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Obama Bypasses Congress to Mandate Black Boxes for All Cars -- Beginning in '14
CNS News ^ | December 13, 2012 | Pete Winn

Posted on 12/16/2012 1:37:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Bypassing Congress, the Obama administration has issued a proposed administrative rule, which if adopted, would mandate the installation of "black boxes" in all automobiles and light trucks beginning in 2014.

The U.S. Department of Transportation’s National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) proposed the regulation on Dec. 7, which it said “would capture valuable safety-related data in the seconds before and during a motor vehicle crash.”

The proposed standard would require automakers to install event data recorders (EDRs) – so-called “black box devices” -- to collect specific safety related data in all light passenger vehicles beginning Sept. 1, 2014.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said approximately 96 percent of model year 2013 passenger cars and light-duty vehicles are already equipped with black-box capability...

(Excerpt) Read more at cnsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: automobiles; automotive; bhofascism; blackboxes; democrats; govtabuse; obama; tyranny; waronliberty
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1 posted on 12/16/2012 1:37:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Like Obama phones, tax payers won’t have to pay any more!(/S)


2 posted on 12/16/2012 1:40:52 PM PST by Mark (For the first time in my life, I'm no longer proud of my country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, it looks like I’ve bought my last new car.......


3 posted on 12/16/2012 1:41:00 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

.ACLU..

4 posted on 12/16/2012 1:43:54 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I see a new market for “Black Box Cleanser’s”.

On another note, how long will it be before the police institute road-blocks to examine the contents of the black boxes and issue retroactive tickets for all infractions? (assuming that GPS data is also stored in the B/B.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 1:44:11 PM PST by The Working Man
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why can’t Congress act? Are our Reps so lazy they can’t even write a bill prohibiting enactment of obozo’s various edicts? Or has Boehner lost his will to oppose the kenyan?


6 posted on 12/16/2012 1:45:14 PM PST by Ken522
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh, joy! Will it also record teenagers making out in the back seat, and counterrevolutionary talk?


7 posted on 12/16/2012 1:46:15 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

First step towards eventual periodic transmission of data from auto’s to the gov for taxation and other purposes.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 1:47:47 PM PST by plain talk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Um... if its my car, its my data.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 1:49:00 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: plain talk

Yup, they need that data for the carbon tax.


10 posted on 12/16/2012 1:54:16 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Ken522
Why is this presidential directive material? Don't we have bigger things to concern us?

Beyond all that, only kings and tyrants rule by edict.

11 posted on 12/16/2012 1:56:42 PM PST by pfflier
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There is only one branch of government now.


12 posted on 12/16/2012 1:59:11 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Walkingfeather

If you have a vehicle that is OBD-II compliant (1996 or so onward), it already has data archiving capability. I have a ‘97 Ford that mentions this in the operator’s manual, even stating that the data *may* be available to law enforcement agencies and insurers.


13 posted on 12/16/2012 2:00:01 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: basil

What makes you think you don’t have one already?


14 posted on 12/16/2012 2:00:10 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: basil

It’s starting to look like every sci-fi totalitarian movie I have ever seen and books I’ve read. They were supposed to be warnings not how to manuals.


15 posted on 12/16/2012 2:02:23 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In 1990 I bought a brand new F-150 for $10k or so. Now $10k will get you a pretty good USED vehicle.... Gee, I wonder why the prices have gone up so much.... And I wonder why the auto makers are struggling....

Maybe it’s all the mandates? Nah, couldn’t be....

Oh, and isn’t it all in the name of safety? So why do people who don’t have boat loads of cash have to drive “less safe” beaters? Don’t these mandates make things less safe for the poor?


16 posted on 12/16/2012 2:02:59 PM PST by logic101.net (Was Orwell wrong about anything besides the date?)
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To: logic101.net

Heck my first new Chevy was $2300 and McDonalds burgers were 15 cents, LOL.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 2:04:16 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Racist!


18 posted on 12/16/2012 2:04:35 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
FTA comments: "How does the recorder know it's in a crash?"

There are the airbag sensors, of course, but the crash has already started at that point. So let's look at how aircraft recorders work. The digital flight records store parameters for the entire flight, so that not only can it be used to assist crash investigators, but it can also used by maintenance depots to detect faults before, during, and after a flight so that a failure cascade can't progress to the point where the aircraft falls out of the sky.

