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U.S., rebels urge gloomy Moscow to help oust Assad
Reuters ^ | Thursday, December 13, 2012 | Oliver Holmes

Posted on 12/16/2012 3:06:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv

"We want to commend the Russian government for finally waking up to the reality and acknowledging that the regime's days are numbered," the U.S. State Department spokeswoman said after a senior Kremlin envoy conceded publicly on Thursday that Assad's opponents could win the 20-month-old civil war.

"The question now is, will the Russian government join those of us in the international community who are working with the opposition to try to have a smooth democratic transition?" U.S. spokeswoman Victoria Nuland added in Washington...

...rebel political leader Mouaz al-Khatib said he believed Russia, ally and arms supplier to the Assad dynasty since Soviet times, was looking for ways out of its support for a lost cause... Russia has blocked U.N. efforts to squeeze Assad, who has also had strong support from his long-time sponsor Iran...

International envoy Lakhdar Brahimi, who has met Russian and U.S. officials twice in the past week, is seeking a solution based on an agreement reached in Geneva in June that called for the creation of a transitional government in Syria.

But Russia has repeated warnings that recognition of al-Khatib's coalition, notably by the United States, is undermining diplomacy, and rejected U.S. contentions that the Geneva agreement sent a clear message that Assad should step down...

The opposition chief said he was willing to listen to proposals for Assad to escape with his life... and outlined three scenarios for a change of power:

Al-Khatib ruled out the Russian proposal suggesting Assad hand over power to a transitional government while remaining president, saying it was "disgraceful for a slaughtered nation to accept to have a killer and criminal at its head".

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: israel; russia; syria; waronterror

"(Additional reporting by Steve Gutterman in Moscow and Andrew Quinn in Washington; Writing by Alastair Macdonald; Editing by Michael Roddy)"
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1 posted on 12/16/2012 3:06:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Russia and Its Syrian Debacle: When the Enemy of My Friend Becomes My Friend
Time | Friday, December 14, 2012 | Simon Shuster
Posted on Sun Dec 16 04:58:02 2012 by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2969221/posts

Syria opposition forms body to preserve state institutions
Reuters | Saturday, December 15, 2012 | Suleiman Al-Khalidi; Editing by Tom Pfeiffer
Posted on Sun Dec 16 05:13:40 2012 by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2969223/posts


2 posted on 12/16/2012 3:10:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
The Russians should encourage the Alawites to fall back to their home territory and centered on the Russian naval base. The present situation will lead to the mass slaughter of the Alawites and the Christians by the US backed Islamists.
3 posted on 12/16/2012 3:23:59 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Truth29

The Russians should have STFU and STF out of it, and for that matter, should just in general drop dead. They are the primary enemy of the US, and the source of the weapons and training used by generations of jihadists.

Furthermore, had Assad been allowed to fall, instead of propped up like the corpse he is, the unarmed protesters would have been in charge over a year ago. Instead, there’s been an upward spiral of violence and flow of weapons from jihadist states Iran and Saudi Arabia. That too is the fault of Russia.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 3:31:07 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Here’s something for all the pro-Russky/Assad/Iran dingleberries:

Iran: U.S. Massacre Just Like Killings in Syria, Iraq
By Gil Ronen
First Publish: 12/15/2012, 7:20 PM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/163171

Tehran draws parallel between Newtown tragedy and child victims of armed actions in Iraq and Syria, where it is heavily involved itself.

Iran expressed condemnation Saturday of the Connecticut school massacre but added that there is “no difference” between it and the killing of children in various hotspots in the Middle East, including Syria and Iraq — where Iran itself is involved in killing tens of thousands of civilians, including thousands of children.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 3:31:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

You are 100% correct in that the Iran has been behind and involved in Syria and Lebanon and Hamas for that matter for as long as the Mullahs have been in power. You are also correct that the regime has been backed by Soviet and now Russian money and arms.

If what is coming down the road is any better I will be quite surprised and in my opinion, for what it’s worth, it will probably end up being a lot worse. What is coming is just another sort of Socialism - in some ways a worse one as it is religiously enforcable under Sharia.

Forces are still struggling in Egypt to bring about a true Democratic process - under Obama’s mate Morsi that is not going to happen. Radical Islamists are already in charge in Lybia. I don’t foresee a change for the better in Syria.

So not wanting to see a change in government in Syria (at this time) is cautious not Pro Russia etc.

