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Australian politicians agree on gun laws
sbs.com.au ^ | December 15, 2012

Posted on 12/15/2012 9:23:02 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Both sides of Australian politics agree the US must consider legislating for tougher gun control following the massacre at a Connecticut school.

A gunman on Friday shot dead 20 small children and six teachers at the Newtown school, in one of the worst incidents of its kind in US history.

Deputy Opposition Leader Julie Bishop told ABC TV she was sure US President Barack Obama, members of Congress and senators would want to debate the issue.

"There has to be an end to this kind of senseless killing," she said.

"I'm sure there will be a search for the cause, for the meaning and a debate will ensue in the United States about what they can do to stop this kind of tragedy occurring again."

Labor frontbencher Chris Bowen said he hoped Mr Obama would tighten gun laws now that he was into his second and final term.

"I certainly hope that America, as a society and under the leadership of the president, can tackle this issue," he told Sky News.

"You can't say there's no link between lax gun laws and these events occurring far too regularly, in my view."

Former deputy prime minister Tim Fischer said a person was 15 times more likely to be shot dead in the USA than in Australia.

The veteran National Party member supported the Howard government introducing tough gun control measures opposed by much of his party following the Port Arthur massacre in April 1996.

"Surely this time congress and the administration will stand up to the National Rifle Association and fix the broken US public policy settings on firearms," Mr Fischer told AAP.

Malcolm Turnbull tweeted his support for tougher gun control in the US.

"Listening to President Obama on #AM who could not weep with him and all Americans at yet another tragedy. When will America act on guns?" he wrote on the social media platform Twitter.

Greens leader Christine Milne said she was pleased to hear Mr Obama talking about taking meaningful action after the "devastating shooting".

"After Port Arthur massacre, gun control achieved because of tri-partite support. In USA the Republicans would need to support it. Hard to see," she tweeted.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand
KEYWORDS: australia; australiaguncontrol; guncontrol; portarthur; sandyhookpolitics
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1 posted on 12/15/2012 9:23:05 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Who here give’s a rat’s patoot what the Aussies think?

Not I!


2 posted on 12/15/2012 9:25:55 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’m glad the Aussie politicians have solved all of their country’s problems and have spare time to offer us advise.
F ‘em.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 9:31:11 PM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oSH7lToqiE

Report on how Australia’s gun control does not work.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 9:32:29 PM PST by Wisconsinlady ("Never give the devil a ride; he will want to take over the driving.")
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I believe the Australians should focus on the baby-eating dingos.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 9:33:15 PM PST by HawkHogan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Get ready here America- the left WILL take away your right to own guns- and you will forever be at the mercy of criminals who couldn’t give a rats ass what laws are on the books- This IS goign to happen I do believe- The left has rammed thousands of gun laws down our throats, made it practically impossible for ordinary law abidign citizens to own guns, and the left can’t even enforce thel aws that are o nthe books- but that won’t stop them from makign it even more impossible to own guns- The left wants a revolt in this country- I truly beleibve they are pushing for one-


6 posted on 12/15/2012 9:33:32 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Exactly who gives a rat’s X@#! what some dimwitted foreign fools think? They should mind their own business or get nuked.


7 posted on 12/15/2012 9:35:32 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: CottShop

I can see it happening and I can also see Republicans in Congress going right along with it. Nothing would surprise me anymore


8 posted on 12/15/2012 9:36:37 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Former deputy prime minister Tim Fischer said a person was 15 times more likely to be shot dead in the USA than in Australia.

BAN ALL AUTOS. In 2010 in the USA you were killed in an auto 5 TIMES more than gun murders.

Stop listening to this blather. We have a Constitution and are we going to FIGHT to protect it? The WH Clown has already shredded it and what do the RINOs in Congress do? All to do about going over a "cliff" as if we weren't well over that cliff a while back. Where is the warrant for Eric Holder's arrest? How about Zero watching four Americans be gunned down in Benghazi? Let's get real here - THE REAL ENEMY HERE IS WITHIN OUR COUNTRY AND IT IS THE MEDIA. IT IS IF HALF OF AMERICA HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO MEDIA ZOMBIES.
9 posted on 12/15/2012 9:39:35 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: basil
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10 posted on 12/15/2012 9:39:52 PM PST by MtnMan101
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To: CottShop
the left WILL take away your right to own guns

No, they won't. Not while I'm alive.

Now is not the time to get hysterical.

The logistics of disarming America are impossible. I'll not be disarmed.

/johnny

11 posted on 12/15/2012 9:39:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

When did they move Connecticut to Australia? And why didn’t these buffoons “agree on gun laws” after the 91 were murdered up in Norway. This is bull****! Hypocrite commies. Get a life morons!


