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New Rule: All Teachers Should Be Required to Carry Guns
Townhall.com ^ | December 16, 2012 | Doug Giles

Posted on 12/16/2012 5:17:02 AM PST by Kaslin

My heart is sick. I feel so sorry for the children who were murdered, as well as the parents and loved ones of the slain kids and teachers at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. All of us here in the U.S.—who still have a soul—pray for those whose lives were just senselessly shattered.

But imagine if at least one teacher (with a concealed weapons permit) had their .40-caliber Glock with them, locked and loaded, when this weed Adam Lanza began his murderous mayhem Friday on the Sandy Hook Elementary School campus. What would have happened differently?

Would idiot boy have been able to slay 20 children and 6 teachers? I doubt it. But then again … who knows? However, I’m guessing that this terminal turd might not have dealt out as much death (if any) if the good guy with the gun drew down on him and double-tapped the center mass of this jackass with a couple of jacketed hollow points.

Unfortunately, there was no concealed weapon in the possession of a teacher to stop this satanic weed from taking root because guns are disallowed on campus. Correct me if I’m wrong, but haven’t the majority of the mass murders within the U.S. in the last 20 to 30 years been in Gun Free Zones?

Gun Free Zones turn the people who inhabit such places into sitting ducks for insane whack jobs with death wishes. I know, some schools have campus cops and security systems; however, that line of defense brings zero comfort to most parents if serious bullet flying $#*& starts hitting the fan in one of their kids’ classes.

Look, even the best Rambo-like police force equipped to the teeth, driving Vipers and descending en masse on a school in Black Hawk helicopters could not have responded fast enough to kill this Lanza piece of crap. But a fast-thinking, well-trained teacher could have.

I hate to seem pessimistic, but given this current “poor me” entitlement culture, I don’t see an atmospheric break in this violent weather pattern. I guarantee that even as I type and our nation weeps, there is, somewhere in the United States of Political Correctness, some disenfranchised dipstick making plans on how he can trump Adam Lanza’s slaughter. Chilling.

Call me simple. Call me a redneck. Call me whatever the hell you wanna call me—but until we allow credible, licensed, proven and protective teachers to carry a weapon on campus, we will see this murderous madness occur again and again and again.

Matter of fact, if I owned and operated Doug Giles Elementary School I would mandate that all my teachers be weapons trained and carry a live pistol openly at all times. I bet that 100% of the parents who lost their children today wish that their child’s teacher had a gun in order to defend their now deceased child.

We can’t afford to rely on security systems or chunky security guards with golf carts, pepper spray, whistles and plastic badges to safeguard against these armed death dealers from hell.

The reality is that this stuff goes down when you least expect it, and as long as schools don’t have some armed teachers and faculty who have been properly trained and equipped to kill the post-pubescent perps, the more we will continue to carry innocent children out of their classrooms in black body bags. Call me weird, but in every school shooting there should be only one casualty—namely the gun-wielding culprit who commenced the chaos … and not your Crayon-carrying kids or their teachers.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; US: Connecticut
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1 posted on 12/16/2012 5:17:11 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I think they do it in Israel.


2 posted on 12/16/2012 5:19:40 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Kaslin

As a FRper who lives in CT, this horrible shooting incident has been a nightmare for this state.


3 posted on 12/16/2012 5:20:59 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Kaslin

As a rule, teachers aren’t the most emotionally stable members of our society. How about we stop warehousing children where they are easy targets.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 5:21:44 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Kaslin

The sad reality is that, I am watching this nation decend into madness.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 5:24:01 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Kaslin

I wouldn’t require it but I would like to see the choice available.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 5:24:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

Teacher protecting her children in Israel.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/18096_455867214470550_890034234_n.jpg


7 posted on 12/16/2012 5:25:51 AM PST by woofer2425 (Obama inhales immensely!)
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To: Kaslin

8 posted on 12/16/2012 5:27:29 AM PST by expat1000
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To: Kaslin

I’d agree, but teachers are a notoriously liberal lot.

Heck, quotes from the teachers in the school reek of political correctness - DURING the incident.

Kids crying that they wanted Christmas were told “Don’t worry, you’ll have Christmas & Hannukah”. Others were told to pray, but “if you don’t believe in prayer think happy thoughts”

For PC to be so hard-wired makes me wonder if they could be trusted to make the right decision with a gun.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 5:31:56 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Kaslin

The problem really isn’t the target (but I would agree that people, including teachers, with a permit to carry should be able to carry in a school, mall, church, or any other place). The problem is the shooter. In the 1970’s the ACLU got some leftist judges to decide that it is unconstitutional for a crazy person to be locked up before he hurts people. Once they were locked up in the mental hospital, they could be treated and that treatment monitored by professionals.

