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Revealed: Connecticut school gunman's 'survivalist' mother was obsessed with guns[...]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248983/Connecticut-school-shooting-Adam-Lanzas-survivalist-mother-obsessed-guns.html ^ | 15 December 2012 | DANIEL BATES IN NEWTOWN, CONNECTICUT and HAYLEY PETERSON

Posted on 12/16/2012 9:40:41 AM PST by Feline_AIDS

The mother of Newtown school massacre gunman Adam Lanza was a survivalist who was stockpiling food because she thought the world economy was on the verge of collapse.

Nancy Lanza began hoarding such items because she feared that the financial crisis was going to bring about the end of civilized society.

She reportedly became 'obsessed' with guns and taught Adam how to shoot, but on Friday he turned on her and blasted the woman to death while she laid in her own bed.

Law enforcement sources told the Hartford Courant that she had not gotten up - and could have even been asleep - when her son killed her.

The killer's aunt said Nanzy Lanza was 'self-reliant.'

Speaking from her home near Chicago, Marsha Lanza, 57, said: 'She was stockpiling food. We talked about prepping a lot. She was getting ready for the economic collapse.

'I think she had the guns for self-defense because she lived alone.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: banglist; preppers; righttobeararms; sourcetitlenoturl
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To: Feline_AIDS
'She was stockpiling food. We talked about prepping a lot. She was getting ready for the economic collapse. 'I think she had the guns for self-defense because she lived alone.'

Sounds like a very smart woman.
2 posted on 12/16/2012 9:44:22 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Feline_AIDS

How’s that Hope and Change working out for everyone?


3 posted on 12/16/2012 9:44:41 AM PST by paul544
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To: Feline_AIDS

When people have children with mental health issues they should not be so armed. It is not a rights issue but common sense.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 9:44:55 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: Kartographer

Ping


5 posted on 12/16/2012 9:44:55 AM PST by TADSLOS (No need to watch the movie "Idiocracy". We're living it.)
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“The killer’s aunt said Nanzy Lanza was ‘self-reliant.’ “

To the tune of $240K/yr. in alimony.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 9:48:23 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Red in Blue PA

Well...looks like this will now be a sure fire thing to be on the “watch list.”


7 posted on 12/16/2012 9:49:32 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

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8 posted on 12/16/2012 9:49:53 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Feline_AIDS
The MSM jack-booting across facts.....knee-jerk opinions feed the anti-gun/Second Amendment cause. Sensationalizing the acts of an insane man is yellow journalism at its worst.
9 posted on 12/16/2012 9:51:02 AM PST by yoe
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To: Red in Blue PA
Sounds like a very smart woman.
Yeah, so smart she never secured her weapons which allowed her son - who she knew was a nut job - to massacre twenty 5/6 year old children.
10 posted on 12/16/2012 9:53:13 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Hey UK ... can we have your news media and you take ours?

Please?

11 posted on 12/16/2012 9:53:45 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Red in Blue PA; All

Now, the Liberal Media and Liberal Politicians will go after “Preppers”

Get ready

Adam Lanza was severely mentally ill. Stop giving Ethnic Group/Protected Class/Special Rights to the mentally ill...and less of these tragedies...and crime...will happen


12 posted on 12/16/2012 9:53:56 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Well here we go....they’ve got their link. Self-reliance will be considered “anti-social” and therefore a crime in the socialist government of the formerly free USA that was brought to greatness by self-reliant people.


13 posted on 12/16/2012 9:54:10 AM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: All
IMO it is certainly possible that the ruling class New Normal

and their loyal fellow MSM employees are using (taking advantage of) these shootings to help them disarm the citizens. Their steadfast refusal to deal with causes and instead focus entirely on getting rid of guns is like they "arrange" the shootings IMO.

14 posted on 12/16/2012 9:54:10 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Feline_AIDS

“Prepper Madness”...soon coming to a theater near you...


15 posted on 12/16/2012 9:57:41 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: paul544

Yep, Obama’s fault. Using Leftist logic, its the only possbile conclusion.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 9:58:27 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: greatvikingone
When people have children with mental health issues they should not be so armed. It is not a rights issue but common sense.

You, sir or madame, are full of crap. That murderous little brad should have been locked up in and asylum. Those kind of mental health "issues" should not be loosed upon society. Unfortunately, asylums for the insane have fallen out of fashion due to those like you who want all of society to bend to the lunatics instead of the insane being cared for in a secure environment.

17 posted on 12/16/2012 9:58:56 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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To: greatvikingone

I tend to agree with you, but I’ve been criticized for making similar statements. If you’ve got a dangerous nut in the house, I think it should be treated the same as if someone in the house is a felon. The other members of the household should have to store their guns off the premises and in a manner such that the nut can’t get to them easily.