12 posted on 12/15/2012 9:42:04 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Aren’t the statistics that 80 million Americans are currently armed, with over 300 million guns? I believe that 80 million number will grow in the upcoming weeks as well. I’ve never owned a gun in my life, and I plan on getting one in anticipation of the gun grab.


13 posted on 12/15/2012 9:43:52 PM PST by HawkHogan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Fifteen times more likely to be shot dead in the US than Australia”

I didn’t know we were that much better shots than the diggers.
Not to brag, but I was NRA sharpshooter qualified at age 13.


14 posted on 12/15/2012 9:46:38 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives. "A long train of abuses and usurpations.")
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To: CottShop

My rights are not theirs to take.

My servants are not my masters.

My rights are mine to defend.

I do not give a rat’s ass what laws they pass or don’t pass.


15 posted on 12/15/2012 9:47:10 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: HawkHogan
I don't know. I don't care. Government isn't all powerful and all seeing. I'll not lay down arms. No quarter.

Welcome to Free Republic.

/johnny

16 posted on 12/15/2012 9:49:40 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I have always tried to have some sort of respect for the Aussies...interesting lot that they are...

However, don’t even think about bringing Aussie values into America or Aussie politics. Their opinions belong down under and not in our country.

There...that was a nice comment on my part...but, don’t push your luck foreigners.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 9:50:01 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: chris37
Preach it!

/johnny

18 posted on 12/15/2012 9:54:39 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

dear Australia:

Mine your own freaking business


19 posted on 12/15/2012 9:54:59 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

And if this were 1942 it would be a pushover for a Jap invasion.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 9:54:59 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SAVE THE SUMATRAN RAT MONKEY!)
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To: chris37

Yours is the best post I have read on this subject. Ever! Strong work.


21 posted on 12/15/2012 10:00:30 PM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I’m thinking the Nipponese must have been Creationists: They bombed Darwin in ‘42.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 10:04:47 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives. "A long train of abuses and usurpations.")
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To: Sarah Barracuda

[[I can see it happening and I can also see Republicans in Congress going right along with it.]]

Yup- me too-


23 posted on 12/15/2012 10:05:24 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: HawkHogan

The NRA was quoting about 80 million gun owners in the early ‘90s. After Clinton’s Gun Salesman of the Year stint and 0bama eclipsing his sales record by an order of magnitude as well as population growth it’s not unreasonable to say that there must be about 110 million gun owners in the U.S. holding somewhere north of 400 million arms.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 10:08:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Amen, johnny.

God Bless America, land that I love.

/salute


26 posted on 12/15/2012 10:15:31 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: TigersEye

Our goal should be to double that. That should be the consequences of waging this war against us. Our goal should be 2-3 modern firearms for every man, woman, and child in America. I’m buying a new assault rifle for Christmas for myself and everyone else is getting NRA memberships. Ho Ho Ho


27 posted on 12/15/2012 10:17:09 PM PST by RC one (Akin/Mourdock-2016)
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To: chris37

No offense, but while what you say is all well and good, but the fact is that the left IS takign away yours and our rights- trampling on yours and our constitutional rights, passing unconstitutional laws, (Hell, the supreme court even gave the left permission to pass uncosntitutional laws with John ‘traitor’ Roverts givign his assinien UNCONSTITUTIONAL reasons why he allowed the president to prevail in an UNCONSTITUTIONAL issue-) on and on it goes- little by little, almost imperceivably, one right after another is taken away, and I’ve not seen anyone taking a stand agaisnt it yet-


28 posted on 12/15/2012 10:17:51 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: 43north

Thank you, sir.

As a vessel for these rights given by God, rights that no other foreign countryman on this earth has been blessed with, I believe that it is my duty to defend them with everything that I have, including my life.

Freedom is the name of the hill upon which I will fight. Let my conniving enemies meet me there if they have the guts.


29 posted on 12/15/2012 10:20:57 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
Hand salute and a song that might be appropriate.

I didn't do what I did, give up what I gave up, lose what I lost, to have some punks tell me I can't own a chunk of steel.

/johnny

30 posted on 12/15/2012 10:22:00 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: CottShop

None taken.

When the enemy takes my life, then he shall have taken my rights, and not until then.


31 posted on 12/15/2012 10:23:12 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: RC one

A worthy goal indeed! ;-)


32 posted on 12/15/2012 10:25:52 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: CottShop
They can only take what you give.

Pass laws, get court opinions, whatever.

If you hold your rights. And don't give, they can't take them.

They can kill you, but they probably won't eat you.

Best to man up and not let it ever go that far.

