Skip to comments.Even in Medical School, Affirmative Action Rules
Posted on 12/16/2012 2:17:18 PM PST by Altura Ct.
When it comes to becoming a physician, the academic rigors, years of schooling, and personal sacrifice common to the effort are well-known. This process is a sort of rite of passage, an intellectual marathon that only the best and brightest can complete. As such, medical schools should select candidates best-suited to excel throughout school and cultivate the skills that will allow them to practice in the best health care system in the world. The process by which these candidates are selected, however, may come as a shock.
In examining documents made public by the Association of American Medical Colleges (AAMC), it becomes apparent that race plays a disturbingly large role in the medical student application process. The documents provide data about the applicant pool from years 2009-2011 -- namely, the number of applicants within a given GPA and MCAT score range, and how many of those applicants gained acceptance to a school. These data, it turns out, are organized by race.
A quick scan of the documents reveals that white students applying to medical school with a GPA in the 3.40-3.59 range and with an MCAT score in the 21-23 range (a below-average score on a test with a maximal score of 45) had an 11.5% acceptance rate (total of 1,500 applicants meeting these criteria). Meanwhile, a review of minority students (black, Latino, and Native American) with the same GPA and MCAT range had a 42.6% acceptance rate (total of 745 applicants meeting these criteria). Thus, as a minority student with a GPA and MCAT in the aforementioned ranges, you are more than 30% more likely to gain acceptance to a medical school.
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Yet young whites and Asians still vote for the Affirmative Action Pres__ent. Amazing.
Not "even," but "especially."
If there was no AA, I couldn't less if my doctor looked like Tupac Shakur as long as he had a respectable diploma.
Now....I wouldn't trust any sheepskin on the wall of a black doctor unless I knew him personally or was recommended to me from a trusted source.
Instead....I'll just keep looking down the roster until I find a Cohen or Steinberg.
Race plays a major part in medical school admissions? Nah, can’t be. The Supreme Court settled that in 1978 in Regents of the University of California v. Bakke, 438 U.S. 265.
A black MD says he greatly opposes Affirmative Action because of how evil it is. And he adds that it hurts his medical career, too. Turns out that most potential patients don’t want his services ... even though he worked his way through medical school on his own merits without “AA”
patients just assume that he MAY have been (or probably was) admitted and passed through based on his race, and so they do not want to risk their lives with him
These days, Patel or Park or Yee. Have you seen the new crop of residents and med students?
There is a case to be made for a degree of affirmative action because a black doctor is more likely to have an office in black neighborhoods and to understand cultural issues affecting health and communicate better with black patients than a white doctor.
I’m talking about American black doctors, not the scions of the elite of Nigeria or Barbados.
And you should measure - does the black doctor benefitting from affirmative action typically work in a black neighborhood? Does he in fact communicate more effectively with black patients? Medicine today is full of “best practices” and “measured outcomes.” If affirmative action does not result in the desired outcomes, then dump it.
And when I say a degree of affirmative action, I don’t mean that black students should be nearly four times as likely to be accepted than white or Asian students with the same grades - that’s going too far.
Believe it or not,that Dr is correct.I know of black people who will not go to a black Dr because of AA.
Where I work in Peds,90% of the residents are Asian women.It has become very rare to see a white or black male becoming a Pediatrician.
That actually would be more than 3 times as likely, not 30% more likely, to get accepted.
"According to Pew Research, 54 percent of white voters under 30 voted for Romney and only 41 percent for Obama. That's the same percentage Reagan got from the entire white population in 1980."
-Ann Coulter's 12/5/12 column.
I don't know about the young Asian-American vote.
it is a similar problem for black law school graduates too...
people know that some of (even) our leading law schools admit blacks with lower grades and then pass them through no matter what...
so now, the really good, well-qualified black attorneys cannot be trusted to do good work and clients try to avoid hiring them
we need to get back to admitting the best students, regardless of skin color, and then grading them fairly too (the colleges need to be willing to flunk failures, not just pass them through and bestow degrees on them because of their skin color, sexual preferences, or whatever)
the educational system is helping destroy America from within.
May all those pushing AA in the selection of future physicians some day end up in an emergency room with their lives in the hands of an Affirmative Action doctor.......
Without going into the sordid details, I was harmed by my black dentist’s incompetence. I have to wonder if he was an affirmative action admission to dental school.
Still, 41 percent. They should know better.
Asians was something like 70% or more. Age-wise I don’t know, but certainly they know they’re being discriminated against and the hypocrisy thereof.
I can't agree with you on that point.
All affirmative action is bad.
I agree with Thomas Sowell...if you don't have the grades to gain entrance to Harvard, Johns Hopkins, etc., go to where you WILL earn admission. There are plenty of good state supported Medical Schools and other fine alternatives.
But I agree with you about the foreign doctors. My "go to" general practitioner is Dr. Htwe (pronounced "Twee"). He's from somewhere in S.E. Asia and a marvelous doctor.
Of course....most of them are trying to escape their socialized medicine at home and come here where they will be appreciated.
Obamacare will stop that flood of good, ambitious doctors in their tracks.
One notes the almost complete absence of black commercial and airline pilots. Either you can fly to spec or you can’t.
Ann doesn’t mention that the democrats only got 36% of the white vote that year, Reagan got 56% and Anderson 7%.
In her never ending effort to prop up this years Anderson type figure (Romney), she plays a little loose with the wording, for instance rounding it off as “the same percentage”.
Obviously the motor skills are there (at least in regard to sports).
Is it the lack of reasoning skills and judgement?
Sadly, this is why I choose my doctors carefully. And, yes, race is one of the qualifiers.
