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Attorney General Secretly Granted Gov. Ability to Develop and Store Dossiers on Innocent Americans
Wired | December 13, 2012 | Kim Zetter

Posted on 12/15/2012 4:22:01 PM PST by upchuck

Link only.

Holder now has the right to keep dossiers on U.S. citizens.

More here.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhodoj; constitution; counterterrorism; database; doj; illegaldatabase; ncc; privacy; unconstitutional
Outrageous. Soon to vigorously challenged, I hope.
1 posted on 12/15/2012 4:22:11 PM PST by upchuck
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To: upchuck

Is there really any doubt in any conservative, free man that Barack Hussein Obama, a tyrant, is about to enslave America? Is there really any doubt about his plans, folks? Honestly. I would entertain any reasonable, rational, fact-based discussion to the contrary, but I doubt anyone meeting those criteria would stand up to argue.

It’s over, guys. One by one, FReepers, conservatives, Republicans, gun owners, Christians, Catholics, Jews will be scooped up, tracked, Vince Foster’d, or outright executed. I have no doubt in my mind, down to the very core of my being and into the marrow of every bone in my body that we will be living in a socialist dictatorship in less than 4 years.


2 posted on 12/15/2012 4:49:08 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: upchuck; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; KC_Lion; Godzilla; Domestic Church; dragonblustar; ..

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Massive new surveillance program uncovered by Wall Street Journal

The Wall Street Journal reported today that the little-known National Counterterrorism Center, based in an unmarked building in McLean, Va., has been granted sweeping new authority to store and monitor massive datasets about innocent Americans.

After internal wrangling over privacy and civil liberties issues, the Justice Department reportedly signed off on controversial new guidelines earlier this year. The guidelines allow the NCTC, for the first time, to keep data about innocent U.S. citizens for up to five years, using “predictive pattern-matching,” to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior. The data the counterterrorism center has access to, according to the Journal, includes “entire government databases—flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and many others.”

Notably, the Journal reports that these changes also allow databases about U.S. civilians to be handed over to foreign governments for analysis, presumably so that they too can attempt to determine future criminal actions. The Department of Homeland
Security’s former chief privacy officer said that it represents a “sea change in the way that the government interacts with the general public.”

Read More:
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_22185907/massive-new-surveillance-program-uncovered-by-wall-street?source=most_emailed

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3 posted on 12/15/2012 5:11:39 PM PST by LucyT
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To: rarestia

It will be a long 4 years.

This is still Texas where I live. Resist it will.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 5:13:46 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: upchuck

This news? Anyone with a Security Clearance already has a dossier! 1,000,000’s of US citizens.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 5:18:24 PM PST by TaMoDee ( Lassez les bons temps rouler dans les 2012! Allez Pack!)
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To: LucyT

And I bet there is a field on one of the tables that marks “D” versus “R”, versus “I”.


6 posted on 12/15/2012 5:23:39 PM PST by bergmeid (FUBO)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks LucyT.
Massive new surveillance program uncovered by Wall Street Journal
Cool, just in time to tip the election to Romney. Wait, what?


7 posted on 12/15/2012 5:25:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: LucyT

Wonder if the liberal fascists will utter a word about this? I won’t hold my breath.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 5:29:44 PM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: TaMoDee

Yep, they really DO check everything (even having “new” postal delivery folks deliver the mail for awhile... to see what magazines etc are being read)


9 posted on 12/15/2012 5:30:01 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

Yep, they really DO check everything (even having “new” postal delivery folks deliver the mail for awhile... to see what magazines etc are being read)

_____________________

How do you know this?

I thought the bar code was a from to bar code...or is it just to


10 posted on 12/15/2012 5:31:47 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: LucyT

bttt


11 posted on 12/15/2012 5:40:58 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Texas Fossil
This is still Texas where I live. Resist it will.

Amen, TF. Resist, we will.

13 posted on 12/15/2012 5:43:51 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: upchuck

When the NSA facility in Utah goes online I fear to think how much larger those dossiers are going to get and how many innocents are going to be targeted. I imagine the security is going to be extreme at first.


14 posted on 12/15/2012 5:48:38 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: LucyT

Waiting for the lefties to protest this abuse of power...and waiting...and waiting.


15 posted on 12/15/2012 6:07:24 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: LucyT

March towards totalitarianism...