/johnny

33 posted on 12/15/2012 10:26:28 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All

They’ll rethink those gun laws when more dingos eat their babbies! No kidding....feral animals breed like crazy in Australia...when enough of their sheep and children are attacked, they will rethink their gun laws


34 posted on 12/15/2012 10:37:34 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That was beautiful. Listening to that song brought tears to my eyes then down my face.

I thought it was the voice of angels, but then I realized that it is the voice of America. We must speak to those who think America turns on their whims with such a voice, and they will be powerless against it.

Our rights belong to We, the people. They were given to us by our Creator, God. They cannot be taken from us. We can only give them away.

I intend to give my rights back to God when I go Home, and I will thank Him for entrusting me with those rights. To anyone who thinks they will take them from me, I am going to give Hell.


35 posted on 12/15/2012 10:44:22 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

the problem is that in the begiinning- all the peopel tryign ot hold onto their guns after the government makes guns illegal, will be single incidents, much like ruby ridge, or the koresh compund- - whiel htose were valient efforts to stand up agaisnt a tyranical government, they weren’t organized enough or didn’t have enough peopel stadnign with trhem to protect themselves adequately- I don’t forsee large numbers of folsk banding together to stand up for their rights- Soem will try, and be put down- but in the end, peopel for them sot part will simpyl hand over their guns- I see the left pushign this really hard- especially after the george zimmerman case too- and now this recent tragedy- exploiting people’s fears, , andl ike Sarah Barracuda said, I see the gop falling inline instep with the left on this-

We already see them caving left and right to the demands of the left- and I’ve said it right along, if dear leader got in for another 4 years we were goign to see unholy hell unleashed o nthsi coutnry- Hell, even the catholic church- whom dear leader repeatedly attacked durign hte first 4 years- supported dear leader i nthe end- apparently they love having hteir religious, and their constitutional freedoms stripped from them-

the evil one is gettign a foothold, one small step at a time- and I see thsi coutnry goign hte way of europe- who I imagien all thought “No way the government is goign to take THAT away from me-” Sure enough, the govertnment did, and little by little ensalved the whoel of europe much the way hitler did- only more subtly and over a logner period-

Dear leader immediately began tryign to have neighbor spy on neighbor and report any ‘suspicious activity’ through the govetrnment website hwne he first took office- 20 years ago even hte mere suggestion by as sittign president woudl have been met with furious outrage- but not any longer- suire, soem of us squaked about it, but it did no good- the mass majority of peopel simpyl do not care any longer- as logn as the governemt ‘gives them free stuff’-

This ocuntry is in a bad place, and I don’t think that there’s enough true patriotism to bring it back from the sewer the left has dragged us into.

Fox news shoudl be screamign about how dear leader cut the budget for school protection, and blamign hte president, and they shiould be doing htis day and night until the left rues the day they even usggested more guin control- but even fox news- our only real ‘hope’ these days, even they are too ‘politically corrwect’ to truly ruffle any feathers-

When I saw what supreme court ‘justice’ John Roberts did- I knew the end was near- When our constitution is so grossly neglected by even our own supreme court- aNd when we have the EU sendign folsk over to monitor our electiosn now- then you know soemthign bad has ghappened to the country-


36 posted on 12/15/2012 10:51:28 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: JRandomFreeper

[[Best to man up and not let it ever go that far.]]

It’s already goen htat far- and has so for a logn time now and not many ‘manned up’ and stood up agaisnt iot either- lots said they would, but not many truly did- those that did were called enemies of the state, and were murdered and noone gave a damn-


37 posted on 12/15/2012 10:53:53 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: CottShop
Looks like you have given in to fear and given up.

What do you suggest?

/johnny

38 posted on 12/15/2012 11:18:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: chris37
To anyone who thinks they will take them from me, I am going to give Hell.

That would be what Texas boys do.

Them folks in Utah can sing, that's for sure.

/johnny

39 posted on 12/15/2012 11:26:24 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: CottShop

I cannot control what other people do. God gave them their rights just as he gave me my rights. What they do with those rights is their decision.

Do you see the single man in this picture? He is the very embodiment of courage and freedom. I only hope that I may be as brave as this man.

If the slithering snakes of America want my rights, then they will have to kill me, because I will never give the snake what God gave to me.

I would rather be off of this Earth than to live with that shame.

40 posted on 12/15/2012 11:27:20 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: BlessingsofLiberty

That was a nice comment, unlike some here, towards the Aussies on this board who support you guys here on FR and American conservatism unequivocally.

One shouldn’t take the opinions of a couple of pollies as being from all of us.

I am amazed how we can go from being brothers to foreigners in one statement. Please all of you grow up a bit and don’t stomp on the hands of those offered in friendship!

