Skip to comments.Boehner caves on taxes(the GOP will get nothing and we will get higher taxes now or later)
Posted on 12/16/2012 7:57:20 AM PST by bestintxas
It's only a "partial" cave, in that Boehner agrees that the tax rates should go up on those making more than $1 million rather than $250,000 a year.
But if Boehner caves on taxes, who can believe him when it comes to any other red line Obama will try and force him to cross.
Signaling new movement in "fiscal cliff" talks, House Speaker John Boehner has proposed raising the top rate for earners making more than $1 million, a person familiar with the negotiations said. President Barack Obama, who wants higher top rates for households earning more than $250,000, has not accepted the offer, this person said.
The proposal, however, indicated progress in talks that had appeared stalled. The person would only discuss the plan on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the negotiations.
As part of a broader budget deal, Boehner is still seeking more spending cuts than Obama has proposed, particularly in mandatory health care spending. Boehner has asked for a long-term increase in eligibility age for Medicare and for lower costs-of-living adjustments for Social Security.
Boehner's tax proposal was first reported by Politico.
A Boehner aide would not comment on the report.
At issue are expiring tax rates that would automatically increase on Jan. 1 for virtually every income tax payer if Congress and the president don't act. Steep budget cuts are also scheduled to kick in, unless Congress and Obama agree to forestall them with other deficit reduction measures.
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I’m shocked ... shocked!
And didn’t we ALL know Boehner would cave? Didn’t we?
Throw that bum out and elect a Speaker with a set of stones, for the love of God!
It is my hope that conceding on this issue might give him the leverage he needs to stand firm against the Assault Weapons Ban that you can bet is right around the corner.
“Never let a crisis go to waste”
He waited until the networks and news media were covering the shootings almost 24/7.. and CAVED in the middle of that.
Nothing to see here...
Exactly. There’s really no negotiating with Barry anyway. Taking what he was willing to offer in preserving the Bush cuts up to $250K was all that could happen there anyway.
But the House controls spending, that’s the bigger problem anyway, and Boehner and crew have dicked around without really addressing it for two years already anyway!
That’s were the action should be.
Long past time the Republican Party withers on the vine. Why does this country have to have 2 liberal parties?
Lucy, Charlie Brown and the football all over again. Washington needs a complete remake.
Note to Boehner, “find your spine, guts, and gonads!” Note to the House, “find a Speaker with spine, guts, and gonads NOW.”
Sorry Drew, but that is naive thinking. The Democrats view any effort to compromise as capitulation. If the Republicans cave on taxes, they will cave on gun control. The Dems know that all too well, and the Republicans will just take it with barely a whimper.
You’re absolutely right. I keep hearing about Boehner “caving”. There is NOTHING the Republicans can do to prevent taxes from going up. Literally nothing. The only thing he can do is to negotiate spending cuts. But on the tax issue, its a done deal.
PLEASE make that weeping, overtanned, nicotine addicted, RINO loser go away! PLEASE!
"It's been shown by IRS records that if you raise the capital gains/dividend tax you bring in LESS money in actual dollars into the treasury, why do we need to do this, and how will YOU make up this new shortfall?"
In '08 0boober's answer was "it was a matter of "fairness." , so OK it's a matter of fairness that we increase taxes and actually cut money from the treasury, how than mr. president, do we make up the difference???
Boehner and the GOP need to stop playing the progressive game and start arguing with mathematical facts. Put it in terms that the average young single cosmo reading gal (who seems to be the new demographic) can understand. In other words stop arguing emotionally and start using logic. The community organizer will fold like he did in the first debate when Romney actually gave him some tough questions.
I think you missed the boat. Boehner just called Obama’s bluff and you allowed yourself to have been spun by Politico (it has already been reject).
Maybe Bonehead can up his offer from 1 trillion in tax increases to
2 trillion in tax increases and Obama will accept. After all if Bonehead
is willing to go to 1 trillion, why not 2 or 3 trillion.
Because we can’t create a third party don’t you know.
I was told when I registered as a Republican in Louisiana in 1961 that I was wasting my vote because the winner would be elected in the Democrat Primary which I would not be allowed to vote in.
It takes time to build a third party that would be viable but you got to start some time if you want real change.
Unfortunately, I don’t see that happening. We are too busy fighting ourselves on issues like the War on Drugs, etc. Most of us are not “pure” enough on our positions to even get agreement among ourselves much less decide on a platform that would embrace a true majority of voters.
The Democrats don’t have to divide us, we do that ourselves. We accuse the Liberals of thinking they “know everything”, but I see the same attitude here.
Look what happened here during our primary. We couldn’t agree on one canditate because of “flaws” of not being the perfect one.
It’s our problem, and until we find a way of finding the best instead of the perfect, we will remain powerless with RINO’s in charge of the opposition.
Boehner signs on to the NO GROWTH, continued high unemployment scheme...
Way to go, dunce...
Oh, they'll cave on gun control. Of this, I have no doubt. It'll only be a matter of how much they'll cave.
Yet more evidence that the radio caller was telling the absolute truth when he said, “I was in a meeting after Obama got elected and I was told by the Democratic officials in that meeting that we were gonna get billions of dollars that was gonna come down the pike, our way, and what we were to do with it was, we were supposed to build a
. We are gonna build an army of Democratic patronage jobs
. gonna completely freeze up the Republicans forever and ever
“Its not a stimulus package; its not pork; its a job patronage system.
