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No rise in mass killings, but their impact is huge
waff.com ^ | 15 December, 2012 | HELEN O'NEILL, AP

Posted on 12/16/2012 6:55:47 AM PST by marktwain

Grant Duwe, a criminologist with the Minnesota Department of Corrections who has written a history of mass murders in America, said that while mass shootings rose between the 1960s and the 1990s, they actually dropped in the 2000s. And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data. He estimates that there were 32 in the 1980s, 42 in the 1990s and 26 in the first decade of the century.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; history; masskilling; sandyhook
In spite of the facts, O'Neill turns the article into a screed for gun control, by painting those who push for it as heroes.
1 posted on 12/16/2012 6:55:56 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The psychiatric drugs known to be used by so many of these shooters..could lead one to believe that that agitated states that engendered their actions might bear closer examination.

we as a people are over medicated with 100 million people on some manner of psychiatric drugs.

exhibit one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhO0Pul_FcE&feature=youtu.be


2 posted on 12/16/2012 7:04:21 AM PST by MeshugeMikey
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To: marktwain

This jackwagon sure does have a weird definition of “hero”. Heroes are those who have fought, bled and died for freedom and liberty not those who go whining to the politicians demanding that freedom and liberty be taken away from the people because they can’t be trusted with freedom and liberty. Yes, Helen may be a jackwagon but I don’t think “yellow” makes her sad. She’s seems perfectly fine with it.


3 posted on 12/16/2012 7:05:24 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: marktwain

Rational thought is a foreign concept to them.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 7:08:55 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: marktwain
And mass killings actually reached their peak in 1929, according to his data.

So, after making this very interesting statement? No data given. Great writing, Helen.

5 posted on 12/16/2012 7:09:16 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: marktwain
My headline:

Big Pharma Is The Major Advocate Of Gun Control
"With no guns in the hands of people then when our drugs screw up their minds they won't be able to do as much harm and our sales won't suffer," explained an Big Pharm spokesman.

Obtained from an Internet source..

At least fourteen recent school shootings were committed by those taking or withdrawing from psychiatric drugs

1.  Huntsville, Alabama – February 5, 2012: [shooter was] taking the antidepressant Zoloft and “other drugs for the conditions.”

2. Kauhajoki, Finland – September 23, 2008: [shooter] was taking an SSRI and a benzodiazapine.

3. Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: [shooter] had recently been taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien.

4. Jokela, Finland – November 7, 2007: [shooter] had been taking antidepressants

5. Cleveland, Ohio – October 10, 2007: [shooter] had been placed on the antidepressant Trazodone.

6. Red Lake, Minnesota – March 2005: [shooter was] on Prozac

7. Greenbush, New York – February 2004: [shooter] had been taking “medication for depression”.

8. Wahluke, Washington – April 10, 2001: [no shooting, used rifle to take hostages at school] had been taking the antidepressant Effexor.

9. El Cajon, California – March 22, 2001: [the shooter was] on the antidepressants Celexa and Effexor

10. Williamsport, Pennsylvania – March 7, 2001: [the shooter] was taking the antidepressant Prozac

11. Conyers, Georgia – May 20, 1999: [the shooter] was being treated with the stimulant Ritalin

12. Columbine, Colorado – April 20, 1999: [the shooters'] medical records remain sealed.

13. Notus, Idaho – April 16, 1999: [the shooter] was taking a prescribed SSRI antidepressant and Ritalin.

14. Springfield, Oregon – May 21, 1998: [the shooter] had been taking the antidepressant Prozac.

More..

  1. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania – March 8, 2012: [the shooter was found have had] Nine antidepressants [in his] apartment.
  2. Seal Beach, California – October 12, 2011: [the shooter was taking] Trazodone and the “mood stabilizer” Topamax.
  3. Lakeland, Florida – May 3, 2009: [the shooter] was on Tegretol, a drug prescribed for “bi-polar disorder”.
  4. Granberry Crossing, Alabama – April 26, 2009: [the shooter was on] the antipsychotic drug Geodon.
  5. Middletown, Maryland – April 17, 2009: [the shooter] had been taking the antidepressants Cymbalta and Paxil and the anti-anxiety drugs BuSpar and Xanax.
  6. Concord, California – January 11, 2009: [the shooter was] taking the antidepressant Prozac.
  7. Little Rock, Arkansas – August 14, 2008: [the shooter] was on an anti-depressant.
  8. Dekalb, Illinois – February 14, 2008: [the shooter] was taking Prozac, Xanax and Ambien.
  9. North Meridian, Florida – July 8, 2003: [the shooter was] taking two antidepressants, Zoloft and Celexa.
  10. Wakefield, Massachusetts – December 26, 2000: [the shooter was taking] three antidepressants

6 posted on 12/16/2012 7:26:46 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: marktwain

If you set aside garden variety mayhem, we’ve had maybe a half dozen mass killing events in 2012 by people with mental issues. That’s 6 shooters a year. Chicago generally has far more than that during a typical weekend.

