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Armed task force to patrol streets (Paragould, Arkansas)
Paragould Daily Press ^ | December 15, 2012 | Ryan Saylor

Posted on 12/16/2012 6:25:54 AM PST by tje

In response to a recent increase in crime, Paragould Mayor Mike Gaskill and Police Chief Todd Stovall offered residents at a town hall meeting Thursday night at West View Baptist Church what could be considered an extreme solution — armed officers patrolling the streets on foot.

Stovall told the group of almost 40 residents that beginning in 2013, the department would deploy a new street crimes unit to high crime areas on foot to take back the streets.

"[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

Stovall said while some people may be offended by the actions of his department, they should not be.

"We're going to do it to everybody," he said. "Criminals don't like being talked to."

(Excerpt) Read more at paragoulddailypress.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: arkansas; donutwatch; papersplease; paragould; paragouldarkansas; policestate
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Not good. I wouldn't want to see this become the norm.
1 posted on 12/16/2012 6:26:02 AM PST by tje
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To: tje

: Das Papieren, Bitte!


2 posted on 12/16/2012 6:29:10 AM PST by Einherjar ( Asking only workman's wages I come looking for a job But I get no offers...)
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To: tje
[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

Just a little conditioning for the masses to accept the coming police state.

And it won't end in these "bad areas" it will be expanded into ALL areas. For our "safety" of course.

3 posted on 12/16/2012 6:29:28 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: tje; All

Armed patrols will just move the criminals to other parts of town, or on to other towns.

An armed populace is the only real answer to growing crime problems. Nothing stops a criminal more than a bullet to the brain from an armed citizen defending themselves and their property


4 posted on 12/16/2012 6:31:06 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: tje

“Your papers.”


5 posted on 12/16/2012 6:31:21 AM PST by OKSooner
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To: tje
"We're going to do it to everybody," he said.

All in the name equality... I wonder if there is anything the American people won't accept?

6 posted on 12/16/2012 6:36:02 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: tje

Interesting. Paragould is my home town. Its slogan is “The Friendly City.” This program does not seem so friendly. Mike Gaskill was one year ahead of me at Paragould High School.


7 posted on 12/16/2012 6:36:28 AM PST by TheCPA (Author of the forthcoming book Tax Savings Prescriptions)
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To: tje

It’s none of your fugging business why I am walking, and if you want my ID, arrest me, and we will see who wins the law suit.

It won’t be America long , but so far it is still a free country.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 6:40:55 AM PST by Venturer
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To: TheCPA

How big is Paragould? Is crime really that rampant?


9 posted on 12/16/2012 6:42:29 AM PST by tje
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To: TheCPA
Interesting. Paragould is my home town.

I googled to see what might warrant such an extreme police response and found nothing remarkable about this modest-sized town of about 25k people. What is going on? Can you provide some background?

10 posted on 12/16/2012 6:42:49 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: tje
"We're going to do it to everybody,"

No you won't, you'll harass normal citizens, those you know you can control.

The thugs will walk on by because because in the end, the guys dressed like this become bullies.

11 posted on 12/16/2012 6:48:04 AM PST by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: TheCPA

I am from there as well. Still work there, but I commute. And I also know mike gaskill. Worked for him in high school back when he was a grocery store manager. Is this necessary? On the east side of town...maybe. I’d rather see this than for paragould to become blytheville.


12 posted on 12/16/2012 6:50:41 AM PST by VOR78
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To: Kakaze
The correct way to do this is by posse. Armed citizens from that area should form neighborhood patrols. They know the people and the town. Jack booted thugs are NEVER the answer. The first person stopped by the storm troopers should sue for civil rights violations and demand a jury of citizens.
13 posted on 12/16/2012 6:54:53 AM PST by BillM (.)
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To: Einherjar

Jetzt beantworten Sie die Frage! Wir haben Weisen, Sie die Frage beantworten zu lassen.


14 posted on 12/16/2012 6:56:20 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (It is impossible to have a good faith negotiations with terrorists or any Muslim.)
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To: VOR78

I grew up on the East side of Paragould. I was back there in October for a visit. I did not see anything out of the ordinary. I always liked Mike Gaskill. He used to manage a grocery store, and my late father sold merchandise to grocery stores. Mike was always nice to my father.


15 posted on 12/16/2012 6:57:21 AM PST by TheCPA (Author of the forthcoming book Tax Savings Prescriptions)
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To: tje

What’s wrong with getting cops back out on the streets patrolling again like they used to? That way they get to know who belongs on the street on their beat and who doesn’t.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 6:59:08 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: Flick Lives

Huge drug problem and uptick lately in violent home invasion. We’ve had a recent influx of thugs it seems. The east side/lake street area is basically a slum for the most part and is getting exponentially worse with each passing year.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 6:59:51 AM PST by VOR78
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To: Flick Lives

I have not lived there in years. I still have one uncle and some cousins who live there. I was back there in October for a brief visit. I did not see anything out of the ordinary.


