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Attorney General Secretly Granted Gov. Ability to Develop and Store Dossiers on Innocent Americans
Wired | December 13, 2012 | Kim Zetter

Posted on 12/15/2012 4:22:01 PM PST by upchuck

Link only.

Holder now has the right to keep dossiers on U.S. citizens.

More here.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
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To: upchuck

East Germany and it’s Stasi never had the ability to collect data the way our post 9/11 government does. And also the DHS has the manpower of the USMC, and twice it’s budget. It is also aimed straight at us.

We are headed full speed into a dictatorship.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 6:35:23 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: upchuck

Google it baby.....


22 posted on 12/15/2012 6:50:16 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: upchuck

if I wanted to see a dossier on an American... I would just find their Facebook page

facebook... user maintained. 99% accurate. associations. candid photos.

what more do you need?
work history? —> LinkedIn.com

bills paid? —> equifax.com

movements? —> cell phone gps data

seriously, what more could they get from a govt agency?

oh yea... a govt salary


23 posted on 12/15/2012 7:15:43 PM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Windflier

How about instead of trying to playing mind doctor you offer your view of what’s to come? How about a counter to what I’ve said? How about you give me your hopeful, rosy view. How about trying to raise spirits instead of mindlessly calling one man’s view of our future a hopeless dream. Offer solutions instead of bashing the messenger. You’d make a terrible leader.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 7:29:04 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: upchuck
99 1/2 percent are more boring than watching MSNBC, 300,000,000.00 people mean a lot of dead trees and poor use of electricity....They should have to use only energy coming from wind turbines...
25 posted on 12/15/2012 7:38:55 PM PST by goat granny
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To: rarestia
How about trying to raise spirits instead of mindlessly calling one man’s view of our future a hopeless dream.

"Doctor, heal thyself".

You're the one who said, "It’s over, guys. One by one, FReepers, conservatives, Republicans, gun owners, Christians, Catholics, Jews will be scooped up, tracked, Vince Foster’d, or outright executed."

I ask you now. How 'rosy' is that statement?

Understand that I'm trying to snap you out of your doom and gloom mindset. Now's not the time to hopelessly grieve about our impending doom. Nothing of the kind is certain, and it's completely out of the question if all true patriots stiffen their spines and remember the courage of their forefathers.

This country didn't magically appear out of the pages of fiction, wonderfully penned by the Framer's generation. No, the majesty and magnificence of this nation was bought and paid for with real human sacrifice. Blood, treasure, property, freedom, sweat, tears, anguish, and real loss were the price, and your ancestors likely paid a part of it. I know mine did.

Do you think they possessed some special brand of courage that no longer exists in the DNA of Americans? You'd be wrong, if you did. They were as terrified of what they were forced to confront as anyone in this day and age. Men and women aren't born with courage. It's an assumed point of view. If you ever faced down a bully or a thug, then you know what I'm talking about.

It's a choice. A decision. One we must make for the sake of our children and their children.

26 posted on 12/15/2012 8:37:27 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier; rarestia

calm down boys!
Our Fore Fathers laid down their blood and treasures quite literally to form this Union.
I’m sorry, I don’t see that level of courage today.
A good example has been the Republican “process” of election. All the best people were scared off by hints of sexual misconduct or some other dubious media construct.
We need a person (male or female, black, white or other) that has the courage to say the truth no matter what the consequences. So far I haven’t seen it.

The truth is, we are almost completely Soviet now. The only reason we aren’t being carted off to the gulags is because we are ineffectual.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 3:16:31 AM PST by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningful to say)
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To: rarestia
It’s over, guys. One by one, FReepers, conservatives, Republicans, gun owners, Christians, Catholics, Jews will be scooped up, tracked, Vince Foster’d, or outright executed. I have no doubt in my mind, down to the very core of my being and into the marrow of every bone in my body that we will be living in a socialist dictatorship in less than 4 years.

And I'll wager that FR posters are at the top of the list...

28 posted on 12/16/2012 4:23:46 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: LucyT

No Communism, no Nazism, nah...it’s only the dictatorship you voted for and deserve.

Probably this post will update my government surveillance account!

This is the expected L0w and H0lder in my tag line.


29 posted on 12/16/2012 6:12:21 AM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: vanilla swirl
The only reason we aren’t being carted off to the gulags is because we are...

...well armed and willing to do whatever it takes to remain so.

30 posted on 12/16/2012 6:21:24 AM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: Sirius Lee; LucyT; little jeremiah; azishot

“...well armed and willing to do whatever it takes to remain so.”

Remains to be seen.

I trusted the American people to correct their huge ‘08 mistake in ‘12. After four years of what erroneously has been called “European Socialism” that in fact was no less than soft Communism, I thought that living through it would convince many who voted for a “breeze of fresh air,” that what they smelled was nothing but a huge communist fart.