Most of the garden variety shooters already have criminal histories. I can go to Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc. and tell a young criminal his chances of being shot or shooting others is pretty damned high, but the 6 or so mental cases generally have no criminal history to predict their actions.

I can think of many ways to reduce overall gun violence (and it ain’t gun control), but I can’t think of any reasonable or effective way to predict and prevent 6 mental cases out of a pool of likely millions from these evil and heinous acts.


7 posted on 12/16/2012 7:28:27 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: marktwain

I have heard the same thing about child abductions.

The number has not risen over the decades, it’s just that news coverage is so extensive that it seems like it has risen.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 7:30:13 AM PST by CriticalJ (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress.. But then I repeat myself. MT)
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To: marktwain
Is abortion mass killing??

Or can we just say one at a time doesn't count?

I hope this changes millions of minds on abortion. NO ONE has a right to kill a living human being.

9 posted on 12/16/2012 7:31:00 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: MeshugeMikey

Some of us are on endocrine supplement medication.


10 posted on 12/16/2012 7:32:37 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Bump.


11 posted on 12/16/2012 7:35:03 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Thanks...My sister in law flew from NY to California and ORDERED the doctor to take her daughter off meds which were making her "crazy". She found another doctor.

Most of these "physc" docs are just experimenting.

My bro wound up in jail for erratic behavior. He's screwed up for life.

12 posted on 12/16/2012 7:35:15 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Antidepressants do have many and sometimes severe side effects, including making your original condition worse. However, the underlying theme here as well is all these people were diagnosed and then “treated” for a mental health issue. So it isn’t just “all these people were on medication” so the medication made them kill people, but that all these people had 1 or more problems they or their families considered needed medical attention. I will say there is a concerted effort by many if not most mental health people, to treat and “manage” the patient and shuttle them along. There is not necessarily a goal of cure, just a goal of management which usually means “medicate for symptomatic relief”. And of course, many mentally ill people stop taking their meds when they feel better, or regulate their dosage based on how they feel, rather than taking as prescribed. That will wreak havoc.


13 posted on 12/16/2012 7:37:27 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Sacajaweau

A lot of the time the doctors just don’t know. They feel a need to do “something” to help a patient, but may go through several medications to find the “right” one. Sometimes the answer was not necessarily medication in the first place. But there are now a couple of generations of narcissistic little sociopaths out there due to Godless society and not so good parenting..


14 posted on 12/16/2012 7:46:24 AM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: wastedyears

wastedyears wrote:

“Some of us are on endocrine supplement medication.”

What side effects do those meds have?

Are they the same types given for anxiety etc?


15 posted on 12/16/2012 7:51:30 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: MeshugeMikey

“The psychiatric drugs known to be used by so many of these shooters..could lead one to believe that that agitated states that engendered their actions might bear closer examination.”

Yes, this is the ugly common denominator that no one wants to explore.

Apparently these drugs remove the natural disinclination to commit murder and suicide. Pretty much every one of these shooters has been on some sort of anti-depressant. The side effects for these meds even list higher chance of suicide due to loss of inhibition.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 8:08:43 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Right Wing Assault
So, after making this very interesting statement? No data given. Great writing, Helen.

Yes, I'd hoped for a little more elaboration after that too.

I'm guessing that at least some of the mass killings of the '20s were caused by anarchist bombings. Probably a few Prohibition-related mob shootings in there, too. (St. Valentine's Day Massacre was in 1929.)

Also we have recently been reminded that the worst school mass murder in US history was committed in 1927, without guns.

17 posted on 12/16/2012 8:12:17 AM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: marktwain

Looking at the list of school shootings on Wikipedia, I noticed that in the 80’s a school shooting involved more than one death, and a gun had to be involved. In the 2000’s, though, a single-death gun suicide, a three-death murder suicide by bow and arrow, a stabbing, and some “no casualty” shootings are added in. This inflates the numbers a bit!


18 posted on 12/16/2012 8:14:29 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Sacajaweau
Most of these "physc" docs are just experimenting.

That's why its still called "Practicing Medicine".

19 posted on 12/16/2012 8:22:30 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: MeshugeMikey

Absolutely!


20 posted on 12/16/2012 8:24:16 AM PST by apocalypto
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To: visualops
Yes and because there are people affected adversely (though relatively few and even fewer commit these horrors) Big Pharma is required to include "Black Box Warning" or a "Black Label Warning" separate from the normal warnings. Thus forced to admit the problem -- doctors should be held accountable when they prescribe the drugs for patients "and shuttle them along."