The cockpit voice recorders also record constantly; the fact is the system saves only the last 30 minutes or so of audio, erasing the tape or memory as it records over the older material. They record multiple audio channels in parallel, too.

So for a "consumer-grade" road "flight recorder", I see the main car computer recording everything all the time, but reusing memory space so that only the last "n" minutes of data is retained. This precludes using flash memory, because flash has a limited number of write cycles it can do before the storage cells fail. So that means another form of NVRAM needs to be used, or working RAM has to be dumped at the end of a crash event to flash. The engineering is not that difficult, particularly if the amount of data is held to a minimum.

The engineers might then say "why limit the memory? If we use 4 or 16 GB flash, we can record information directly in real time, and not wear out the flash memory for a considerably longer time." Not exactly cheap, but an easier design, because you don't have to worry about "staying alive" long enough to dump temporary memory. I can see it now: "at 30,000 miles, change the compact flash card." It becomes just another maintenance item.

And a long-term window into your driving habits.

19 posted on 12/16/2012 2:05:50 PM PST by asinclair (B*llshit is a renewable resource.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t know what the hell we are paying Congress for.

Obama makes all the laws.

Waiting for the Executive Order outlawing guns.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 2:07:45 PM PST by Venturer
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

that is why I will buy a pre 1970 VW and just keep it running


21 posted on 12/16/2012 2:08:04 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

22 posted on 12/16/2012 2:08:48 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: asinclair

Flo already knows....

http://www.rmtracking.com/blog/2010/04/20/car-insurance-companies-offering-discounts-for-tracking-privileges/


23 posted on 12/16/2012 2:09:25 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Onstar already sends me emails giving me a diagnostics report on my pickup truck. They know everything..... miles, tire pressure, etc. And of course they know where I’m at 24/7 and prolly how fast I drive.


24 posted on 12/16/2012 2:11:34 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: nascarnation
Why don't we send Congress home and save the money>. All of our new legislation is coming from OBama, as Presidential Edict. So why do we need the spineless, gutless, do nothing congress.>>>>...???
25 posted on 12/16/2012 2:14:04 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This raises an interesting point: when Obama tries to rule by edict, instead of by laws passed by congress, valid arguments have been made in other situations that these edicts have no force in the law.

For example, what if a talented mechanic offered to disable the black box? Has he committed a crime by violating a presidential edict?

Right now, while vehicles with “black boxes” are not supposed to be able to function without them, and tampering with them voids the vehicles warranty, that is it. It is not a criminal or civil offense. If you can tamper with them and the vehicle still works, good for you, especially if the warranty has expired.


26 posted on 12/16/2012 2:15:56 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I bet somewhere in the fine print of the rules is a provision that the black boxes collect information about where and when you drive so you can be taxed for carbon emissions and road use fees based on miles driven. You will have no privacy to go where and when you want.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 2:19:05 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: BooBoo1000

We all knew combining the ideology of a hard left statist with the methods of the Chicago political mob was going to be big trouble.

And we’re watching it play out in horriffic fashion, like a train wreck of the country.


28 posted on 12/16/2012 2:23:09 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: The Great RJ

You will have to send in a printout when you file your income taxes. They will also use the data when the gubmint takes over auto insurance.


29 posted on 12/16/2012 2:30:05 PM PST by USAF80
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To: The Working Man

“I see a new market for “Black Box Cleanser’s”.”

I agree. I would pay good money to have someone rig mine to show that I was traveling at nearly the speed of light most of the time I was in the car.


30 posted on 12/16/2012 2:34:27 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wait for the list of black box excemptions


31 posted on 12/16/2012 2:35:35 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: The Great RJ
...taxed for carbon emissions and road use fees based on miles driven.

My state already puts that info into the computer during every annual inspection.

32 posted on 12/16/2012 2:35:53 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The way to drive white people onto public transportation (where Eric Holder’s people can target them for games of “Knockout King”) is to make vehicles so expensive that they cannot afford them.


33 posted on 12/16/2012 2:36:08 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: The Great RJ

Some States have been looking at charging a mileage gasoline tax.


34 posted on 12/16/2012 2:55:19 PM PST by Rusty0604
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Someone please explain the difference in issuing an edict such as this and a dictator?

I suspect there may be a market in disconnecting these things!

