by funding politicians. I can’t imagine any member would choose to have their retirement spent like that.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 5:54:49 PM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: Libloather

The more they get from government, the more they contribute to socialist politics.


23 posted on 12/15/2012 5:57:00 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: JohnD9207

My wife has been paying 8.9% out of her monthly paycheck for over 20 years; her state teacher pension all comes from her own contributions. Every state is different. Here in Alaska, they have changed the pension formula three times over the last 30 years. I have a hunting buddy who retired after 36 years, (he had been a Marine Captain for 8 years and was able to put those years toward teacher pension), anyway he taught for 32 years. He got $4400/month from his retirement when he did retire. I hear all the stories & huge pension amounts but honestly I don’t think they are all that high. Every state is different.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 6:00:35 PM PST by Eska
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To: Libloather

This is why they’re going to take your 401(k).

You did everything right.

Now you get to pay for those who didn’t. :)

It’s called “fairness”.

It’s not fair for you, but that’s beside the point. :)


25 posted on 12/15/2012 6:04:52 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Libloather

This shortage can easily be taken care of by a moderate stimulus package. Not hard at all to print that much loot.


26 posted on 12/15/2012 6:18:13 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Libloather

When Texas got the lottery, the teachers’ retirement was raided. They were promised the money would be returned. You get one guess if it ever was.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 6:30:05 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: RedMDer

Should be a requirement that math teachers be conversant in basic economics, accounting, etc. Pure math is great, but not what most students need.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 9:25:28 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: bgill

Same with Illinois. The Lottery was to go into the education fund. But, what they do each year, is reduce the education fund by the amount they project the lottery will bring in, and later sell bonds to cover their “miscalculations”.

They always over estimate what the lottery will bring in, thus reducing the education fund. What they take from the education fund, goes into the general fund, where it is lost.

In any event, I am owed a good sum of money by my state for work done over the years. I cannot be paid. I am out equipment and labor costs. I cannot foreclose on the equipment (like a contractors lien) because the state says so. I will not get paid, as our debt increases daily. I am at the bottom of the list.

The top of the list in Illinois? Pensions. Next is legal work. My attorney says I should never expect to be paid. He doesn’t expect to ever get paid for the work he has done, and I’m well below him in priority to the state.

But, crooked contractors (road construction) goes on all over the state because it is fed money. And those contractors are very very well connected to the dems. Little shops like mine got shafted hard.

Oh and btw, on a further note, as the years went on, our state passed laws that we had to pay a “living wage” to our employees. We paid a good amount above union scale, but had a 401k that they could contribute to and we would match up to what was allowable over the years. Well, as time went on, more and more cities refused our bids, citing that our 401k did not meet “the living wage” and only a pension could qualify. Which meant, you had to be union. Even though our 401k had a better pay out for the investment, it was still considered not a “living wage”. I could go on and on about it, but that’s enough I reckon.


29 posted on 12/16/2012 2:40:43 AM PST by esoxmagnum (The rats have been trained to pull the D voting lever to get their little food pellet)
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To: Libloather

Attention all teachers - you want taxes to make up for this and so do we - all teachers’ taxes will triple until we get this pension deficit under control. That is all - over and out.


30 posted on 12/16/2012 4:21:51 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Libloather; All

Where can I buy a mattress that doubles as a safe?

Seems the only way to ensure savings of any kind. And, these days, the interest is even better than most financial institutions

At least this article got to the problem of educators retirements...the way the government handles them. And, I work for a school...so I am doubly concerned (believe me...my overall retirement will never get near $1 million...not even in my dreams...not even in your dreams)

Here in Florida, the state pension system was one of the best funded and solvent in the nation. Very much in the black, and, would have funded retirements for a loooong time. But, the state has raided the pension fund to fund the general state expenditures...and now Gov Rick Scott has pretty much put the first state income tax in Florida on anyone in the retirement system...as their 3% supposedly to go into the pension fund is being used for the general fund (hence it is an income tax).

Now, there is a lawsuit to either give that money back, or, move into the pension. Which means the state taxpayers are on the hook for about $1.5 billion....because the state will lose the lawsuit as the Florida Constitution specifically outlaws a state income tax.

