Skip to comments.No rise in mass killings, but their impact is huge
Posted on 12/16/2012 6:55:47 AM PST by marktwain
Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, said that while mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data. He estimates that there were 32 in the 1980s, 42 in the 1990s and 26 in the first decade of the century.
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The psychiatric drugs known to be used by so many of these shooters..could lead one to believe that that agitated states that engendered their actions might bear closer examination.
we as a people are over medicated with 100 million people on some manner of psychiatric drugs.
This jackwagon sure does have a weird definition of “hero”. Heroes are those who have fought, bled and died for freedom and liberty not those who go whining to the politicians demanding that freedom and liberty be taken away from the people because they can’t be trusted with freedom and liberty. Yes, Helen may be a jackwagon but I don’t think “yellow” makes her sad. She’s seems perfectly fine with it.
Rational thought is a foreign concept to them.
So, after making this very interesting statement? No data given. Great writing, Helen.
Big Pharma Is The Major Advocate Of Gun Control
"With no guns in the hands of people then when our drugs screw up their minds they won't be able to do as much harm and our sales won't suffer," explained an Big Pharm spokesman.
Obtained from an Internet source..
At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs
1. Huntsville, Alabama February 5, 2012: [shooter was] taking the antidepressant Zoloft and other drugs for the conditions.
2. Kauhajoki, Finland September 23, 2008: [shooter] was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.
3. Dekalb, Illinois February 14, 2008: [shooter] had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien.
4. Jokela, Finland November 7, 2007: [shooter] had been taking antidepressants
5. Cleveland, Ohio October 10, 2007: [shooter] had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.
6. Red Lake, Minnesota March 2005: [shooter was] on Prozac
7. Greenbush, New York February 2004: [shooter] had been taking medication for depression.
8. Wahluke, Washington April 10, 2001: [no shooting, used rifle to take hostages at school] had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.
9. El Cajon, California March 22, 2001: [the shooter was] on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor
10. Williamsport, Pennsylvania March 7, 2001: [the shooter] was taking the antidepressant Prozac
11. Conyers, Georgia May 20, 1999: [the shooter] was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin
12. Columbine, Colorado April 20, 1999: [the shooters'] medical records remain sealed.
13. Notus, Idaho April 16, 1999: [the shooter] was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.
14. Springfield, Oregon May 21, 1998: [the shooter] had been taking the antidepressant Prozac.
If you set aside garden variety mayhem, we’ve had maybe a half dozen mass killing events in 2012 by people with mental issues. That’s 6 shooters a year. Chicago generally has far more than that during a typical weekend.
Most of the garden variety shooters already have criminal histories. I can go to Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc. and tell a young criminal his chances of being shot or shooting others is pretty damned high, but the 6 or so mental cases generally have no criminal history to predict their actions.
I can think of many ways to reduce overall gun violence (and it ain’t gun control), but I can’t think of any reasonable or effective way to predict and prevent 6 mental cases out of a pool of likely millions from these evil and heinous acts.
I have heard the same thing about child abductions.
The number has not risen over the decades, it’s just that news coverage is so extensive that it seems like it has risen.
Or can we just say one at a time doesn't count?
I hope this changes millions of minds on abortion. NO ONE has a right to kill a living human being.
Some of us are on endocrine supplement medication.
Most of these "physc" docs are just experimenting.
My bro wound up in jail for erratic behavior. He's screwed up for life.
Antidepressants do have many and sometimes severe side effects, including making your original condition worse. However, the underlying theme here as well is all these people were diagnosed and then “treated” for a mental health issue. So it isn’t just “all these people were on medication” so the medication made them kill people, but that all these people had 1 or more problems they or their families considered needed medical attention. I will say there is a concerted effort by many if not most mental health people, to treat and “manage” the patient and shuttle them along. There is not necessarily a goal of cure, just a goal of management which usually means “medicate for symptomatic relief”. And of course, many mentally ill people stop taking their meds when they feel better, or regulate their dosage based on how they feel, rather than taking as prescribed. That will wreak havoc.
A lot of the time the doctors just don’t know. They feel a need to do “something” to help a patient, but may go through several medications to find the “right” one. Sometimes the answer was not necessarily medication in the first place. But there are now a couple of generations of narcissistic little sociopaths out there due to Godless society and not so good parenting..
“Some of us are on endocrine supplement medication.”