Now, the nation is crawling with crazies who get pills from well-meaning doctors who can’t do anything else for them, and they are trusted to stay on their meds and tell someone if their condition worsens.

Trusting crazy people to take their meds and report if they feel crazier is a recipe for disaster...disasters like 20 children dead.


10 posted on 12/16/2012 5:35:38 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Kaslin

Being a teacher can be aggravating to say the least. This guy should send his kid to such a school (where all the teachers are packing). Utterly ridiculous.


11 posted on 12/16/2012 5:35:52 AM PST by Catphish
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To: Kaslin
The problem is not guns...the problem are the sick and violent movies and video games children and adults are exposed to. These mediums train its watchers in how to kill and desensitizes them to the horrible act.

We need to shut down the production of these films and video games.

12 posted on 12/16/2012 5:36:00 AM PST by woofer2425 (Obama inhales immensely!)
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To: woofer2425
This was writtten 4 years ago:

Israel: More Guns In School by Larry Pratt

Israel's government officials have once again demonstrated a better grip on reality than have those in the United States when it comes to self-defense.

In the mid-seventies, a terrorist attacked an Israeli school bus, murdering over 30 children.

There ensued a national debate, with some Israelis unable to shake their socialist baggage brought from Europe. Namely, they assumed that the government would protect them.

A majority of Israelis, however, found a compelling reason for putting guns in schools -- terrorists would get guns whether Jews were armed or not. As a result, schools in border areas, and school buses, were manned with gun-toting teachers or others assigned to be at the ready.

As the terror attacks have escalated in Israel, a number of attempts have been thwarted when armed Israeli citizens shot and killed the terrorists. Seeking to have more of a good thing, the Israeli government announced plans to issue 40,000 more gun licenses to civilians according to the London Times.

Even better, the government is giving away guns to teachers.

Elinor Shor was described by the paper as neither a settler -- those in the most vulnerable areas of the country -- nor a gun fanatic. Just a primary school teacher. Yet, there she was, trying out her free handgun at the Krav (Battle) gun shop and firing range.

When will it occur to American officials and teachers that declaring schools to be Gun Free Zones is the same as sending an engraved invitation to an Al Qaeda terrorist(s) to come on over and shoot up some schools?

After September 11, can we really believe that criminals, let alone terrorists, will check out the law and say, "Awe shucks, I can't take my gun onto the school campus." Perhaps they will opt for a bomb instead.

What a tragedy if a suicide bomber walks on to a school ground, and teachers see what is about to happen, but nobody can do what Israelis have done under similar circumstances in Israel -- pull their piece and pop the 'perp.'

If we refuse to come to grips with the reality of our world, the truth of our danger may well come exploding into view.

I know we have a tendency to want to ignore history (after all, we hardly study it). But can we not at least learn from what is going on before our very eyes?

Hopefully enough of us will rise up and contact our legislators that we can get gun free school zones taken off the books. And sooner rather than later.

http://gunowners.org/op0218.htm

13 posted on 12/16/2012 5:36:14 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: freedomfiter2
As a rule, teachers aren’t the most emotionally stable members of our society. How about we stop warehousing children where they are easy targets.

I taught school for many years. Taught strictly with very high standards. Other teachers I knew had the same standards that I have. A big part of the problem is when I had a dispute with a supervisor over how to teach, almost no conservatives would come to my defense and still don't.

If I could even get ten Freepers to show up in this area to to go school board meetings where liberal admin. people are and point out how stupid they were for treating me, the impact would be tremendous. I would be able to tell them exactly what to point out to show the rank hypocrisy of the system. However, all I hear from this forum is.... silence.

Almost no conservatives have the will to defend their own. Only godless, immoral liberals have the will to hit the streets in support of their filthy leaders. The problem IS a nation without values and it's beginning to affect everyone.

14 posted on 12/16/2012 5:37:48 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Kaslin

My wife is a college teacher. Having said that, several times in the past, she has gone to school to meet with a distraught student and has gone armed. Several times she has left a door ajar and I, also armed, have accompanied her - once even sitting in the classroom filled with students. Yeah, we know it is illegal but...