I really don’t like it any more than anyone else, but when the common thread in many of these incidents seems to be a known psycho getting their hands on a gun far too easily. Unfortunately, I think this is at least one step we’re going to have to strongly consider.


18 posted on 12/16/2012 10:00:15 AM PST by VOR78
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To: greatvikingone

I respectfully disagree. I believe that they have just as much of a right to be armed as anyone else, however, they should not let their children, especially those who are mentally ill, around any of the weapons.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 10:00:54 AM PST by Patriot95
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To: oh8eleven
She added that Nanza was ‘meticulous’ and would 'never leave the guns out.'
20 posted on 12/16/2012 10:01:59 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Lion Den Dan

“You, sir or madame, are full of crap. That murderous little brad should have been locked up in and asylum. Those kind of mental health “issues” should not be loosed upon society. Unfortunately, asylums for the insane have fallen out of fashion due to those like you who want all of society to bend to the lunatics instead of the insane being cared for in a secure environment.”

Calm down and read your own post. Our current culture would not lock him up in jail or asylum until he did something heinous; therefore, it is incumbent on the person with whom he lives to not provide him the means to do what he did. Her obligation when she kept him under her roof is to keep the environment safe.


21 posted on 12/16/2012 10:03:52 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: VOR78
I think this is at least one step we’re going to have to strongly consider.

Consider whatever you want. I'll not lock up or unload my firearms. If that makes me a criminal, so be it.

/johnny

22 posted on 12/16/2012 10:05:10 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: greatvikingone

By making the guns readily accessible, maybe she was hoping he would end her pain and suffering and shoot himself?


23 posted on 12/16/2012 10:05:30 AM PST by Fpimentel
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To: VOR78

Does that include PTSD?


24 posted on 12/16/2012 10:07:07 AM PST by Fpimentel
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To: Fpimentel

“By making the guns readily accessible, maybe she was hoping he would end her pain and suffering and shoot himself?”

As dark as that sounds, I know parents of mentally ill and dangerous children who think that.


25 posted on 12/16/2012 10:07:32 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: Red in Blue PA
Survivalist on par with mentally ill mass murderer son, see the parallels they are trying to draw? Beware the prepper who is mentally ill schooling and teaching the family with violence, hate and anti government sediment.
26 posted on 12/16/2012 10:09:19 AM PST by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Lion Den Dan

Thank you for bringing some needed clarity to this increasing problem.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 10:09:33 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Patriot95

If we allow a law to be passed that forbids gun ownership for people who live with a suspected mentally ill person, it would only be a matter of time before the Government expanded the definition of crazy to include Preppers, Truthers, Birthers, Ultra Conservatives...


28 posted on 12/16/2012 10:11:31 AM PST by Fpimentel
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To: Fpimentel

??? Either I missed it or we read different articles, but where does it say she made them readily accessible?

It says she taught him about guns and how to shoot etc., but the money quote I saw said:

“She added that Nanza was ‘meticulous’ and would ‘never leave the guns out.’ “


29 posted on 12/16/2012 10:11:52 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: greatvikingone

This kid could have threatened his mother to open the “locked cabinet” so he could get access. A locked gun case is no guarantee.


30 posted on 12/16/2012 10:12:58 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Red in Blue PA

Where in this strange hit piece on the mom does anyone state the dead Mom was obsessed with guns?
The writer and headline writer peddle that lie/phony angle !
The father ran away from his son and her and left her to handle the situation !
The guy lived 50 miles away and last saw the kid in June !
Thanks to the ACLU and lib therapists it is impossible to get someone involuntarily committed before they do something like this !
The courts and judges let the mentally ill run wild and there families are powerless !


31 posted on 12/16/2012 10:13:41 AM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: sarasota

Articles I have read was he shot her in her sleep...


32 posted on 12/16/2012 10:13:58 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I was intending to respond to post # 1, but it was deleted for one reason or another. So i guess you are the victim.

What the media is doing is trying to focus attention and blame on everyone and thing except the individual who did the killing. Sometime in the near future, they will begin including all legitimate gun owners,Republicans, Fundlemental Christians in their guilt by association.

33 posted on 12/16/2012 10:14:20 AM PST by sport
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To: Fpimentel

“If we allow a law to be passed that forbids gun ownership for people who live with a suspected mentally ill person, it would only be a matter of time before the Government expanded the definition of crazy to include Preppers, Truthers, Birthers, Ultra Conservatives..”

It is not about more gun laws. We need to address our mental health issues in this country; but she should have used common sense, you know that thing about self-regulation, and not had weapons in her house or not had her son in her house.