Mel


41 posted on 12/15/2012 11:33:49 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: melsec

I think when folks state ‘them over there’ they are referrign to those in Australia who are on the left- not everyoen in general- We know there’s freedom lovign conservatives all over the world- and strong freedom lovign conservatives in Australia too- :)


42 posted on 12/15/2012 11:43:15 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: JRandomFreeper

[[Looks like you have given in to fear and given up.]]

It does? Why? Where did I say that? I’m simpyl stating how I see the country headed- and how I see the4 supreme court headed- and how I see our government headed as they suspend many of our constitutional rights illegally-


43 posted on 12/15/2012 11:46:18 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: chris37
That man was ground to dog meat not long after. And his side didn't win (yet).

I agree with you. I'd rather go like that, defending right, than live with what gets left after freedom is gone.

At least it's over.

/johnny

44 posted on 12/15/2012 11:59:25 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: melsec

Mel,

Please don’t take any harsh words personally.

People in this country are very sad at the murder of our babies, and at the same time the vultures of tyranny feed on their very flesh before their bodies were even gathered.

I’ve never seen anything so disgusting as that.

On top of it all, we have different areas of the world cheering the vultures on.

But we know that in all countries, including America and Australia, that those of us who would be free now face an avalanche of tyranny. In our anger and sadness, some of us including me have said things that we regret.

But we love you and we stand with you. Those men who have the balls to stand for freedom will know freedom, and cowards will know tyranny.

God Bless Australia, ally.


45 posted on 12/16/2012 12:05:14 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: melsec

mel,

I truly love my Aussie friends. They aren’t real proud of some of your politicians or your government’s politics. I have known them for years.

I know one thing. If our American politicians were saying what these Australian leftists are saying, my Aussie pals would be saying a lot worse.

It seems that the Communist Chinese leaders are sending the same message as the Aussie politicians. That should give everyone something to think about.

I tried to be nice in my comments...because of my friends...but, they would support me in my comments. They love Australia as much as I love my country.

I didn’t intend to offend you and if I did, I apologize.


46 posted on 12/16/2012 12:11:16 AM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: JRandomFreeper

yeah, johnny, no doubt this man, who knew freedom even if just for the instant of this photograph in a country of people who do not know it, paid an awful price for it.

I know the tanks did not grind him over, but I suspect that may have been easier than what actually did happen to him.

But one of my favorite movies, a movie that I saw at a time that my political beliefs were forming, Braveheart taught me things that I hold dear to this day. I know it’s just a movie, but sources of freedom are rare these days, and one has to take them where one can get them.

“Every man dies. Not every man really lives.”

While my body and soul walk this earth, they are going to know and embody the freedom that God gave me and that other men who are braver than me fought for. I’ll not dishonor those heroes by giving away that freedom. If those men are the only ones to see my stand, then so be it.

I will stand in front of the avalanche of tyranny, even as a solitary man. And if that avalanche overruns me and kills me, then I lived my life as well as I could live it in an evil place.

But perhaps my Lord will give me His strength to split the avalanche around me and let it fall harmlessly to the side and then stop.

Either way, I am going to find out.


47 posted on 12/16/2012 12:16:36 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Australia will be invaded by China, and the Chinese will stop for nothing, they need expansion territories and they can tame the interior with water projects so a billion or two Chinese can live there.

But with an unarmed Australia there will be minimal resistance, and I mean very minimal, not even the best of all of the Australian military can cope head to head with China.

Now I happen to have some loyalty to OZ, and if I saw invading Chinese I would do whatever I could to create weapons of mass destruction, but of course it would be viewed as being illegal by Oz laws. They have condemned themselves. Its a bloody shame that the real patriots have to be an underground, always fearful of authorities seeking the guns, but also being patriotic to defend the land from invasion.

Oh yeah they are idiotic morons. They will surrender in a heartbeat. And the people of Oz will suffer for it, except for the gun owners underground.


48 posted on 12/16/2012 12:24:52 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: CottShop

Thanks for all your positive replies - it’s what I hoped for when I posted it. I just wanted you guys to know that there are people on this board who would stand shoulder to shoulder with you no matter what. When I post on this board I would not dare blame any single one of you for anything Obama or his minions nor do I use words that would malign the United States of America as I love her dearly. Criticize my country’s poloticians without mercy - fine by me - I will join you but I am as proud of my nation and it’s history as you are of yours and I do not like it’s name maligned by those I value highly.

Blessings

Mel


49 posted on 12/16/2012 12:53:02 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: BlessingsofLiberty; chris37

Thanks guys I reposted on the thread - thank you for your support.

You know guys I get a lump in my throat and a tear in my eye when I hear my national anthem but I will let you into a secret there are those of us scattered around the world who have the same reaction when we hear yours - except for when you are beating us a sport!

Blessings

Mel


50 posted on 12/16/2012 1:13:04 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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