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Bill Would Allow South Carolinians to Carry Guns Without Concealed Weapons Permits
wsav.com ^ | 14 December, 2012 | Robert Kittle

Posted on 12/15/2012 6:22:01 PM PST by marktwain

COLUMBIA, S.C. --

A bill prefiled in the South Carolina Senate would allow adults who can legally buy guns to carry them without having concealed weapons permits.

"The Second Amendment says that our rights to have firearms cannot be infringed upon and that's what the federal government is doing right now," says Sen. Lee Bright, R-Spartanburg, the sponsor of the bill. He and Sen. Kevin Bryant co-sponsored the same bill last year, but it never made it out of committee.

To get a concealed weapons permit, you have to complete a training class of at least eight hours. It has to include:

-information on handgun laws and laws about the use of deadly force.

-information about handgun safety and use.

-information about the proper storage of handguns, emphasizing reducing the possibility of injury to a child.

-actually firing the gun in the presence of an instructor.

The South Carolina Sheriffs' Association opposed the bill last year and will fight it again. Executive director Jeff Moore says, "We believe that that is the wrong thing to do simply because we believe a person ought to be trained on it to a minimal degree so that they have some understanding of how the weapon operates, how it works. And they need to know the rules for carrying them. Where can you carry them? Where can you not carry them?"

Sen. Bright says he's just trying to move back to the Constitution. The Second Amendment doesn't say anything about requiring a permit.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: banglist; carry; constitution; sc
The Tea Party will elect more legislators like Senator Bright.
1 posted on 12/15/2012 6:22:13 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Um...correct me if I’m wrong, but having lived there, I’m pretty sure the ‘Toothless Hill Country Folk’ are already doin’ this! ;)

Thank goodness their Rep-ree-sent-a-tives are finally catchin’ UP, LOL!


2 posted on 12/15/2012 6:25:45 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: marktwain

The ONLY permit we need is the 2nd Amendment. And it doesn’t cost a dime.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 6:29:26 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: marktwain

Any time you have to ask permission from the governmnet, it is no longer a right.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 6:35:30 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: marktwain

As a SC resident I will say “good on him” and hope this gets through.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 6:38:18 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: marktwain; l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
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6 posted on 12/15/2012 6:47:35 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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7 posted on 12/15/2012 6:48:10 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: marktwain

ummm, we had better think this through. carrying a handgun without a permit is the cause of many arrests in SC, which, in turn, takes thousands of murdering thugs off the streets.

I am totally cool with getting a permit. the bastard that wants to mug me is not. it won’t keep a gun out of his hands, but it will get him thrown into jail.


8 posted on 12/15/2012 6:54:00 PM PST by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: JohnBrowdie; All
I am totally cool with getting a permit. the bastard that wants to mug me is not. it won’t keep a gun out of his hands, but it will get him thrown into jail.

If he has a record, it will still be illegal for him to carry a gun.

I am not "cool" with having to obtain state permission to exercise your rights. It is a good incremental way to advance to constitutional carry, but it is not constitutional carry.

9 posted on 12/15/2012 7:06:36 PM PST by marktwain
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To: JohnBrowdie
Do you also believe it's a good idea to have a permit to exercise your freedom to speak or a permit to exercise any of your other rights? Why would you choose to allow the state to require a permit to exercise your 2nd amendment rights? This is definitely a step in the right direction.
10 posted on 12/15/2012 7:29:13 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Toothless Hill Country Folk’

Not everybody in "hill country" in SC is toothless, although I'm sure everyone in Wisconsin has perfect teeth, not that that has anything to do with this subject, but you brought it up.

11 posted on 12/15/2012 7:36:27 PM PST by PistolPaknMama
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To: PistolPaknMama

Oh, relax.