16 posted on 12/15/2012 6:08:48 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: rarestia

“It’s over, guys. One by one, FReepers, conservatives, Republicans, gun owners, Christians, Catholics, Jews will be scooped up, tracked, Vince Foster’d, or outright executed.”

Get a grip, rarestia. These 400 pound slobs in the federal bureaucracy wouldn’t last two minutes on a battlefield, including your neighborhood.

Here in South Carolina, the tea party was attacked by the fearsome SEIU gestapo. Within about two minutes, these leftist fat boys were begging and bawling for the local cops or their mommies to come rescue them.

Let’s not assign superman powers to union worms.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 6:12:53 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: LucyT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2969098/posts

“”Justice Dept. Studied and Shelved Ideas to Bolster Gun Database” - the Justice Department drew up a detailed list of steps the government could take to expand the background-check system in order to reduce the risk of guns falling into the hands of mentally ill people and criminals.”

They’ll be taking that expanded background check back off the shelf with these latest rounds of shootings. Welcome to al Amerika.


18 posted on 12/15/2012 6:20:24 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Windflier

Come get some moron. You can keep your head in the sand for as long as you want but I have no illusions as to what’s coming.


19 posted on 12/15/2012 6:24:33 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Come get some moron.

Oh, now you're some kind of badass. An hour ago, you were curling up in a ball and sobbing about the end of the world, and going to Obama's concentration camps.

You can keep your head in the sand for as long as you want but I have no illusions as to what’s coming.

There you go again. If you're so convinced that you're helplessly hopeless, and that you're gonna get dragged off to a FEMA prison, then do us all a favor and log off FR until they come for you. Your doom and gloom drivel is insufferable.

20 posted on 12/15/2012 6:32:08 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: upchuck

East Germany and it’s Stasi never had the ability to collect data the way our post 9/11 government does. And also the DHS has the manpower of the USMC, and twice it’s budget. It is also aimed straight at us.

We are headed full speed into a dictatorship.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 6:35:23 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: upchuck

Google it baby.....


22 posted on 12/15/2012 6:50:16 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: upchuck

if I wanted to see a dossier on an American... I would just find their Facebook page

facebook... user maintained. 99% accurate. associations. candid photos.

what more do you need?
work history? —> LinkedIn.com

bills paid? —> equifax.com

movements? —> cell phone gps data

seriously, what more could they get from a govt agency?

oh yea... a govt salary


23 posted on 12/15/2012 7:15:43 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Windflier

How about instead of trying to playing mind doctor you offer your view of what’s to come? How about a counter to what I’ve said? How about you give me your hopeful, rosy view. How about trying to raise spirits instead of mindlessly calling one man’s view of our future a hopeless dream. Offer solutions instead of bashing the messenger. You’d make a terrible leader.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 7:29:04 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: upchuck
99 1/2 percent are more boring than watching MSNBC, 300,000,000.00 people mean a lot of dead trees and poor use of electricity....They should have to use only energy coming from wind turbines...
25 posted on 12/15/2012 7:38:55 PM PST by goat granny
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To: rarestia
How about trying to raise spirits instead of mindlessly calling one man’s view of our future a hopeless dream.

"Doctor, heal thyself".

You're the one who said, "It’s over, guys. One by one, FReepers, conservatives, Republicans, gun owners, Christians, Catholics, Jews will be scooped up, tracked, Vince Foster’d, or outright executed."

I ask you now. How 'rosy' is that statement?

Understand that I'm trying to snap you out of your doom and gloom mindset. Now's not the time to hopelessly grieve about our impending doom. Nothing of the kind is certain, and it's completely out of the question if all true patriots stiffen their spines and remember the courage of their forefathers.

This country didn't magically appear out of the pages of fiction, wonderfully penned by the Framer's generation. No, the majesty and magnificence of this nation was bought and paid for with real human sacrifice. Blood, treasure, property, freedom, sweat, tears, anguish, and real loss were the price, and your ancestors likely paid a part of it. I know mine did.

Do you think they possessed some special brand of courage that no longer exists in the DNA of Americans? You'd be wrong, if you did. They were as terrified of what they were forced to confront as anyone in this day and age. Men and women aren't born with courage. It's an assumed point of view. If you ever faced down a bully or a thug, then you know what I'm talking about.

It's a choice. A decision. One we must make for the sake of our children and their children.