Yes. Without affirmative action I might have been protected from my incompetent black dentist, and a brilliant black rheumatologist I knew might have been able to help more patients because he would have been seen as more trustworthy.
Patting minorities on the head makes leftists feel morally superior, so they refuse to look at the harm that affirmative action does.
I won't go to one for that very reason.
Your black dentist may have got his degree from Southern University in Baton Rouge, that school was the AA school of choice.
I am not an affirmative action fan, but let’s get some perspective, here.
I believe black pilots are reasonably common these days in the AF and the Navy.
I have been flown somewhere in the past few years by a black commercial airline pilot.
We should remember the heroics of the Red Tails of WWII.
Talking doctors: Nearly 20 years ago, I had spinal surgery by a black neurosurgeon who was a Mayo Clinic grad. Outstanding! It was elective, meaning i chose to have it. Do not regret it.
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but do the leftists choose to go themselves to the Affirmative Action doctors or lawyers?
No, U.S.C. School of Dentistry
pushing women over men... minorities over whites...
the academic community is pushing to make tomorrows business leaders and high income earners democrats
The Medical College Admission Test has changed over the years. Affirmative Action screwed me in the mid 1970s when I took it the first time. I tried twice in the 1980s. First was for the Uniformed Services University of Health Services. I got a 59, when the max was 90. I couldn't get a waver for my age. I tried again a few years later. I got 61. I was accepted by the New York College of Osteopathic Medicine, the only school that I applied to. Because I applied too late, the Army gave me a three year scholarship. Go figure.
I look for a Jew or a Jew or a Jew; I'm not ashamed to admit it.
All of my professionals (MD, Chiropractor, etc.) are Jewish, except my lawyer; he's a Paisano.
I will not consider anything else, especially anyone that has the chance of being an AA candidate.
Usually not, but then they feel guilty about their choices. Wallowing in guilt is one of liberals' favorite activities.
so most of them feel it is just FINE if YOU go to one of their Affirmative Action doctors, lawyers, or nurses... but they usually won’t ....
I get it.
they take care of themselves while not giving a damn what happens to you or anyone else
(mighty “liberal” of them, eh?)
It's all part of their corrupted version of compassion.
(FWIW I think someone should write a book about liberals titled "Corrupted Compassion.")
they are compassionate with (willing to give away) your money, your health care, your liberty
but not their own.
this is not only corrupted compassion, it is dishonest compassion
let them use their own money, time, and energy (and talents, if any) to tutor promising young people to meet the standards. and let them then use their own money to provide “financial aid” for the lucky recipients of their “compassion”
then I’ll believe it
We can’t keep up the standards we have in medicine with a third world population of immigrants, our pitiful education system and it’s socialist “health care” system. When boomers retire and are gone, watch what happens to research and medicine.
A lot of really good docs are clearing out of the commie system. If you are intellegent and have the capacity to weighthe ethical issues of medicine, you are not all that into the government telling you how to treat people and to kill people. You are dedicated to saving life, not neglecting targeted people until they die.
My nephew, the brain surgeon, is freaking out. But he thought socialized medicine would be great before it happened. If they are killing severely injured and handicapped people, not much need for brain surgeons. He’s not much into the death cult he’s dealing with.
Without lowering the ethical and intellectual standards for all professions, we won’t have any staffed. It’s the future.
Its good to have a guy with a pistol in his briefcase if all else fails.
“Is it the lack of reasoning skills and judgement?”
Have you read “The Bell Curve?”
Not so much that; he’s just an animal.
We work on recommendations for "the best in the area" from friends who were patients or from docs we know personally. Or sometimes, it's somebody we were given during a visit to the Emergency Room who impressed the heck out of us. That usually turns out to be a white male, usually a Jew or Catholic who worked his way through college and graduated from one of the "name" medical schools. Did come up with one female dermatologist that way (from the Philippines). She was great, but it's hard to book her, because she doesn't work as many office hours as the males in her group. I think she has a family.
And we've been seen by a fair number of clueless, cold, female weirdos, especially in OB-GYN, who seemed like lesbos, whom we blew off STAT. There must be a lesbo quota in some of these schools, too.
“What do you call the person who graduates at the bottom of the medical school class? Doctor.”
Actually, it should be:
“What do you call the person who graduates at the bottom of the medical school class? A Piss Poor Doctor.”
“What do you call the person who graduates at the bottom of the medical school class? A Witch Doctor.”
“What do you call the person who graduates at the bottom of the medical school class? An Affirmative Action, Medically Incompetent Wanna-Be Obama-Doctor.”
I’m right there with you.
So. . .are we to understand you have no issue with a less qualified black applicant being accepted to medical school over, say, you, your son, your daughter, wife?
That, or an Indian. A squad of Indian endocrinologists (dot not feather) saved my daughter's life when she was heading toward a diabetic coma. They are on top of their game. Her current endo is Chinese.
And yes, the poison of AA is that before when you had a black doc you knew he worked his ass off in med school. Now you assume he skated through because of AA. It has HARMED the people it was intended to help, like any other liberal idea.
So it's okay for blacks to get the low scoring doctor?
“And yes, the poison of AA is that before when you had a black doc you knew he worked his ass off in med school. Now you assume he skated through because of AA. It has HARMED the people it was intended to help, like any other liberal idea.”
FANTASTIC analysis!!! I’d beyond obsurd that this conversation is even happening. But, like you perfectly stated, “It has HARMED the people it was intended to help”.
As I’ve always said, no way would I ever let a black surgeon cut into me.
I’ll take my chances waiting in line for the white surgeon, thank you.