Hillbillies are Hillbillies no matter WHERE we live. Proud of it! :)


12 posted on 12/15/2012 7:48:16 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: marktwain

It will never get out of committee. We’ve had a bill “stuck” for 3 years just trying to get us to be able to carry into a restaurant that serves liquor. The same guy quashes it, and he’ll get this one too. (I’m tired of “hope” ... as recently said, “Hope is not a strategy” so I’m not listening to any of this stuff anymore ... when they “pass” it tell me).


13 posted on 12/15/2012 7:52:14 PM PST by ThePatriotsFlag (...and to the Republic for which it STOOD...)
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To: marktwain

What is wrong with an 8 hour training class on firearms?

Flame away.....


14 posted on 12/15/2012 7:58:54 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: upchuck

South Carolina is the only state in the South I can’t CC in (and won’t visit). Tell your governor to honor Indiana’s LTCH. At least allow non-resident Utah permits.


15 posted on 12/15/2012 8:12:14 PM PST by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

“What is wrong with an 8 hour training class on firearms?”

I had fired many thousands of rounds over a 30+ year period before I took my official, government approved class. It didn’t teach me anything I hadn’t already learned by reading my state laws on a website.

However, I did need to wait about 6 weeks to get in a class, and it took another month to receive my license. If I had been concerned about someone threatening me, I would have been dead before my license came. Your right to self-defense is not something the government should regulate.

BTW - my license arrived the same day Arizona no longer required it...


16 posted on 12/15/2012 8:19:59 PM PST by Mr Rogers (America is becoming California, and California is becoming Detroit. Detroit is already hell.)
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To: JohnBrowdie

It is legal in S.C. to carry a loaded handgun in the glovebox or console of your car (”lockable container”), no permit required.

The no-CCW bill isn’t too farfetched, IMO.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 8:30:10 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: marktwain

Constitutional Carry ping!


18 posted on 12/15/2012 9:41:43 PM PST by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: stylecouncilor

‘The South is rising again.’


19 posted on 12/15/2012 10:27:31 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I have run into a few of those Wisconsin hillbillies.

Not any differant from the southern hillbillies I have known.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 4:54:36 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: The_Media_never_lie

How much useful info is there to fill up a 8-hour gun safety course? You can give them scenario after scenario and picture after picture, but it all comes down to the basic rules - Treat very gun as if it was loaded and ready to shoot - if handled carelessly, a gun can discharge and hit an unintended victim - finger off the trigger when not intending to fire the weapon. be familiar with the weapon and all features. Give them the basics and show a few gory pictures of cases where folks violated the rules and paid for it. Could be a free on-line deal and be completed in 20 minutes and maybe require a documented trip to a range where the person fired at least 10 shots. And that only if the person has not had any contact/experience with firearms ( a 5-minute session to verify if there is any question) - if they have participated in any gun activities and are familiar with them, it’s just a waste of their time and money,


21 posted on 12/16/2012 5:00:25 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

“Um...correct me if I’m wrong, but having lived there, I’m pretty sure the ‘Toothless Hill Country Folk’ are already doin’ this!”

I live here and have all my teeth!!!! TYVM
I hope you are back in Wisconsin!


22 posted on 12/16/2012 6:26:54 AM PST by garykfd (American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God)
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To: trebb

In North Carolina, we allow open carry without permits.

Our training class has a required test showing you are able to hit a target at differing distances and at differing rates of fire.


23 posted on 12/16/2012 7:44:00 AM PST by gitmo ( If your theology doesn't become your biography it's useless.)
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To: marktwain
How will other states recognize our permits if SC hands them out to anyone requesting them (reciprocity)?

Having just completed my CCW class, I think that the information in the class on law and protecting yourself after a shooting (that is only the beginning) and on the range for a novice, is invaluable. Having a very competent instruction makes all the difference in how you will conduct yourself in certain situations. Trainig, training, training .....I am all for it.

The 90 period, finger prints and back ground check for SC to make sure that I am worthy of the permit, is what I have a problem with.

24 posted on 12/16/2012 11:05:45 AM PST by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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