What side effects do those meds have?
Are they the same types given for anxiety etc?
“The psychiatric drugs known to be used by so many of these shooters..could lead one to believe that that agitated states that engendered their actions might bear closer examination.”
Yes, this is the ugly common denominator that no one wants to explore.
Apparently these drugs remove the natural disinclination to commit murder and suicide. Pretty much every one of these shooters has been on some sort of anti-depressant. The side effects for these meds even list higher chance of suicide due to loss of inhibition.
Yes, I'd hoped for a little more elaboration after that too.
I'm guessing that at least some of the mass killings of the '20s were caused by anarchist bombings. Probably a few Prohibition-related mob shootings in there, too. (St. Valentine's Day Massacre was in 1929.)
Also we have recently been reminded that the worst school mass murder in US history was committed in 1927, without guns.
Looking at the list of school shootings on Wikipedia, I noticed that in the 80’s a school shooting involved more than one death, and a gun had to be involved. In the 2000’s, though, a single-death gun suicide, a three-death murder suicide by bow and arrow, a stabbing, and some “no casualty” shootings are added in. This inflates the numbers a bit!
That's why its still called "Practicing Medicine".
I personally will never take prescribed drugs unless absolutely required -- I've been lucky so far.. I am in my seventies and my luck continues vis-a-vis prescribed medicines; Obamacare dictates that PELOSI (Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative) is all I get at my age. :)
Until I am banned I will keep posting these facts.. I am shocked to see the MSM employees apparent refusal to mention pharmaceuticals in all these horrors.
I am proud to be labeled an idiot (by only one FReeper so far) for posting my belief that it is certainly possible that given the ruling class New Normal
IMO it could be that the New Normal are using (taking advantage of) these shootings to help them disarm the citizens. Their steadfast refusal to deal with causes and instead focus entirely on getting rid of guns is like they "arrange" the shootings IMO.
Very interesting. But how many millions are taking those drugs now?
In the US, "one abortion at a time" = 3,500 abortions every single day.
Included in that number are at least 4 "late-term" babies who are killed by partial birth abortion, every single day -- in one "clinic" alone in Englewood, NJ.
That particular abortuary admits to performing 1,500 partial birth abortions of 2nd and 3rd trimester infants, every year.
See visualops reply #13. There are some very good points.
IMO by now more attention should have been focused on those very few likely (showing signs) to commit these horrors.
I say again that IMO the ruling class New Normal some of whom I named do not want to fix the problem until all the guns are gone from the hands of the citizens.
If we sent all the nutburgers to Colorado or Washington State we could give them all a lifetime supply of marijuana to smoke up. That way it’ll keep ‘em mellowed out enough not to want to commit any crimes.
According to experts on the subject, The U. S. is not a violent nation compared to others.
No, not at all. The endocrine system is regulatory: from what I know so far, pituitary is responsible for growth, thyroid for metabolism, and parathyroid for feeding the brain. My thyroid is being treated with meds because it’s naturally slow, haven’t had the pituitary checked, and my parathyroid is overactive, requiring surgery to fix the problem.
The 1929 date seems quite suspect, given the chart accompaning this article by the researcher, Grant Duwe: http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/01/opinion-the-rise-and-decline-of-mass-shootings/
The leftists, progressives, and liberals who demand banning and confiscation of weapons in the USA, are silent about, and just voted for more of, the monthly lobbing of missiles from the Palestinian quarters around Israel.
"The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58 people were injured. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (711 years of age) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in U.S. history."
See my post #31
Thanks for the research. I’ve been running around and getting ready for Christmas.
That was one heck of a bomb. I never heard of this massacre. Of course, the MSM would NEVER tell mention it since eeevil guns weren’t used and bombs are already banned.
The numbers of people in the USA on antidepressants will astound you. Medication is prescribed for all sorts of things that are simply part of life that people no longer want to deal with as adults. Life should be relatively easy, we should not be disappointed, or have to settle for less than ideal, we shouldn’t stay married to people who aren’t the perfect spouse, we shouldn’t tan the hide of a misbehaving child, etc etc etc.
I have read more than I cared to and learned more than I wanted to know about drug companies (and doctors) not wanting to reveal that drugs stop working after a while, that many antidepressants you can’t stop taking because they’ve fubared your brain (google antidepressant withdrawal syndrome), and on and on.