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White House won’t accept new tax offer from Republican leader; source
Reuters ^ | Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:31am EST | Thomas Ferraro and Steve Holland

Posted on 12/16/2012 12:35:40 AM PST by Olog-hai

President Barack Obama is not ready to accept a new offer from the Republican leader of the U.S. House of Representatives to raise taxes on top earners in exchange for major cuts in entitlement programs, a source said late on Saturday.

The shape and details of Boehner’s offer were uncertain Saturday night, as was the exact reason the president was prepared to reject it. …

Tax rates and entitlements are the two most difficult issues in the so-far unproductive negotiations to avert the “fiscal cliff” of steep tax hikes and spending cuts set for the new year unless Congress and the president reach a deal to avoid them. …

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: boehner; fiscalabyss; fiscalcliff; obama; rino

1 posted on 12/16/2012 12:35:48 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

...watching our country get stuffed down the crapper by elitist snobs who hate us.

Where does it end?


2 posted on 12/16/2012 12:45:01 AM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Olog-hai

Fine, no deal then. Although Boehner lacks the gutsmto take thatnstand.


3 posted on 12/16/2012 12:53:33 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (We have crossed the line from independence & liberty to dependency & servitude. We are doomed)
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To: Olog-hai
The shape and details of Boehner’s offer were uncertain Saturday night, as was the exact reason the president was prepared to reject it.

So Obama is not sure why he wants to reject it - he just wants to reject it.

Will Boehner get with the program that the President has no intention of "working with him" on this and stop watering things down? Probably not.

And the media narrative will still be that the Republicans won't work with Obama while he and Reid are trying to bend over backwards to "get something done."

Just walk away...the result is going to be the same no matter what.

4 posted on 12/16/2012 1:06:11 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Olog-hai.
President Barack Obama... Boehner's offer...
Not "Speaker Boehner" or "Congressman Boehner" -- IOW, #### al-Reuters.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 1:29:13 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Tzimisce
Who knows where this ends? Speaker Bonehead has already played his hand. Zer0, along with the fifth column media, are going to get him to cave even further. I can see him agreeing to tax hikes on “rich” folks that make $75k or more. Then, Bonehead and the GOP-e will tell us it was the best deal they could get.
6 posted on 12/16/2012 1:41:43 AM PST by Buddy Sorrell
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To: Buddy Sorrell

Actually the WH has called for 250 not 75 but what does a good deal look like at this time?


7 posted on 12/16/2012 1:48:55 AM PST by chopperjc
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To: Olog-hai

The cliff is part of the solution. Defense takes the biggest hit (entitlements are protected) but it’s a start and America’s military won’t go to last place with the cuts. The key is wake America out of its stupor and the cliff is a good start because other than a few sectors the markets will shrug it off. People will start to realize how useless our Keynesian government is. The Senate Dems on the other hand will come crawling begging for a deal because their campaigns depend on Washington bloat. At that point they will agree to some entitlement reform and Obama will be forced to sign it.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 3:07:39 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Olog-hai

When will the Republicans come to an understanding that this President doesn’t want to deal? How stupid (yes, that’s the correct word) can they be? The best thing they can do is throw an offer out there and vote present. Let the Democrats take the heat.

Egads, I’m so sick of this.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 4:09:09 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: Republican Wildcat

Obama wants to go over the cliff, t was his intention all along.

We have allowed too much power to the Executive for too long. It’s time to rein in the power of the Presidency.


10 posted on 12/16/2012 4:27:49 AM PST by Venturer
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To: palmer
Defense takes the biggest hit (entitlements are protected) but it’s a start

Great. Just great.

In other news, the patient refuses to allow doctors to stop his arterial bleeding, but agrees to have himself shot in the foot. It's a start.

11 posted on 12/16/2012 4:35:08 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Olog-hai

A British Paper has already posted that the Mother is an End Of the world type,stock Piling food and Guns


12 posted on 12/16/2012 4:37:07 AM PST by ballplayer
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To: Venturer

Congress has plenty of power. They can simply refuse to increase the borrowing limit in a few weeks. Then spending will really be cut. Boenhner should have made this known to Obama by now, but he won’t do it. He must go.


13 posted on 12/16/2012 4:46:23 AM PST by Phillipian (Post Tenebras Lux)
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To: Olog-hai

At this point, Boehner should say in a memo to Obama:

FROM: Speaker of the House of Representives
TO: POTUS

SUBJ: Fiscal and Taxing Negotiations

1. What you have on the table is our last and best offer. As of this moment, the House Republicans are ready to affirm this through a vote, and it will pass, and I`m giving you until 3 p.m. today to accept this offer. if 3 p.m. comes and goes without acceptance of this offer... IN TOTALITY from you, I`m releasing the House to spend Christmas holidays with their families. After the tragic events in Connecticut on Friday, members of Congress want to hug their children, too.