I would prefer to use my own money to fund my own retirement...and not rely on the government...or have the government force me to use their retirement. Most would want so also

Everyone should pay attention to their spending and retirement funding/financing in their state and local areas. There is a upcoming disaster brewing with these pensions...even in states that seem to be solvent. Florida was once quite solvent...but not anymore.


31 posted on 12/16/2012 5:05:29 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Eska

My wife has been paying 8.9% out of her monthly paycheck for over 20 years; her state teacher pension all comes from her own contributions. Every state is different. Here in Alaska, they have changed the pension formula three times over the last 30 years. I have a hunting buddy who retired after 36 years, (he had been a Marine Captain for 8 years and was able to put those years toward teacher pension), anyway he taught for 32 years. He got $4400/month from his retirement when he did retire. I hear all the stories & huge pension amounts but honestly I don’t think they are all that high. Every state is different.


Every state is different

The state of Florida specifically funded the pensions for many years until 2011...when the state required everyone to contribute 3% per paycheck to the fund....however that money is going into the general fund...and the state contribution to the pension is much less. Sad part is that Florida would not have pension fund issues if it was not for government overspending by both parties (DNC and GOP)

I will never see $4400 per month in retirement...and thank God I am using other means to fund retirement. I would rather just fund my retirement, wholly, on my own


32 posted on 12/16/2012 5:12:31 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: esoxmagnum

Shaking head...


33 posted on 12/16/2012 6:54:33 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Libloather

My brother, a retired Chicago teacher, was recently notified he has been receiving too much money from his pension. From now on he will not get a cost of living raise. But I doubt that will help much with Illinois pension crisis.

http://www.chicagonow.com/state-of-your-state/2012/11/illinois-pension-crisis-now-unfixable/


34 posted on 12/16/2012 7:15:46 AM PST by Atlantan
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To: cripplecreek

Tagline match!


35 posted on 12/16/2012 7:27:55 AM PST by TADSLOS (No need to watch the movie "Idiocracy". We're living it.)
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To: GladesGuru

Keeping the money you stole depends on what caste you are in. If you rob from the ruling class (Democratic politically correct) your profits are confiscated. If you are a member of the ruling class and get caught stealing tax dollars you get to keep it all including your pension. Because it’s for the greater good and the children.


36 posted on 12/16/2012 7:40:35 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: Libloather; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows

“SEE ME”


37 posted on 12/16/2012 10:44:27 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Eska

If he collected for 20 yrs that’s over 1 million guaranteed. Other people that need to have their retirement earn money while their collecting are screwed because of the low interest rates.


38 posted on 12/16/2012 9:50:12 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Katechon
That’s why the Obama régime will loot the IRAs and 401(k)s

Maybe that's already begun, with many long-term unemployed cashing out their 401K's to pay for necessities...and getting hit with standard tax +10% penalty in the process.

39 posted on 12/16/2012 9:58:01 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (I prefer liberty with danger to peace with slavery, IXNAY THE TSA!)
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To: Rusty0604
This friend of mine had Sarah Palin in school, and taught with her dad; he'd been around for some time, ha ha. His wife was still teaching and he'd razz her that she didn't make what he did retired.

Seriously though, nowadays most teachers pay all of their own retirement contributions.

Here's the reason why teacher's pension plans are broke. Back in the 80's, our good Repub legislators up here in Alaska had some NYC financial consulting firm do a study and come to the conclusion that the stock market would go up forever and under the original teacher pension plan the state did make contributions; but they haven't for almost 20 years now. Well, the NYC firm said there's was no reason for the state to continue contributing and they stopped. The state teachers said no way, part of the contract and there would be future problems. All these years later the original teacher pension plan is now under funded, just like the teachers warned. It will never go broke, cause all the new teachers pay their own pensions and Alaska has future mineral wealth. When Palin was our good Governor and she was a great Governor; she wanted to send pension system a billion from one of our state oil money funds to make it right. Reason was she said when the Alaskan People found out that our Repubs were responsible, they'd lose the election, ha ha. She was right too. So, I figure most of this pension under funding has to do with corruption anyway. True story.

40 posted on 12/16/2012 10:48:14 PM PST by Eska
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