I personally will never take prescribed drugs unless absolutely required -- I've been lucky so far.. I am in my seventies and my luck continues vis-a-vis prescribed medicines; Obamacare dictates that PELOSI (Palliative End of Life Optimum Serenity Initiative) is all I get at my age. :)

Until I am banned I will keep posting these facts.. I am shocked to see the MSM employees apparent refusal to mention pharmaceuticals in all these horrors.

I am proud to be labeled an idiot (by only one FReeper so far) for posting my belief that it is certainly possible that given the ruling class New Normal

IMO it could be that the New Normal are using (taking advantage of) these shootings to help them disarm the citizens. Their steadfast refusal to deal with causes and instead focus entirely on getting rid of guns is like they "arrange" the shootings IMO.

21 posted on 12/16/2012 8:26:21 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Very interesting. But how many millions are taking those drugs now?


22 posted on 12/16/2012 8:28:28 AM PST by kabar
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To: Sacajaweau
Is abortion mass killing?? Or can we just say one at a time doesn't count?

Good point.

In the US, "one abortion at a time" = 3,500 abortions every single day.

Included in that number are at least 4 "late-term" babies who are killed by partial birth abortion, every single day -- in one "clinic" alone in Englewood, NJ.

That particular abortuary admits to performing 1,500 partial birth abortions of 2nd and 3rd trimester infants, every year.

23 posted on 12/16/2012 8:31:20 AM PST by shhrubbery! (NIH!)
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To: kabar; visualops
Yes most people are not adversely affected.

See visualops reply #13. There are some very good points.

IMO by now more attention should have been focused on those very few likely (showing signs) to commit these horrors.

I say again that IMO the ruling class New Normal some of whom I named do not want to fix the problem until all the guns are gone from the hands of the citizens.

24 posted on 12/16/2012 8:36:37 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: marktwain
Going Postal, Pre-Pistol
25 posted on 12/16/2012 8:41:50 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio)
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To: visualops

If we sent all the nutburgers to Colorado or Washington State we could give them all a lifetime supply of marijuana to smoke up. That way it’ll keep ‘em mellowed out enough not to want to commit any crimes.


26 posted on 12/16/2012 9:21:32 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marktwain

According to experts on the subject, The U. S. is not a violent nation compared to others.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 9:29:19 AM PST by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: WildHighlander57

No, not at all. The endocrine system is regulatory: from what I know so far, pituitary is responsible for growth, thyroid for metabolism, and parathyroid for feeding the brain. My thyroid is being treated with meds because it’s naturally slow, haven’t had the pituitary checked, and my parathyroid is overactive, requiring surgery to fix the problem.


28 posted on 12/16/2012 10:07:21 AM PST by wastedyears (I don't want to live on this planet anymore.)
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To: shhrubbery!; All
So, after making this very interesting statement? No data given. Great writing, Helen.

The 1929 date seems quite suspect, given the chart accompaning this article by the researcher, Grant Duwe: http://www.aolnews.com/2010/03/01/opinion-the-rise-and-decline-of-mass-shootings/

29 posted on 12/16/2012 10:37:25 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The leftists, progressives, and liberals who demand banning and confiscation of weapons in the USA, are silent about, and just voted for more of, the monthly lobbing of missiles from the Palestinian quarters around Israel.


30 posted on 12/16/2012 10:45:58 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
So, after making this very interesting statement? No data given. Great writing, Helen.

"The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58 people were injured. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–11 years of age) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in U.S. history."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_Disaster

Regards,
GtG

31 posted on 12/16/2012 12:38:55 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: shhrubbery!
Also we have recently been reminded that the worst school mass murder in US history was committed in 1927, without guns.

See my post #31

Regards,
GtG

32 posted on 12/16/2012 12:42:56 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Thanks for the research. I’ve been running around and getting ready for Christmas.

That was one heck of a bomb. I never heard of this massacre. Of course, the MSM would NEVER tell mention it since eeevil guns weren’t used and bombs are already banned.


33 posted on 12/16/2012 1:38:45 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: kabar

The numbers of people in the USA on antidepressants will astound you. Medication is prescribed for all sorts of things that are simply part of life that people no longer want to deal with as adults. Life should be relatively easy, we should not be disappointed, or have to settle for less than ideal, we shouldn’t stay married to people who aren’t the perfect spouse, we shouldn’t tan the hide of a misbehaving child, etc etc etc.
I have read more than I cared to and learned more than I wanted to know about drug companies (and doctors) not wanting to reveal that drugs stop working after a while, that many antidepressants you can’t stop taking because they’ve fubared your brain (google antidepressant withdrawal syndrome), and on and on.


34 posted on 12/16/2012 6:29:25 PM PST by visualops (artlife.us)
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