35 posted on 12/16/2012 2:58:17 PM PST by 21st Century Crusader (August 26, 1191)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) Inquisitor: “Your automobile black box says you were you driving in a Red District when you had your accident. Why were you in a Red District?”
Accident Victim: “I was visiting my parents.”
IPA Inquisitor: “How did you vote in the last election?”
Accident Victim: “I voted for the Tea Party candidate.”
IPA Inquisitor: “Hospitalization denied because you are a danger to The State. Bailiff, give him the Red Pill and take him to Room 101. Next?”


36 posted on 12/16/2012 3:01:05 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Will the black box record the fact that the driver is distracted with: (a) texting, (b) wolfing down a mcbiscuit, (c) fiddling with GPS, (d) fiddling with the passenger, (e) passenger ... with the driver, (f) putting on makeup, (g) all of the above. Probably not. Box will record only mechanical issues?


37 posted on 12/16/2012 3:05:02 PM PST by fivecatsandadog (Reality ruins everything.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Progressive “SnapShot” flash drive anyone?

Well, this just may change my whole viewpoint on that new vehicle....

The question I have is why did he feel the need to bypass congress? What’s coming that he can’t wait for appropiate legislation to be passed?


38 posted on 12/16/2012 3:07:09 PM PST by EBH (0bama is guilty of willful neglect of duty.)
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To: USAF80

Obam-auto. Mainly because all the illegals with their free phones and drivers’ licenses will need free insurance to go along with their free cars. The rest of us will get a free pass to walk or take the treadmill.


39 posted on 12/16/2012 3:10:22 PM PST by fivecatsandadog (Reality ruins everything.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Since this is unconstitutional, I am within my rights to rip it out. That is, IF I buy another car.


40 posted on 12/16/2012 3:13:17 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: EBH
Black box

So, what happens if you unplug it, let a spark plug wire snap onto the terminals for a couple seconds, and then plug it back it again?

Inquisitive minds are dying to find out.

41 posted on 12/16/2012 3:15:58 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: NTHockey

If my 1984 Mercedes were still running (conked out about 2 weeks ago) I don’t think the technology was there to spy on me this way. Anyone want a project car? LOL


42 posted on 12/16/2012 3:19:59 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; betty boop

And so it begins........


43 posted on 12/16/2012 3:20:38 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
And how much will this new device cost the ultimate purchaser of the vehicle?

It certainly ain't gonna be added for free..........

44 posted on 12/16/2012 3:29:02 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: NTHockey
All computerized cars already have this feature already OBD On Board Diagnostics. You can't short circuit it or just take it out and throw it away because its the brains for the ignition, starter, gages and self diagnostics of your entire vehicle.

You can hook them to a computer and play with them however because we have done that plenty with the fuel mapping on some newer Camaro's.

The have GPS too so don't think they don't.

So does the cell phone in your pocket though. Even the cheap ones.

If its a computer, you can crack it.

Maybe like ET you can make it call home and tell them to F off !

45 posted on 12/16/2012 3:32:02 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where's your brothers ElCamino ?)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

3/8 drill bit through the black box housing and little acid in the hole. If confronted, claim vandalism.


46 posted on 12/16/2012 3:37:35 PM PST by trotskylvalia (where nose meets the grindstone)
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To: television is just wrong
that is why I will buy a pre 1970 VW and just keep it running

You had better put in a gps and tracking device to protect it in case it's stolen! Just kidding, although my next-door neighbor's vintage VW bug was stolen right from his driveway in the middle of night. The thieves rolled and pushed it away down the street, and presumably started it elsewhere. He's a light sleeper. He never saw it again. I have a 1966 vintage car, and worry about it being stolen. So it's never left anywhere that I can't watch it. Simple to work on, will never die, no computers or monitoring devices. Screw Obama and his overreach for power.

47 posted on 12/16/2012 3:38:28 PM PST by roadcat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Bypassing Congress, the Obama administration has issued a proposed administrative rule...”

Huh? Administrative rule? Has this been done before? WTH?


48 posted on 12/16/2012 3:45:30 PM PST by dubyagee ("I can't complain, but sometimes I still do.")
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To: fivecatsandadog

A real black box don’t even record those. It only records aircraft parameters, speed, heading, altitude, etc. The voice recorder pieces everything together.


49 posted on 12/16/2012 3:49:14 PM PST by USAF80
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To: nascarnation

Well—there’s that possibility of course.....

Whatever—it is what it is. Let ‘em come and get me. I don’t even care anymore.


50 posted on 12/16/2012 4:19:55 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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