15 posted on 12/16/2012 5:37:52 AM PST by TexasRedeye
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To: Kaslin
A good friend of mine was a vice-principal in a school in Warren, MI. For a number of years he and several male teachers carried concealed weapons until a state law banned them.

He said that his uniformed liaison cop knew he and several others carried and said she felt the safety of the school was vulnerable because she was the only armed person in all 6 school buildings......

16 posted on 12/16/2012 5:38:31 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: TexasRedeye

Yep, most certainly understand. You betcha...


17 posted on 12/16/2012 5:39:27 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: P.O.E.
For PC to be so hard-wired makes me wonder if they could be trusted to make the right decision with a gun.

Ain't it the truth.

In Michigan the unions are threatening the governor's family on one hand...

Helpful union surrogate vows to chase Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder’s daughter to soccer game

and on the other hand, asking him to oppose allowing some to carry weapons in schools.

Michigan teachers union president urges governor to veto gun bill after Connecticut school shooting
18 posted on 12/16/2012 5:40:52 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

I think that you are right. I would be as scared of some teachers with guns as I would a nut case perp, but if, say, 40% of teachers chose to be armed, I bet these killers would leave our children alone at school.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 5:40:52 AM PST by rightly_dividing (Left behind; 4 Americans in Libya)
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To: P.O.E.

Do you have any links to the quotes of the teachers, or are you just making them up?


20 posted on 12/16/2012 5:45:53 AM PST by Kaslin ( One Big Ass Mistake America (Make that Two))
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To: Catphish

>>Being a teacher can be aggravating to say the least.

It is especially aggravating in the US where parents who never disciplined their kids send those kids off to be educated and then expect teachers to make these little animals into honor students. If the teacher complains about the child’s behavior, the parents blame the problem on the teacher. If a teacher disciplines a child, they get fired.

Without morals and two parent (one male and one female) households, a teacher’s job is impossible anyway. Since most children in the US don’t have a father “in the picture”, all teachers should be male and preferably veterans. Maybe we could restore some decency to the culture that way. And they could carry a gun concealed without anyone even noticing.


21 posted on 12/16/2012 5:47:33 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Almost no conservatives have the will to defend their own.

Tell me about it. I was swinging the club to get a tea partier elected to the UofM board of regents. He got about half as many votes as Mitt Romney and that position and virtually all other state level education positions went to democrats, most of them former union officials. Conservatives simply couldn't be bothered with all those "meaningless" races.

Conservatives fight the convenient battles while liberals fight every battle. Every battle we don't fight is one more win we give to them.
22 posted on 12/16/2012 5:48:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin
Um, no. Most educators would not carry even if so ordered, anyway. They are dense that way.

The solution to this and many other problems is to get rid of government schools. Schools have ruined far more children than gunmen.

23 posted on 12/16/2012 5:51:20 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Kaslin
There are a few questions still unanswered, I read The shooter had an altercation days earlier with four teachers , Three he killed and one was not on campus.How did this young adult get on campus.All doors are locked from outside in.They admit he was not buzzed in from the office.Early reports he broke in through a window were later retracted, as the police were the ones who broke the window to gain access. Somewhere they had a major break down in security and need to focus on fixing those instead of banning guns.
24 posted on 12/16/2012 5:51:49 AM PST by drumr337
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To: Hot Tabasco
A good friend of mine was a vice-principal in a school in Warren, MI. For a number of years he and several male teachers carried concealed weapons until a state law banned them.

That's a good point. Guns weren't banned in Michigan schools until the 90s I believe. I know they weren't banned when I was in school in the 80s because we students were allowed to bring them for hunting after school.

Things were pretty different then. When one of our classmates little sister's accidentally shot and killed herself (at home), we didn't have an assembly to discuss it or offer counseling. We accepted it as a tragedy, learned from it and moved on.
25 posted on 12/16/2012 5:58:19 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: freedomfiter2

I agree. Parents should be free to pull their children out of public school and place them in the environment of their own choosing. For some, that might mean homeschooling, while for others it might mean a smaller private/parochial school.

Let individual parents decide the structure and level of security that they want and are willing to pay for. To say that all schools need to have x or that no schools may permit y is nothing but a bunch of top down micromanagement.


