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China's J-15 fighter superior to Russian Su-33
People's Daily Online, China ^ | December 06, 2012

Posted on 12/15/2012 11:10:29 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki

China's J-15 fighter superior to Russian Su-33

(People's Daily Online)

On Nov. 25, 2012, China's carrier-borne J-15 fighter jet has successfully undergone a series of sailing and technological tests on the Liaoning, China's first aircraft carrier, marking a great success of the carrier-borne fighter jet independently developed by China and a major breakthrough in the development of aircraft carrier technology.

The J-15 is equipped with two high-power engines and a brand-new system of high lift device, takeoff and landing device and arrester hook. Its wing can be folded up to both maintain the excellent combat capability and meet the special requirement of landing on the Liaoning. Featuring large combat radius, excellent maneuvering performance and high bombs carrying capacity, the J-15 has a fighting capability of full sea and full airspace.

Foreign media especially Russian media guessed that the J-15 is a copy of Russian Su-33 carrier-borne fighter jet because its appearance is similar to Su-33. In this regard, spokesman of the Ministry of National Defense of China Geng Yansheng said on Nov. 29, "The world military affairs have an objective law of development. Many weapons have the same design principle and some command and protection methods are also similar. Therefore, it at least is non-professional to conclude that China copied the aircraft carrier technology of other countries only by simply comparison.”

First, J-15 has an avionics more advanced than Su-33. Su-33 is equipped with old-fashioned ARINC429 discrete avionics system of one-way low-speed data bus, while J-15 adopts joint avionics system of bidirectional data bus.

TS-100, the Su-33's fire-control computer, has a computing speed of only 170,000 times per second, while the J-15's fire-control computer has an estimated computing speed of over several million times per second.

The J-15 owns a much more advanced radar system than the Su-33. Due to its backward avionics system, the Su-33 can only serve as interceptors, and is incapable of air-to-ground precision strike.

The J-15 adopts improved materials and production techniques, and thus has greater strength and lighter weight.

Finally, the J-15 is powered by home-made Taihang (WS-10) turbofan engine, which is more powerful than the Su-33's engine. Overall, the J-15 is superior to the Su-33, and is comparable to world-class carrier-based aircraft such as the United States' F-18 and France's Rafale.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; badengrish; china; j15; liaoning; russia; su33

1 posted on 12/15/2012 11:10:39 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I think they got the carrier launch system hooked up backwards.

S/off


2 posted on 12/15/2012 11:19:24 PM PST by alpo (What would Selco do?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Well, a copy built 30 years after original, with new materials and technology available has to be better than the original.


3 posted on 12/15/2012 11:21:30 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Looks like the child of an F-16 mated with an F-18.


4 posted on 12/15/2012 11:41:22 PM PST by Nowhere Man (I miss you Whitey! (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012). Take care, pretty girl!)
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To: cunning_fish

The Russians themselves replaced their Su-33s with the Mig 29Ks so I don’t see what deal is :)

I realize the J15 and Mig29K are different classes, but considering they are both carrier craft, it would be interesting to compare them.


5 posted on 12/15/2012 11:43:33 PM PST by coldphoenix
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To: coldphoenix

Well, Su-33 is a naval version of Su-27 which is a rough equivalent for F-15, Mig-29k is a carrier version of a Fulcrum which is in a class of F-16.

J15 is a reverse engeneered version (at least it’s airframe) of T10 - a Su-33 propotype Chicoms bought from Ukraine along with the carrier.

Russians replaced Su-33 with Migs in order to keep Mig company afloat in the first place. It also make sense to have a smaller aircraft for carrier operations. Su-33 on a carrier looks just like a cow on a small inflatable.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 12:05:19 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: coldphoenix
chiCOMs, has long memories and maybe
better stuff, but still no experience.
..and then look @ the source (PLA).

7 posted on 12/16/2012 12:10:58 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today; who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Pretty plane except for that spray-can yellow.

Bet that puppy has a huge radar CS.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 12:27:56 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I would dare to say Chinese steel or aluminum, well hell any of their metals are so far below industry standards they are not much better than bamboo.

Never in my whole life have I ever seen superior Chines steel.

And like most Chines products it will work for only a short time, designed to fail premature to ensure customer purchasing in a repetitive fashion.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 12:40:32 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: cunning_fish
Well, a copy built 30 years after original, with new materials and technology available has to be better than the original.

Exactly! I am quite surprised at the Chinese for trying to obfuscate what can be clearly seen. The 'indigenous' J-15 is a direct copy of the SU-33. It just happens to be that the J-15, built a couple of decades later, has newer avionics than the original.

BTW - I would still rather purchase an updated SU-33 than the J-15, even with the Chinese claims.

10 posted on 12/16/2012 5:20:08 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Eye of Unk
Building a race car and need 4130 for the roll cage? The smart suppliers are giving you the option of German, US, or Chinese lots. I am with you, I don't trust their crap as far as I can throw it, I want to see the "Certs" and IMHO the Chinese Certs are probably worthless...
11 posted on 12/16/2012 5:26:31 AM PST by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: Eye of Unk
if i had to guess, i'd say the steel used in their military equipment is higher quality than what they export simply because they won't get SHOT for exporting inferior steel or anything else where it is a distinct possibility if they sell same to their military...
12 posted on 12/16/2012 11:24:25 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: F15Eagle
Pretty plane except for that spray-can yellow.

Here's a photo of the pilot:


13 posted on 12/18/2012 3:08:57 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

That’s a nicer yellow than the plane! lol


14 posted on 12/18/2012 11:22:10 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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