Unfortunately, it proved not to be. I just wonder, if we’re still experimenting with the destruction of our beloved Republic while our founding fathers are turning in their graves.

All what had happened and will happen is because of the communist media’s enabling of the “total transformation” of America.


31 posted on 12/16/2012 6:58:34 AM PST by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D. in L0w and H0lder)
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To: LucyT

THanks for the ping!


32 posted on 12/17/2012 8:31:24 AM PST by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: Windflier

You’re correct on all points. My initial post was hysterical and shortsighted. I admit that now. I was swept up in the emotion of the event and awash in anger over the political hay being made over the not-yet-cold bodies of children. Last night’s interruption of both a football game and my Sunday evening Fox cartoons really just put an exclamation point on how ridiculously retarded our Liberal politicians really are.

I’m also consistently at odds with my spiritual self. I’ve said numerous times on this forum that my soul is at ease with the idea of being killed by federal “law enforcers” when they either come to steal our private property or otherwise ignite CWII. There are times, for instance events like Newtown, when my spiritual self-preservation mechanism kicks in and I get downright angry about the idea of a benevolent federal tyrant taking my life and property from me. I think that’s what happened. I try to squelch the fear and the anxiety, but I often get emotionally tied up in these sorts of modern events.

So I thank you for your patience with me. I stand by my responses by saying that we, as conservatives, should abstain from personal attacks and discuss ideas and events, but sometimes it becomes difficult to communicate with the hysterical. In this case, I was the hysteric, and I apologize for that.


33 posted on 12/17/2012 11:14:56 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
I get downright angry about the idea of a benevolent federal tyrant taking my life and property from me. I think that’s what happened. I try to squelch the fear and the anxiety, but I often get emotionally tied up in these sorts of modern events.

So I thank you for your patience with me.

Rarestia, you expressed a rare degree of humility there, which says to me that you're made of a distilled essence of the 'right stuff'. Thank you for being so candid, and for truly looking at what we've discussed from a different viewpoint. That's also a rare quality, which I'd very much like to publicly acknowledge.

Yes, the extreme pressures the current administration have laid upon the center-right of this country are practically unprecedented in our history. It's a testament to our people's innate goodness and civility that they haven't risen in violent anger against it.

Our people's patience is bordering on saint-like, but it does have its limits, which the administration is pushing us closer and closer to, by the day. I suppose I can understand that individuals will react differently to that pressure.

Remember this. You have friends here - many of whom would stand in the breech to defend you, if worse came to worse. You're not alone.

34 posted on 12/17/2012 6:34:26 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: LucyT

The NCC ...that was the former workplace of Obama CIA chief John O. Brennan, the communist.


35 posted on 04/04/2018 11:06:00 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa; TEXOKIE; upchuck; BenLurkin; SunkenCiv; null and void; aragorn; Art in Idaho; azishot; ...

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Ping to old article w updated info.

Attorney General Secretly Granted Gov. Ability to Develop and Store Dossiers on Innocent Americans
Wired | December 13, 2012 | Kim Zetter

From;
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2969135/posts

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Note Date - Posted on 12/15/2012

Massive new surveillance program uncovered by Wall Street Journal

The Wall Street Journal reported today that the little-known National Counterterrorism Center, based in an unmarked building in McLean, Va., has been granted sweeping new authority to store and monitor massive datasets about innocent Americans.

After internal wrangling over privacy and civil liberties issues, the Justice Department reportedly signed off on controversial new guidelines earlier this year. The guidelines allow the NCTC, for the first time, to keep data about innocent U.S. citizens for up to five years, using “predictive pattern-matching,” to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior.

The data the counterterrorism center has access to, according to the Journal, includes “entire government databases—flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and many others.”

Notably, the Journal reports that these changes also allow databases about U.S. civilians to be handed over to foreign governments for analysis, presumably so that they too can attempt to determine future criminal actions. The Department of Homeland
Security’s former chief privacy officer said that it represents a “sea change in the way that the government interacts with the general public.”

Read More:
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_22185907/massive-new-surveillance-program-uncovered-by-wall-street?source=most_emailed

Piasa posted Today, 4/5/2018:

The NCC ...that was the former workplace of Obama CIA chief John O. Brennan, the communist.

Thank you, piasa. Good find.


36 posted on 04/05/2018 7:19:33 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT; piasa
This had a precedent in the Clinton administration's Project Megiddo.
37 posted on 04/05/2018 7:51:22 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: LucyT; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
Thanks LucyT. This is probably what one of Obama's fag-hags was talking about.

38 posted on 04/05/2018 11:30:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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