26 posted on 12/16/2012 6:02:34 AM PST by paint_your_wagon
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To: Kaslin

Prisons have iron bar gates that cannot be broken or shot out by some lunatic. Visitors are buzzed in and buzzed out from a secure waiting room where anybodys reason is checked out for being a visitor. Something more radical has to be done for safety when so many more people are mentally unstable.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 6:03:54 AM PST by YukonGreen
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To: drumr337

I read that too, that he had an altercation with four teachers, but I read that it was the day before


28 posted on 12/16/2012 6:06:05 AM PST by Kaslin ( One Big Ass Mistake America (Make that Two))
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To: Kaslin

Requiring all teachers to be armed is not only the common sense solution to the shooter problem, but it will purge from the system most of the teachers with the liberal mindset.


29 posted on 12/16/2012 6:12:44 AM PST by iontheball
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To: woofer2425

“The problem is not guns...the problem are the sick and violent movies and video games children and adults are exposed to. These mediums train its watchers in how to kill and desensitizes them to the horrible act.”

I disagree. Violent crime has fallen consistently through the decades that these types of films and games have been available. Personally, I feel the films tend to be a worse influence in general, other than a few games like Grand Theft Auto. Even those are far from the graphic images (and attitudes) portrayed in film. Natural Born Killers? Really? Video games, on the other hand, are most likely cathartic, allowing the player to release violent feelings without harming anyone.

At any rate, I think the biggest problem in society is the combination of the breakdown of families (divorce and single-parent households), combined with a lack of moral training and ethical upbringing. Second to that is the feeling of hopelessness - and that feeling is running high among younger people right now with the bad economy and dim prospects for many. The combination of lack of morals and ethics, with depression and hopelessness is a recipe for disaster, as we’re seeing.

As a last thought, if you want to learn about real depravity, evil and cruelty, just read the news. No movies or video games needed, and it all happened in real life. The way these shootings are covered ensures we’ll get more of them from copycats. “Wow, that guy had his picture on the front page of ALL the papers!”.


30 posted on 12/16/2012 6:14:37 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: Kaslin
Most current teachers would be very poor candidates to serve as armed guardians. Replacing all current teachers with suitable persons to serve as armed guardians is impossible.

However.

Every school in the country should now be guarded by armed volunteers. These would be people who, when the next Adam Lanza showed up, would have no hesitation to drop him in his tracks.

Asking the current teacher workforce to perform this duty is unrealistic (met a public school teacher lately?).

31 posted on 12/16/2012 6:15:05 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble
Every school in the country should now be guarded by armed volunteers.

Unfortunately, unions don't want volunteers. Volunteers don't pay union dues.
32 posted on 12/16/2012 6:18:39 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

Better rule:

School staff are directly responsible for the safety of students & staff. Therefore, failure to adequately provide for this safety will be grounds for charges of negligent homicide in the event of a preventable tragedy. Staff may either arm themselves, hire armed guards, or both, but they will be held criminally liable for inadequate security resulting in death or injuries during school hours. This liability extends from the moment the school staff takes charge of a child until the child is safely discharged to a parent or guardian; meaning on the buses & field trips, too.

In the event of a lack of school funds, school security will always take spending preference over ALL OTHER school expenses. As the staff benefits directly from this security, pay cuts to staff are justified to help pay the costs of enhanced security.


The government spends billions on security keeping themselves safe. They can damn sure spend some of that money protecting the most precious people in this country, & especially so since children are required by LAW to be in school.


33 posted on 12/16/2012 6:22:33 AM PST by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: Jim Noble

Locally, high schools have restricted entry. Entry is monitored by an armed Deputy sheriff. I can’t say how difficult it is for non students/faculty to gain entry in the course of a regular school day but........ an armed bad guy was shot by the deputy at the entry and did not succeed in entering and shooting the place up.


34 posted on 12/16/2012 6:26:15 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: cripplecreek
The only thing I could find on when Michigan banned firearms from schools is this paragraph from a 2nd Amendment website:

Recently a bill was introduced in Michigan to repeal the pistol free zones that were part of the Concealed Pistol Act that was passed in 2000 and became effective in 2001.

35 posted on 12/16/2012 6:27:38 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: cripplecreek; Hot Tabasco

The criminal empowerment zones were created when CPL laws were changed from may issue to shall issue statewide. In general, the changes were good but the CEZs were a tough pill to swallow, especially if you were in one of the few counties that were already shall issue (Macomb, Huron - Clinton and Monroe were lenient). Most counties just gave out “Hunting and Target” carry permits.