“ be bigger than the United States Army—thats what we were told; theres gonna be more employees working for the Democrats in this patronage system than the United States Army.”
Boehner caving again .. say it isn’t so !
It’s all about the SPENDING ! GOOFEY !!
The Narcisist in Chief is having a control tantrum , a hissey-fit , and Boehner has no spine , nor moral resolve .
It time for a change .
We are being represented by a leader with no spine , argueing with an orator who cannot lead.
A jellyfish has more spine than Boehner .
Go figure !
“(the GOP will get nothing and we will get higher taxes now or later)”
That would be, now AND later. Wait till those under $250,000 see what they voted for.
We have one party. There are different factions, but it is one party. It is kept in power by a parasite class, voter fraud and a complicit media. Any true conservative is the target of a vicious campaign of lies and innuendo.
Bonehead is only going to bargain down. He is mark here.
This isn’t a cave, come on. Raising the tax rate on people making more than $1 million a year means nothing, and that’s why Obama will reject it. The number of people who make a “salary” that high could probably fit inside a convention center ballroom somewhere. Entertainers and athletes basically. Everyone else who makes that kind of money can easily shift more of their income to dividends and capital gains, etc., so they’re not going to be paying any more in taxes.
I see this as a shrewd move by Boehner to expose the fact that Obama is not really looking to target the “millionaires and billionaires”. He’ll be protecting them, because they contribute to his and other Democrats’ campaigns. Obama wants to target the small business owners, and highly successful professionals who do make between $250K and $1 mil. They are the people who would actually get caught with a higher tax rate, not those making over $1 mil.
Boehner probably knew it would be refused, so no harm yet. CBS News has begun questioning Obie's willingness to compromise and this verifies, actually strengthening our case, and redirects pending blame on them, not on us.
BOEHNER IS NOT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY!
Boehner didn't/doesn't have a chance.
Seriously, do you think there is any real difference in the parties? They both want one thing, to be re-elected. Secondary to that, they want more power.
We are past the point of no return, elections are rigged, there can be no third party, there are more that get from the gov’t than not (I’m including gov’t employees, those living off grants, business running on subsidies, etc.——this is NOWHERE near just a welfare problem).
There is only one chance and hope, secession.
This version of the story all but ignores the 2nd half of the deal, which were large spending cuts.
I always find myself saying the exact same thing about our MISERABLE stoneless United Federation of Teachers president, Michael Mulgrew. How this guy, who was a shop teacher who got caught screwing a married teacher AT SCHOOL, ever got elected to this important office is beyond me. He has worked tirelessly to deliver his constituents on a platter to the little tyrant Mayor Doomberg. He has done nothing to help the senior teachers who are being purged from the system on false charges, schools deliberately being starved of resources so that they will fail and then be closed, etc. so that they can hire noobie teachers at half the price who are then not being given tenure. These noobies are but infantile children themselves, hardly distinguishable from the kids. Mulgrew is only out for himself and so is Boner.
The GOP has become one wing of a two wing bird of prey. The DC Party.
Where' the "fair share" the innner-city tribal parasites are sucking off the Taxpayer, while paying NO TAXES AT ALL, AND EVEN RECIEVING "Refunds" for below-poverty-level individuals????
At least Taxpayers would get a small portion of their money back, from the parasites.
Start FOOD KITCHENS, and STOP FOOD STAMPS/EBT'S, and lets really FEED those in need, instead of supplying $$$$ for crack, tattoo's, liquor, cigarettes, Casino gambling, etc.
Take away ANY means of cashing in for parasites, and we'll see who REALLY is sucking our tax dollars out.
Equal Treatment under the Law is a farce, when some payer HIGHER Income Tax Rates, while others pay a lesser percentage, and how this even passes the Smell Test (Progressive Income Taxes) is beyond me. The USSC has it WRONG on somehow penalizing success, while rewarding FAILURE and PARASITIC LIFESTYLES.
Really, who is surprised?
The House controls nothing.
That makes two of us!
Exactly. Much sooner, than later.
Can gun confiscation be far behind?
Can amnesty be far behind.
All the issues that have held the GOP together will soon fall apart.
The RATs are all cut from the same cloth, of the union-thug, packer/muncher/ tree-hugger, socialist weave. They are a monolithic voting bloc. The democrats can be counted upon to be... "the democrats".
The Republicans are all over the map...RINOS, squishes and TEApublicans.
The Republicans ARE NOT "the Republicans".
And everybody wonders where lenin/hitler/mussolini/mao found their armies. Don’t think for a second that it couldn’t happen in the US. We are one convincing despot away from being the next soviet union or china.
Our Government elect is a mixture of cowards and tyrants; and WE sent them there, and allow them to live.
In the beginning there was “Right” and “Wrong”.
We’ve been compromising in the “Wrong” direction ever since.
Now, they call that “progress”.
If a FReeper will consider Boehner as he would any Democrat, nothing Boehner has done or does will surprise. Think of him as an uber-RINO or as a Democrat. It works better for one’s mental health and blood pressure.
Conservatives should be screaming for Boner’s head on a pike!
Conservatives should be screaming for Boner’s head on a pike!
The libs just sit and wait. Bonehead always.. ALWAYS moves to their position.