2. Yes, you won your re-election... as did we. So, enough back-and-forth, and enough games. I`m going public in five minutes with this offer, and will continue to be public with it. As I stressed earlier, this is our last and best offer.


14 posted on 12/16/2012 4:46:41 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Olog-hai

A real millionaires tax offer, isnt this what chucky the dirtbag wanted


15 posted on 12/16/2012 6:12:39 AM PST by italianquaker
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To: Olog-hai

Bump


16 posted on 12/16/2012 6:12:50 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Olog-hai

This movie has played over and over again and the ending is the same.

The deal will include tax increases on the rich in exchange for entitlement cuts which will be slated to occur years if not decades in the future.

Why anyone thinks it will be different this time stymies me.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 6:16:06 AM PST by randita
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To: Olog-hai
White House won't accept.....

Then why should the other side compromise?

18 posted on 12/16/2012 6:20:13 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: windsorknot

It’s all smoke and mirrors anyway. The pols in leadership position aren’t really serious about really fixing the problem.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 6:29:44 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Olog-hai

Boner is bought and paid for.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 6:33:14 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Olog-hai

Obama got a new jolt of arrogance whenn he got a chance to change the narative and play the part of the concerned, weeping president over the Newtown school shootings.

This is similar to the timing of hurricane Sandy that hit the northeast.

He always manages to stumble on to some crisis that gives him renewed energy and that he can twist to his advantage.


21 posted on 12/16/2012 6:46:39 AM PST by Iron Munro (I MISS AMERICA !)
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To: ScottinVA
"At this point, Boehner should say in a memo to Obama:"

That's not the way GOP politics works. It was known many decades ago that the implementation of 'socialism' in a 'democracy' is a one-way ratchet. The GOP has not learned this lesson even now!

22 posted on 12/16/2012 7:04:05 AM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Olog-hai

If we are going to cut back on spending, we need to bring back US jobs.

Now.


23 posted on 12/16/2012 7:15:49 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Republican Wildcat
You got to reject it before you can know what's in it...

I don crashed my pick up truck over the cliff obama self.

24 posted on 12/16/2012 7:30:04 AM PST by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

I sure would like to see the R’s get as mean and evil as they’re portrayed. Block everything. Give NOTHING in negotiations. The R’s opening offer should have been zero spending above the level of last years tax collection. Period.


25 posted on 12/16/2012 7:38:17 AM PST by Big Giant Head
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To: Olog-hai

note to Boehner: LET IT CRASH


26 posted on 12/16/2012 8:04:05 AM PST by bestintxas (Anyone who votes for Obama after these 4 miserable years needs to take a mandatory citizenship test.)
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To: Olog-hai

John Boehnor is the single most pathetic political hack I have ever witnessed with the speaker’s gavel in his hand. Nazi Pelosi was better. She knows how to wield power. Boehner wants power but does not know how to use it.

What if John Boehner had just come out weeks ago and told the press that maybe Obama won the election but the GOP got over 53 million votes and they have a responsibility as the loyal opposition to fight for their political ideals. Then go back to his office and start to work on a budget, put it up for a vote in the House, pass it and go home for Christmas. Let Barry stew in his own juices for awhile.

My guess is that if Boehner had played hardball and disengaged Obama would be breaking his door down right about now to make a deal. But that did not happen and we are all going to have to endure the abject humiliation that comes with being a Republican in 2012.

Boehner has got to go. The Conservatives must unseat him and elect a new Speaker. I have already contacted my US Rep and told him to vote no or abstain when Boehner comes up for re-election. I urge everyone else to do the same.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 9:07:42 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Olog-hai

Obama is not ready to accept any offer,if no agreement is made he knows he can get more money by taxing the middle class.
Obama needs to change his mane to Clifford.


28 posted on 12/16/2012 9:41:41 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Vaduz
I think that you miss the larger strategy of obama's refusal to cut a deal.

This is not about the economy or any "fiscal cliff". This is all about the dems taking back the House in 2014 and giving obama an un-restricted carte blanche in his last two years.

He has already won blame-game. He will rejoice in private and lament in public the hardship that the GOP House will cause by refusing to support his solutions. He will ask the American voter to remove the obstructionist House GOP members and give him a team he can work with. And, the idiot populace will give him what he wants.

Once he has the Senate, the SCOTUS and the House he will drastically and permanently change this country, which has always been his intention. When he is done we will think of his first two years as "the good old days."