18 posted on 12/16/2012 7:01:15 AM PST by TheCPA (Author of the forthcoming book Tax Savings Prescriptions)
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To: tje
How big is Paragould? Is crime really that rampant?

About 26,000.

I don't know specifically about their crime rate, but many smaller towns (under 100k) have been infiltrated with gangs, many hispanic, during the last 2 decades. Those communities were good targets for gang infiltration, as the locals didn't see them coming until they were entrenched in those communities.

I grew up near a town of about 1500. For many years, it had one night watchman. Now, the town had grown to nearly 3000 and had about 8 full time police. Things have changed in the last 40 years.
19 posted on 12/16/2012 7:09:24 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: shove_it

What’s wrong with getting cops back out on the streets patrolling again like they used to?
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Not a thing as long as you stick to Bumper Morgan and his ‘trick night stick’.

Dressing cops as Storm Troopers to patrol the streets of a relatively small city seems like a ‘test case’.

Of course we will get the ‘well look at Israel’ crowd.

While back someone had ‘mentioned’ why the US troops aren’t endeared to the locals in war torn countries like back in WWII - VN etc and one reason pointed out that back in WWII the people knew they were being liberated AND the GI’s had ‘treats’ for them.

Today’s Troop is no less friendly BUT they are forced (by necessity, I know) to run around looking like Space Men with layers of gear etc and once the ‘locals’ get wind of the ROE, all bets are off.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 7:10:26 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: shove_it

What’s wrong with getting cops back out on the streets patrolling again like they used to?
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Not a thing as long as you stick to Bumper Morgan and his ‘trick night stick’.
One of his ‘great lines’, while being accosted by a couple of punks, was “See that box over there? Go open it and pick up the phone and tell whoever answers to send an ambulance to this address. YOU are going to need it” or something along that line.

Dressing cops as Storm Troopers to patrol the streets of a relatively small city seems like a ‘test case’.

Of course we will get the ‘well look at Israel’ crowd.

While back someone had ‘mentioned’ why the US troops aren’t endeared to the locals in war torn countries like back in WWII - VN etc and one reason pointed out that back in WWII the people knew they were being liberated AND the GI’s had ‘treats’ for them.

Today’s Troop is no less friendly BUT they are forced (by necessity, I know) to run around looking like Space Men with layers of gear etc and once the ‘locals’ get wind of the ROE, all bets are off.


21 posted on 12/16/2012 7:16:03 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: shove_it
What’s wrong with getting cops back out on the streets patrolling again like they used to?

Nothing wrong with cops walking the beat on face value...

"[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said. "If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

Of course that is not what they are doing...

There used to be this thing called the 4th and 5th amendment...

Liberals killed them...

22 posted on 12/16/2012 7:17:43 AM PST by Popman (Gun control will not really control guns, but it will give the illusion of controlling people)
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To: SeminoleCounty
An armed populace is the only real answer to growing crime problems. Nothing stops a criminal more than a bullet to the brain from an armed citizen defending themselves and their property

Worth repeating.

23 posted on 12/16/2012 7:21:41 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: tje; Travis McGee

“It’s for your own safety, citizen, now face the wall and spread em’.”


24 posted on 12/16/2012 7:22:34 AM PST by TADSLOS (No need to watch the movie "Idiocracy". We're living it.)
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To: tje

Municipal curfew laws in this land are older than the nation itself. They can generally be struck down or overturned with legal challenge as to its constitutionality, but that depends on whether the townsfolk are for or against it enough to either file a challenge, or simply fire the mayor at the next election.


25 posted on 12/16/2012 7:27:27 AM PST by Sirius Lee (RE SP - Republicans, from Mitt Romney ..to Karl Rove... are said to be concerned she will win.")
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To: xrmusn; Popman

Times have changed and so have police uniforms. People know that the cops are up against some real bad actors and need more protection than in the old days. If this is done right, the cops will get to know the people who live on their beat, win their confidence and get feedback on the criminals in the neighborhood. There are mainly law abiding citizens who live in slum areas who would like to have the criminals removed from their streets. It was done successfully on the streets of Baghdad, why not also in Paragould?


26 posted on 12/16/2012 7:34:54 AM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: Venturer

Oh, when they come around to get whatever guns you might have I doubt you’ll say much of anything.

Free country? After what you’ve seen the last four years? Really??


27 posted on 12/16/2012 7:49:32 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: shove_it
Times have changed and so have police uniforms. People know that the cops are up against some real bad actors and need more protection than in the old days.

I certainly agree...

"If you're out walking, we're going to stop you, ask why you're out walking, check for your ID."