36 posted on 12/16/2012 6:33:36 AM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: Kaslin

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2968949/posts?page=75#75

I linked them in a previous post - they still work, as of now.


37 posted on 12/16/2012 6:52:25 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Kaslin

Remember when liberals screamed about arming pilots? The liberals had images of shootouts at 30,000 feet and all sorts of disasters.

What has happened? Nothing.

Remember when liberals screamed about concealed carry in XX state? They told us our streets would become the wild west (the wild west was only violent in liberal Hollywood scripts). They told us blood would be everywhere.

What has happened? Nothing.

Remember when liberals screamed about Castle Doctrine in XX state? Remember how they screamed about girlscouts being shot on porches by insane gun-owners?

What has happened? Nothing.

It is time we expand armed pilots, teachers, citizens and stop giving any consideration to what liberals think.


38 posted on 12/16/2012 7:01:02 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Darren McCarty

The sad thing is that many of the rights we’re trying to get are rights we had 20 years ago. Most were stripped in knee jerk reactions to Columbine.

In my little hometown of Hanover we used to walk right down Main street carrying shotguns and rifles. We’d even carry them into the grocery store without anyone batting an eye.


39 posted on 12/16/2012 7:03:02 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

The only problem with such a policy is that about half of public school teachers are also SSRI-drugged up zombies, just like the perpetrator; and are thus permanently unreliable purveyors of tools such as firearms or reason.


40 posted on 12/16/2012 7:03:51 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: Kaslin

Not ALL teachers. Get real. Some teachers can not or will not know how to carry/use a gun properly, and putting a gun in their custody will be a very grave mistake.

An armed police officer in each school sounds like a good idea. Hopefully his duty day would be the most boring day he ever imagined. But his presence would be likely to keep the mass murderer away. Expensive? Let’s not talk money when it comes to keeping the kids safe.


41 posted on 12/16/2012 7:05:48 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Kaslin
...somewhere in the United States of Political Correctness, some disenfranchised dipstick making plans on how he can trump Adam Lanza’s slaughter.

Now there's a thought to make me glad we're on Christmas break.

42 posted on 12/16/2012 7:13:34 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: TexasRedeye

I teach and work on a Land Grant University campus. Granted, I have a CCW but I keep a 9 mm handy in the office (under lock and key in my desk).

MFO


43 posted on 12/16/2012 7:19:22 AM PST by Man from Oz
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To: iontheball
Requiring all teachers to be armed is not only the common sense solution to the shooter problem, but it will purge from the system most of the teachers with the liberal mindset.

That's actually a very good point I haven't seen anyone bring up before.

44 posted on 12/16/2012 7:25:41 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Great nations are born stoic and die epicurean. -Will Durant)
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To: YukonGreen
Prisons have iron bar gates that cannot be broken or shot out by some lunatic. Visitors are buzzed in and buzzed out from a secure waiting room where anybodys reason is checked out for being a visitor.

... and weapons and drugs still are smuggled into prisons. When society has gone morally soft on the inside, no amount of physical hardening on the outside will save it.

45 posted on 12/16/2012 7:27:13 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: cripplecreek
Unfortunately, unions don't want volunteers. Volunteers don't pay union dues.

Oh, that's not true. I work for LAUSD, in a downtown school, in the belly of the liberal beast, and any parent who volunteers to come help us out, we fall all over them, practically drooling gratitude. We have several parent volunteers here every day and when there's a field trip, we literally go begging. We bribe parents with food and coffee. Anything to get them to come in and just be an adult around the school showing the kids that they are not in a grown-up-free zone.

46 posted on 12/16/2012 7:31:06 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: FatherofFive

Bump.


47 posted on 12/16/2012 7:31:40 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: A_perfect_lady
Oh, that's not true.

Bull. Unions have sued to prevent volunteers from helping out in many cities.
48 posted on 12/16/2012 7:37:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek

Well, not here in Los Angeles.


49 posted on 12/16/2012 7:48:50 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: P.O.E.
For PC to be so hard-wired makes me wonder if they could be trusted to make the right decision with a gun.

"PC" will be instantaneously forgotten when a teacher is confronted by a deranged individual hell-bent on taking her/his life or that of any of his/her students. Fear of dying or being hurt, takes over, and the defensive mechanism and adrenalin throws all of that "PC" crap out the windows fairly quick.
50 posted on 12/16/2012 8:56:20 AM PST by adorno (Y)
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