34 posted on 12/16/2012 10:15:02 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: SeminoleCounty

You are so right. MENTAL HEALTH is the real issue here.
The real common thread with all the school shootings is young men with mental health issues.
We need to be asking the question of how society can better help these young men. Drugging them and letting them spend hours alone with video games is not the answer. Parents of these troubled young men need help to find ways to mainstream them or there need to be places where they can be housed and learn to do physical labor. Something needs to be done! This issue needs to be talked about.
Instead, once again media, politicals and educators talk about guns.


35 posted on 12/16/2012 10:16:42 AM PST by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: EBH

Not surprised. He clearly didn’t want any interference in his plan.


36 posted on 12/16/2012 10:17:31 AM PST by sarasota
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To: greatvikingone
When people have children with mental health issues they should not be so armed. It is not a rights issue but common sense.

Oh, it's about common sense, is it? Where have I heard that phrase before?

O.K. Who gets to define common sense? Who gets to define what are considered "mental health issues"?

Don't be a useful idiot and advocate going down that path.

37 posted on 12/16/2012 10:18:04 AM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: Lion Den Dan

The ACLU and lawyers and mental Health experts prevent follies from
Locking anyone up ! They closed all the facilities and its impossible to
Get anyone involuntarily locked up .
The police and jail do not allow this unless they do something dangerous !


38 posted on 12/16/2012 10:18:18 AM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: EBH

If she truly was meticulous and never left the guns out, he never would have gained access to her gun safe. Remember, he tried to buy his own rifle a week earlier, but was denied. She had to have given him access to the guns. Once he had access, he shot her dead. How many mothers could ever believe their son or daughter was capable of murder?


39 posted on 12/16/2012 10:20:14 AM PST by Fpimentel
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To: EBH

my question is, why would anyone take a mentally ill person to a gun range and hand them a gun?


40 posted on 12/16/2012 10:21:35 AM PST by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve and neither do I)
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To: Red in Blue PA

In Jonestown, Guyana, a socialist killed hundreds of people, including many children, with a fruit-flavored drink. Should we outlaw liquids? We should outlaw socialism. It always leads to crazies who want to own the world.
We are used to easy answers. Just type a question into the computer and you receive a fast answer. There is no fast and easy answer for why this guy did this. There are no fast and easy answers to prevent things like this from happening. Anyone who stands up and says they have an easy answer is a liar or an idiot, and probably both.


41 posted on 12/16/2012 10:22:03 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: greatvikingone

I agree with you to a degree, but note in the article it says he then took the car keys and car to go to the school.

Even if the guns had been stored offsite, if he was this intent, it would not have mattered.

Somewhere this “brilliant” kid had a plot and a plan...

Law enforcement needs to find it. They say he was a computer geek of sorts...well where is all the chatter about what’s on the computer?


42 posted on 12/16/2012 10:25:22 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Rebelbase

self-reliant...yeah, I had to chuckle at that too!


43 posted on 12/16/2012 10:28:08 AM PST by FES0844
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To: Fpimentel

Couldn’t tell you that for sure. I don’t whether a person with PTSD has a high propensity for violent outbursts.

I’m not saying it should be applied to everyone who has ever had a mental health issue by any means. But when someone is clearly disturbed and has shown an inclination towards violence, or their diagnosis is one with a high propensity to that end, yeah, it may be time to consider it.


44 posted on 12/16/2012 10:30:04 AM PST by VOR78
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To: Red in Blue PA
Nancy didn't live alone. She probably stockpiled just like I do. And she was a gun collector.

This aunt must be the same goofy one I saw on TV yesterday.

45 posted on 12/16/2012 10:31:49 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: VOR78

Should be common sense but not something “we should consider”. Who is the “we”? The government?


46 posted on 12/16/2012 10:32:28 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: EBH
... 'never leave the guns out.'
Not leaving them out, does not mean they were secure.
But thanks for playing.
47 posted on 12/16/2012 10:32:52 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Fpimentel

Or maybe he killed her to get access?


48 posted on 12/16/2012 10:34:49 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: Fpimentel

How many mothers could ever believe their son or daughter was capable of murder?

My mother could and my dad could. And I believed my brother would one day kill me, until he finally was killed by the police in a “suicide by cop” scenario.

And yes, we all lived with guns in our possession. My parents at times with giving shelter to their dangerous son. Life and situations happen. There were many times I thought my parents fools, but if my brother had decided to go on a rampage in their home the only thing that would have stopped him would have been a gun.

And in the end it is what stopped him.

Now as far as the gun safe is concerned ...you make it sound like she handed him the key or combo. Or like the kid knew where to get it or find it. We don’t know that, yet. And to me, since he tried to buy a gun a week earlier ...seems to indicate he did not have ready access. So he schemed, spyed, etc. to gain access.


49 posted on 12/16/2012 10:35:25 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: Taffini

Million dollar question...

That is something I don’t understand in this scenario.


50 posted on 12/16/2012 10:37:37 AM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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