26 posted on 12/15/2012 8:37:27 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier; rarestia

calm down boys!
Our Fore Fathers laid down their blood and treasures quite literally to form this Union.
I’m sorry, I don’t see that level of courage today.
A good example has been the Republican “process” of election. All the best people were scared off by hints of sexual misconduct or some other dubious media construct.
We need a person (male or female, black, white or other) that has the courage to say the truth no matter what the consequences. So far I haven’t seen it.

The truth is, we are almost completely Soviet now. The only reason we aren’t being carted off to the gulags is because we are ineffectual.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 3:16:31 AM PST by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: rarestia
It’s over, guys. One by one, FReepers, conservatives, Republicans, gun owners, Christians, Catholics, Jews will be scooped up, tracked, Vince Foster’d, or outright executed. I have no doubt in my mind, down to the very core of my being and into the marrow of every bone in my body that we will be living in a socialist dictatorship in less than 4 years.

And I'll wager that FR posters are at the top of the list...

28 posted on 12/16/2012 4:23:46 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: LucyT

No Communism, no Nazism, nah...it’s only the dictatorship you voted for and deserve.

Probably this post will update my government surveillance account!

This is the expected L0w and H0lder in my tag line.


29 posted on 12/16/2012 6:12:21 AM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: vanilla swirl
The only reason we aren’t being carted off to the gulags is because we are...

...well armed and willing to do whatever it takes to remain so.

30 posted on 12/16/2012 6:21:24 AM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: Sirius Lee; LucyT; little jeremiah; azishot

“...well armed and willing to do whatever it takes to remain so.”

Remains to be seen.

I trusted the American people to correct their huge ‘08 mistake in ‘12. After four years of what erroneously has been called “European Socialism” that in fact was no less than soft Communism, I thought that living through it would convince many who voted for a “breeze of fresh air,” that what they smelled was nothing but a huge communist fart.

Unfortunately, it proved not to be. I just wonder, if we’re still experimenting with the destruction of our beloved Republic while our founding fathers are turning in their graves.

All what had happened and will happen is because of the communist media’s enabling of the “total transformation” of America.


31 posted on 12/16/2012 6:58:34 AM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: LucyT

THanks for the ping!


32 posted on 12/17/2012 8:31:24 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Windflier

You’re correct on all points. My initial post was hysterical and shortsighted. I admit that now. I was swept up in the emotion of the event and awash in anger over the political hay being made over the not-yet-cold bodies of children. Last night’s interruption of both a football game and my Sunday evening Fox cartoons really just put an exclamation point on how ridiculously retarded our Liberal politicians really are.

I’m also consistently at odds with my spiritual self. I’ve said numerous times on this forum that my soul is at ease with the idea of being killed by federal “law enforcers” when they either come to steal our private property or otherwise ignite CWII. There are times, for instance events like Newtown, when my spiritual self-preservation mechanism kicks in and I get downright angry about the idea of a benevolent federal tyrant taking my life and property from me. I think that’s what happened. I try to squelch the fear and the anxiety, but I often get emotionally tied up in these sorts of modern events.

So I thank you for your patience with me. I stand by my responses by saying that we, as conservatives, should abstain from personal attacks and discuss ideas and events, but sometimes it becomes difficult to communicate with the hysterical. In this case, I was the hysteric, and I apologize for that.


33 posted on 12/17/2012 11:14:56 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
I get downright angry about the idea of a benevolent federal tyrant taking my life and property from me. I think that’s what happened. I try to squelch the fear and the anxiety, but I often get emotionally tied up in these sorts of modern events.

So I thank you for your patience with me.

Rarestia, you expressed a rare degree of humility there, which says to me that you're made of a distilled essence of the 'right stuff'. Thank you for being so candid, and for truly looking at what we've discussed from a different viewpoint. That's also a rare quality, which I'd very much like to publicly acknowledge.

Yes, the extreme pressures the current administration have laid upon the center-right of this country are practically unprecedented in our history. It's a testament to our people's innate goodness and civility that they haven't risen in violent anger against it.

Our people's patience is bordering on saint-like, but it does have its limits, which the administration is pushing us closer and closer to, by the day. I suppose I can understand that individuals will react differently to that pressure.

Remember this. You have friends here - many of whom would stand in the breech to defend you, if worse came to worse. You're not alone.

34 posted on 12/17/2012 6:34:26 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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