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(CT shooting) "Give teachers guns": US blogs awash with people calling for more people to be armed
mirror.co.uk ^ | 16 December, 2012 | Anton Antonowicz

Posted on 12/16/2012 7:32:04 AM PST by marktwain

SCREAMING mums at schools, dads cradling children... it’s all too familiar to those of us who live in the United States.

Hours after the latest outrage the internet was awash with the unapologetic views of those who live and die by the gun.

Take this: “No crime would be permitted on my property because I am f****** armed. I can’t wait to kill someone ­legally.”

Or this from Alan ­Gottlieb, head of the pro-gun 2nd Amendment Foundation: “There was nobody in that school allowed a firearm. I find that deplorable. I’m sure Lanza felt he could go in ­because no one had a gun.”

It’s insane. Insane to think teachers should be armed and insanity itself to try to explain the killer’s motives.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: armedcitizen; armteachers; banglist; defense; guncontrol; gunfreezone; sandyhookgundefense; secondamendment; teachers; uk
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It is insane to think that you can protect children with nice thoughts. It takes people with guns to do that. The police are always too late to these shootings. You cannot remove guns from the universe. They are 15th century technology and have been made in homes since the beginning. Only totalitarian states can make penalties sufficently strong to decrease the number of guns available to make a difference, because you have to remove 99 percent of the guns to take them away from the small number of people who have strong motivations to do harm. Then the results of the totalitarian rule are far worse than the violence you are trying to prevent.

The world is ruled by force. Better to have balancing forces, than to create disarmed victim zones.

1 posted on 12/16/2012 7:32:17 AM PST by marktwain
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If you weren’t born and raised here you will without a doubt have no concept of our inherent rights which are supposed to be protected from the government. Sadly too many people are under the impression these days that the government grants these rights. Not so. Typical brit.

Share the lead.


2 posted on 12/16/2012 7:38:17 AM PST by rktman
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The English method of dealing with bad people with guns:

Chuck them and run to a little boat on the beach to take you away.


3 posted on 12/16/2012 7:42:07 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: VanDeKoik

No mass school schootings in Israel since 1974. Their staff pack guns..big guns.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 7:50:44 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: marktwain

Okay. Let’s say that we get more “gun control” laws and some guy decides he wants to kill a bunch of kindergartners and shows up with a samurai sword. Who in the school is going to be brave enough to approach the guy and take the sword away from him?


5 posted on 12/16/2012 7:51:56 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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6 posted on 12/16/2012 8:00:05 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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I thought we told you folks in England a LONG time ago to stop telling us how to live. What part of “Mind your own business!” do you NOT understand?


7 posted on 12/16/2012 8:01:00 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: marktwain

400+ dead in Chicago alone for 2012...mostly black on black violence...No tears shed or outrage.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 8:01:57 AM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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Would Adam Lanza have even thought about killing people at Sandy Hook Elementary School if he knew the principal and teachers were armed?

All schools have to consider what they will do now. How do they protect themselves. A sign on the door that says “no guns allowed” obviously isn’t going to deter an Adam Lanza.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 8:02:23 AM PST by mom.mom
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To: marktwain

Bank Guards are armed
Armored truck guards are armed also.
is money worth more than Children? I dont think so


10 posted on 12/16/2012 8:04:12 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: marktwain

The traitorous Connecticut governor and state legislators who passed laws establishing school as “gun-free zones” are co-conspirators with the Sandy Hook murderer.

May these unrepentant 2nd Amendment traitors, especially the leftstream media anti-gun advocates and other political leaders who rip away the right of school administrators and teachers to defend themselves and their students, burn in hell twice as long as the piece of excrement that committed such murders.


11 posted on 12/16/2012 8:04:28 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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12 posted on 12/16/2012 8:04:29 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Dallas59

I might add....No candle light services...no “professional” mourners...no syrupy songs....no Hollywood stars breaking down on camera...little sickening 24/7 media coverage for 24 weeks of every movement of the victims families... no call to ban RAP music...


13 posted on 12/16/2012 8:04:52 AM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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The libs should demand that specially trained attack unicorns be posted by every school entrance.

[you never see anybody start a killing spree at a gun show.~lots~ of diverse people go to them and the odds are that ~some~ of them are possibly not very sane..but they never open fire..now why is that?]


14 posted on 12/16/2012 8:19:02 AM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep.)
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British child among victims
15 posted on 12/16/2012 8:32:54 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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The way I see it, the media is actually one of the biggest parts of the problem. These deranged lunatics are at heart pathetic attention seekers seeking herostratic fame to convince themselves that their existence meant something, aided by the media, which positively orgasms over every pornographic detail over both the event itself and the life of its perpetrator. They would do better to impose a damnatio memoriae on the person and refuse to mention his name or anything about his life, lest a future nutjob look to him for inspiration for his own atrocity. They would never do this of course, stories like this shift a lot of copy with a prurient public that loves to pour over stories like this. What the media do is not just in poor taste, it is actively dangerous...
16 posted on 12/16/2012 8:33:12 AM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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The English method of dealing with bad people with guns:

Chuck them and run to a little boat on the beach to take you away.

I didn't know until recently that the Channel Islands didn't adopt the gun control measures that have plagued most of the U.K.

Perhaps people there are more mindful of these issues because those islands were actually occupied by the Nazis.

17 posted on 12/16/2012 8:44:15 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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My mother was born in Jersey and was there during the occupation. I think she would not give away a weapon too easily now. Her family all made it through the war unscathed, just! Unlike a couple of families she knew from school which in hindsight she thinks must have had Jewish blood. The Channel Islands have a long history of invasion and I think would know the value of a good weapon.

Mel


18 posted on 12/16/2012 9:02:01 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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Only totalitarian states can make penalties sufficently strong to decrease the number of guns available to make a difference,

This is factually incorrect.

Almost every country in Europe and most other industrialized (and non-totalitarian) countries around the world have much lower gun ownership and (partially consequently) lower murder rates than the USA, despite in many cases having a considerably higher general violent crime rate. Thus, demonstrably having "made a difference." Does not prevent "gun violence," but does significantly reduce it.

It is true that in UK only criminals have guns, but even most of them do not have guns, thus violent attacks are less likely to end in death.

I strongly support the 2nd Amendment, but I think it is dishonest to try to claim that there aren't highly unpleasant side effects to the 200M guns floating around America.

On I believe the same day as the Newtown shooting, a nut in China similarly attacked schoolchildren, except he didn't have a gun. So he used a knife.

23 people were injured, but there were no deaths. So far, anyway.

The problem here is that guns indeed do not kill people, but they make it so much easier and more efficient. Does anyone seriously contend Lanza would have been able to kill so many children armed with a knife? Or that the nut in China would not have been more deadly armed with a gun?

One of the costs of an armed populace, unfortunately, is that occasionally one of those armed citizens will go off the rails and do something like this.

This cost is vastly outweighed by the benefits of an armed people, but I think it is dishonest to claim the costs don't exist.

19 posted on 12/16/2012 9:12:18 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

You are quite correct of course.

However, the media should not be blamed for giving the public what it wants.

When somebody does something like this, people not unreasonably want to know why, so the killer is made a celebrity while everyone who ever knew him is interviewed for possible insight.

If media outlet A chooses not to cover the story, they will lose viewers (and money) to media outlet B. So no outlet is going to do that.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 9:21:52 AM PST by Sherman Logan (Brought to you by one of the pale penis people.)
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