Here is my problem...

Innocent until proven guilty is still a concept in this land...Any law abiding citizen should be able to walk down the street unmolested without being presumed guilty ..

The cops know who the bad "actors" are...break down their doors, arrest their asses and clean up the streets...

Much easier and safer to harass granny toting her groceries home...

28 posted on 12/16/2012 7:52:44 AM PST by Popman (Gun control will not really control guns, but it will give the illusion of controlling people)
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To: shove_it
Times have changed and so have police uniforms.

Thanks for that reality check. Still walking a beat, just looks paramilitary since that's the world we live in.

Seems extreme, but that's reality as we've created it. Life imitating art?

29 posted on 12/16/2012 8:02:20 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: tje

Why not just put ordinary cops back to walking the beat! Why the psudo-military display!


30 posted on 12/16/2012 8:13:02 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SAVE THE SUMATRAN RAT MONKEY!)
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To: shove_it

who live on their beat, win their confidence
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Yes, that is a great goal and should work.

First, the citizens have to work with the police in getting these criminals off the streets BUT why would one cooperate with the Police when the bad guy gets booked, is back on the street before the Police have all their reports filled out and terrorizing the neighborhood BEFORE the ‘local Policeman’ gets back on his beat.

I, for one, do not see the need for a beat cop or one that is in everyday contact with the public, being dressed in para military garb, with rifles slung over their shoulders.

If that makes one comfortable or feel ‘safe’ one is fooling oneself.

Two recent ‘related’ events...”Cops in NYC surround single (suspected) gunman, open fire, wounded several bystanders”.

22 year old CIVILIAN in OR has the drop on shooter and doesn’t shoot because he knew others were in his potential line of fire.

When the shooter ‘noticed’ the ARMED CIVILIAN, the crisis came to a halt with the ‘next shot’ taking himself out.

Now who showed greater restraint and common sense?

And the 22 yo was correct, you don’t wildly open fire just because you have a weapon. If the situation is right you shoot - NOW how would he have acted if the shooter was just shooting everyone in sight? More than likely he would have taken him out BUT we will never know those kind of answers till confronted.

I carry and I carry where I am not ‘supposed’ to, but whether it be ‘false security’ or not I feel ‘safe’ and in my 73+ years have never been mugged, held up, attemped car jack etc despite the fact that my ‘work’ has me in some of the seedier parts of towns and cities, at all hours of the day or night, an attempt on occasion, but never the full act.

I don’t ‘push’ the issue, but I don’t back down and, thankfully, have never deemed it necessary to open fire, and saw fit to draw only on a couple of occasions but the ‘punks’ usually turn tail if you are able to somewhat defend yourself.


31 posted on 12/16/2012 8:14:00 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: tje
"[Police are] going to be in SWAT gear and have AR-15s around their neck," Stovall said.

The ferals will counter with IEDs.

32 posted on 12/16/2012 8:15:31 AM PST by Mike Darancette (I don't understand why the Boomers are so passive.)
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To: tje

Aside from the SWAT gear and AR 15, this sounds just like the TPF* of the 60s-70s in NYC.

* TPF - Tactical Patrol Force


33 posted on 12/16/2012 8:35:56 AM PST by Roccus
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To: shove_it

Somebody wearing body armor and combat boots (and maybe a helmet), with an assault rifle around his neck, is a soldier. Sorry, but I remember cops wearing white or blue shirts and carrying revolvers.

And if that “soldier” earns a paycheck from a government entity, that makes him a “government soldier” by most definitions.

In other words ... a Redcoat.


34 posted on 12/16/2012 8:38:53 AM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. No exceptions.)
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To: VOR78

“Huge drug problem and uptick lately in violent home invasion. We’ve had a recent influx of thugs it seems. The east side/lake street area is basically a slum for the most part and is getting exponentially worse with each passing year.”

This question may be considered impolite and inappropriate, if so, the moderators can remove it.

That said, I understand that Arkansas has something of a “black belt” (as do other states in the deep south). Levon Helm mentioned this in his book, “This Wheel’s On Fire”.

Does Paragould lie within it?


35 posted on 12/16/2012 8:48:57 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: tje

This type of governmental response is probably due to “Diversity!”


36 posted on 12/16/2012 8:53:04 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: shove_it

“What’s wrong with getting cops back out on the streets patrolling again like they used to? That way they get to know who belongs on the street on their beat and who doesn’t.”

Because the cops today ain’t your Granddaddies cops. The cops today are paramilitary occupation forces that are getting boatloads of Federal funding for arms and equipment. They seem to have a disdainful attitude towards not just the creeps and malefactors in our society but towards everyone.


37 posted on 12/16/2012 8:59:03 AM PST by dljordan (Voltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
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To: tje
I don't like it at all.