Mel


6 posted on 12/16/2012 3:59:19 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: melsec

Syria is a doomed country. They will have Sharia law and return to the 10th century.


7 posted on 12/16/2012 4:21:50 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Yeah I think so - trouble is they are armed like the 20th century and a threat to Israel.

Mel


8 posted on 12/16/2012 4:25:13 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: SunkenCiv

>>>Furthermore, had Assad been allowed to fall, instead of propped up like the corpse he is, the unarmed protesters would have been in charge over a year ago.<<<

Delusion. What unarmed protesters in charge in that part of the world? You must be kidding.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 4:46:15 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: SunkenCiv

>>>Furthermore, had Assad been allowed to fall, instead of propped up like the corpse he is, the unarmed protesters would have been in charge over a year ago.<<<

Delusion. What unarmed protesters in charge in that part of the world? You must be kidding.


10 posted on 12/16/2012 4:46:34 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: SunkenCiv

au contraire mon frere Russia needs to help him stabilize against al quaida


11 posted on 12/16/2012 4:54:46 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Russia is the only pro-christian nation left in the world?


12 posted on 12/16/2012 4:58:07 AM PST by x_plus_one
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To: x_plus_one

so it seems, thanks to the Russian Orthodox church


13 posted on 12/16/2012 5:08:36 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: SunkenCiv
"We want to commend the Russian government for finally waking up to the reality and acknowledging that the regime's days are numbered," the U.S. State Department spokeswoman said"

It's not clear to me who woke up last - Obama or Russia. From my vantage, it's a tie.

14 posted on 12/16/2012 5:15:43 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: SunkenCiv

It would seem that the primary enemy is the US government as they are the ones arming and aiding the Muslim extremists. Lately, Russia has been doing a better job of protecting me than the US State department has. It’s not just Syria,there’s Libya, Egypt and even Bosnia. Our government has consistently sided with the Al Qeada types over the Christian tolerant groups.


15 posted on 12/16/2012 5:28:27 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: SunkenCiv

“...smooth democratic transition...” ?
Who are they kidding ?


16 posted on 12/16/2012 5:42:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: melsec

It ius becoing so the the whole Middle east is a threat to israel and a threat to any Christian living there.

Obama has been very vsuccessful in turning the Middle East into a Sharia law, muslim olgarchy.
Soon crazed Mullahs will be running the whole thing and encouraging Muslims to kill off all infidels.

That in itself is bad enough, but they are spreading their BS around the world and progresslively,stealthily invading Christian countries that will be conquered at a later date.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 6:24:57 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Indeed! One thing we can do is tell those who are ignorant as to what is really going on. This is the least we can do to stand by Israel and our Christian brothers and sisters and maybe get people to wise up for the sake of our own countries.

Mel


18 posted on 12/16/2012 7:34:25 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: x_plus_one

“Russia is the only pro-christian nation left in the world?”

I don’t think the Russian government gives a rat’s butt about Christianity. It is more likely that the Russians are simply supporting a long-term client state and trying to protect an important Mediterranean military base. If Assad is ousted, the Russian ability to project power will be curtailed. It is only coincidence that your interests line up. Are you willing to consider that you may be projecting your pro-Syrian Christian view with Russian motivations?


19 posted on 12/16/2012 11:26:20 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: SunkenCiv; TigersEye; Marine_Uncle; onyx; justa-hairyape; MestaMachine; Grampa Dave; GeronL

Thanks for the ping....passing it on.


20 posted on 12/17/2012 12:49:13 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: cunning_fish
What unarmed protesters in charge in that part of the world? You must be kidding.

The only thing that the Middle East understands is power. Unless you were prepared to handle Syria just like Iraq, you could only make the situation worse. And that is exactly what is happening. Here is some history of that part of the world.

Chemical warfare in the Middle East: A brief history

21 posted on 12/17/2012 1:07:48 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: SunkenCiv; Ernest_at_the_Beach

I could not have stated the true conditions better then what you wrote in post #4.


22 posted on 12/17/2012 1:38:58 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (I'm going John Galt.... But. Honor must be earned.)
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To: Owl558
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok0JN_mEJQs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3d_yxJhmjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrzAX4SJbKY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80fTsaplY5E

Here is some old news.

23 posted on 12/18/2012 1:43:30 AM PST by x_plus_one
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