That, my FRiend, is the game.

29 posted on 12/16/2012 9:51:16 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Olog-hai

Who is supposed to be President? BO is always waiting for Boehner to come up with the answer.

I’m reminded of 2008 during the September Surprise. McCain suspended his campaign and rushed into the mess. BO said (an exact quote) “Call me if you need me,” and continued to campaign.


30 posted on 12/16/2012 10:03:07 AM PST by Malesherbes (- Sauve qui peut)
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To: Olog-hai

let me ask a question
when was the last time you had a pleasant interaction with a liberal?
i refuse to talk to them, just stop talking to them.
what the puppies in the house should do is
pass a bill extending the bush tax rates and increasing the medicare age limit and go home and enjoy christmas and let b.o. figure out what to do from there.
Talking to those #$%^% is just insane.


31 posted on 12/16/2012 12:30:43 PM PST by genghis
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Should be no more complicated than Boehner saying (over and over, the masses are a bit slow), “We’ve made a generous offer to settle this thing. Your move.”

Then sit and wait.


32 posted on 12/16/2012 12:50:06 PM PST by daler
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To: Buddy Sorrell

It will end like it always does: with Obama getting pretty much everything he wants and Republicans expecting praise for promises that never materialize.


33 posted on 12/16/2012 1:15:10 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: ScottinVA

Full Steam Ahead On Obama’s Theft Of IRA’s And 401k’s

December 11, 2012 By Suzanne Eovaldi
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Angry Obama SC Full steam ahead on Obamas theft of IRA’s and 401k’s

What is going to happen to our 401 (k) accounts and IRA’s after January 1? Will the retirement accounts for which many Americans have sacrificed so much to accumulate be rolled over into federally issued and guaranteed bonds in order to prop up notoriously under-funded, union pension funds across the country? Getting an answer will prove to be daunting, especially as media attention seems focused on little but the impending “fiscal cliff.”

Listening to a poignant, impromptu speech given by Linda from St. Lucie County during the Allen West recount makes clear just how hard she worked to raise three daughters on her own. It’s a story that certainly puts a tear in the eye and an ounce of worry into the heart of many listeners. ”I worked hard to save that money. We went without,” she said, getting more emotional with each word. ”Now, what’s going to happen to 401 (k’s)?” she asked.

My daughter is wondering the same thing as she and her husband will have four boys in college next year. And she sacrificed to save for her retirement when she was a bank employee. She had a gun put to her head during two separate robberies!

Linda and my daughter both want to know what the Obama administration intends to do after January 1. Is the national media so distracted by fiscal cliff hype that news concerning the potential federal theft of countless trillions from American citizens will not be forthcoming prior to January 1st?

A source in Montana said the feds are hoping to turn 401 (k) and social security funds into federally administered bonds, thereby dumping even more privately-held dollars into the D.C. money pit. Another source thinks that such a fund may be used to bail out Obama’s union pets, namely the failed pension plans of big labor throughout the United States.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/full-steam-ahead-on-obamas-theft-of-iras-and-401ks/


34 posted on 12/16/2012 2:22:10 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: wtc911

I don’t think the dems can get the house because the idiot populace has found out what suckers they are and the free candy isn’t coming.
Your right about the SCOTUS they can’t be trusted with Obama in office.


35 posted on 12/17/2012 7:32:53 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Vaduz
I am not saying that obama will get control of the House, I am saying that it is his strategy to go over the "cliff" and continue to use the MSM to blame the GOP House for the crash landing.

I don't know if the strategy will work. I could argue it either way and there are many unknowns that could pop up before 11/14 that could be game-changers.

I do though strongly believe that they believe they could pull it off and are committed to giving it a try.

If we see a deal before January then I'm wrong. If obama continues to reject every offer from Boehner then it would give great credence to my theory.

36 posted on 12/17/2012 10:32:39 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Vaduz
I am not saying that obama will get control of the House, I am saying that it is his strategy to go over the "cliff" and continue to use the MSM to blame the GOP House for the crash landing.

I don't know if the strategy will work. I could argue it either way and there are many unknowns that could pop up before 11/14 that could be game-changers.

I do though strongly believe that they believe they could pull it off and are committed to giving it a try.

If we see a deal before January then I'm wrong. If obama continues to reject every offer from Boehner then it would give great credence to my theory.

37 posted on 12/17/2012 10:34:44 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911

Obama will continue to reject every offer from Boehner he wants to increase taxes on all incomes not just the rich.
You may be right however I think he will make many of his sheep mad when they understand he’s screwing tnemtoo.


38 posted on 12/18/2012 9:24:51 AM PST by Vaduz
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