Those of you who have cruised Alaska may have noticed your ship being escorted both into and out of port by high speed USCG patrol boats.

If you looked closely enough you would see young men manning .30 cal machine guns on the bow. This is supposedly to deter terrorist acts taking place in our sleepy communities. But rather more importantly it has served as a major inconvenience for those of us who make our living on the water and In my opinion serves absolutely no purpose other than moving/conditioning the masses towards a police state.

Almost every summer I placed a call to our local Coast Guard base complaining about the young jackboots.

38 posted on 12/16/2012 9:12:49 AM PST by gettinolder (Pursue the enemy relentlessly to the limit of every man's endurance.)
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To: Road Glide

No, the city is overwhelmingly white. Probably 97-98%, maybe even higher. The largest minority I suspect is actually hispanic.


39 posted on 12/16/2012 9:14:01 AM PST by VOR78
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To: Road Glide
Paragould is located in northeast Arkansas, approximately 88 miles northwest of Memphis, Tennessee. The community is located at the intersection of U.S. Routes 412 and 49.

More specific to your question - The racial makeup of the city was 97.87% White, 0.04% Black or African American, 0.42% Native American, 0.22% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 0.56% from other races, and 0.86% from two or more races. 1.33% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

A clue might be found in the fact that Paragould is home to Arkansas State University Paragould, Arkansas Northeastern College, Black River Technical College, and Crowley's Ridge College.
Lots of young folks, and perhaps a growing drug problem?

The crime stats show the area to be...'safer' than 3% of the cities in the US. Yes. http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ar/paragould/crime/

I'd take a pass at visiting there if you are doing a tour of the Deep South - maybe just go to NO and get mugged in the French Quarter - more scenic after all.

40 posted on 12/16/2012 9:23:27 AM PST by ASOC (What are you doing now that Mexico has become OUR Chechnya?)
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To: BillM
Armed citizens from that area should form neighborhood patrols.

I disagree. I have been involved with local police and citizen watch patrols. Very often, things get way out of control too fast among the citizen patrols. People over react to a what they perceive to be "situations."

Armed police presence is a good thing but stopping people at random is not good and goes way over the line. There will be problems.

41 posted on 12/16/2012 9:35:04 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: Popman

“Innocent until proven guilty is still a concept in this land...”

I agree with your overall post 100 per cent, but the term “Innocent Until Proven Guilty” has always irked me.

I don’t mean to nitpick, but the word “Until” makes it sound as though guilt is a foregone conclusion.

I much prefer the words “Innocent UNLESS Proven Guilty.”


42 posted on 12/16/2012 9:42:32 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: ASOC

You mention New Orleans, but ironically, that’s been part of the problem. The refugees from Katrina came here and never left. Almost everyone here acknowledges that its a big contributing factor.

Otherwise, ASU attracts some problems from Little Rock and Memphis (the other colleges are tiny and almost exclusively draw from the locals). That doesn’t help either.


43 posted on 12/16/2012 9:46:41 AM PST by VOR78
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To: tje

Land of the free. -yeah right.


44 posted on 12/16/2012 10:03:04 AM PST by douginthearmy
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To: Einherjar

Is that something like “Pippers, Pliss?”


45 posted on 12/16/2012 10:03:07 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: TheCPA

I was offered a job at the newspaper there years ago. Turned it down.


46 posted on 12/16/2012 11:36:50 AM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: ASOC
Something changed between 2003 and 2005.

Check out the City-data page on Paragould and scroll down to the chart "Crime in Paragould by Year" and note the bottom line "Crime Index" number.

What accounts for such a jump? New Sheriff or Chief in town? Agenda 21?

Other than the change in crime stats and the new paramilitary police force, it looks like a very nice town with a larger than average church going population.

47 posted on 12/17/2012 10:30:11 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: GBA

My high school classmate Jerry Don “JD” Stephenson used to be the Chief of Police in Paragould. He retired a few years ago. This new Chief sounds like a tyrant.


48 posted on 12/17/2012 9:25:32 PM PST by TheCPA (Author of the forthcoming book Tax Savings Prescriptions)
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http://www.infowars.com/armed-swat-teams-to-patrol-streets-in-arkansas-city/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/why-is-an-arkansas-city-deploying-police-with-ar-15s-demand-citizens-show-i-d-on-the-streets/

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/12/17/paragould-to-put-officers-with-assaults-rifles-on-the-streets


49 posted on 12/18/2012 10:01:53 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

“”They may not be doing anything but walking their dog,” he said. “But they’re going to have to prove it.””

—Police Chief Todd Stovall

I suppose the Arkansas freepers on the DOGGIE PING list would be interested in knowing they have a police chief who openly is supporting “papers please”, in their fair state.


50 posted on 12/18/2012 9:56:06 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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