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Keystone XL critics now calling for more indepth climate change study
Fox News ^ | December 16, 2012

Posted on 12/16/2012 2:21:08 PM PST by jazusamo

With President Obama poised to decide whether to allow construction of the Keystone XL Pipeline -- based on a second, more environmentally-sensitive path -- critics now appear focused on derailing the project over a climate change study.

TransCanada Corp. submitted a revised application after the president rejected the first one in January because it took the 1,700-mile-long pipeline across an aquifer in Nebraska.

However, environmental groups say producing oil from Alberta tar sands releases more carbon dioxide than conventional drilling, which would increase global warming, and that studies on the first application were inadequate.

Jeremy Symons, of the National Wildlife Federation, said Sunday the original assessment by the State Department underestimated the amount of greenhouse gas. And he called on the Environmental Protection Agency to do a more complete assessment on the second application.

“We need an honest reassessment, and it’s up to the president to look at all environmental impacts,” he told FoxNews.com.

Symons also suggested the State Department “ducked” the greenhouse emissions issue to avoid the politically sensitive debate about climate change.

The pipeline would transport the oil from Canada and Western states to Gulf Coast refiners.

Supporters argue the project would help the United State lessen its dependency on foreign oil, create thousands of construction jobs and that it has already passed the environmental test.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: environazis; keystonexl; obama; pipeline
The enviro-nazis are now going to use the Gorebull warming climate change fraud with Obama to try to stop KeystoneXL project.
1 posted on 12/16/2012 2:21:15 PM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Obama is determined that this oil goes to Red China. So be it.


2 posted on 12/16/2012 2:25:31 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: jazusamo

They may as well ask that the question of life after death be settled.

Or, do animals have souls, and if so; which species?


3 posted on 12/16/2012 2:25:50 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: jazusamo

Climate change??? WTF?


4 posted on 12/16/2012 2:28:25 PM PST by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: jazusamo

This project was DOA from day one.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 2:29:29 PM PST by carriage_hill (Don't whiz on the electric fence. Awwwww-yeah!)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
You're probably right but after the union losses in Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan he'll hopefully side with the unions on this instead of the enviros. That may be just wishful thinking on my part though.
6 posted on 12/16/2012 2:31:27 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Let me guess. The “critics” want to conduct the “study” with government grants and want to take 5 to 10 years to complete it.


7 posted on 12/16/2012 2:37:47 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: jazusamo

Build the pipeling to within a few feet of the border in both directions. Build a giant fill station on the Canadian side and a giant dump area on the US side and let giant shuttle trucks take the crude across the border. SCREW the SOS!


8 posted on 12/16/2012 2:40:52 PM PST by WellyP (question!)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Its a jobs program.

Meanwhile, when is BO going to decrease his carbon footprint?


9 posted on 12/16/2012 2:41:49 PM PST by madameguinot
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To: cicero2k

Lets have a bit of compassion for the Luddites among us.
Remember it was they and their ‘scientists’ who stated with
absolute authority that humans in an open car driving over
30 miles per hour would have their heads fly off.


10 posted on 12/16/2012 2:42:21 PM PST by Hans
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To: madameguinot

A GREEN jobs program and they want to use OUR green to fund it.


11 posted on 12/16/2012 2:46:22 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: jazusamo
However, environmental groups say producing oil from Alberta tar sands releases more carbon dioxide than conventional drilling, which would increase global warming..

So these morons haven't figured out Canada will produce whether or not we have the XL pipeline?

12 posted on 12/16/2012 2:50:17 PM PST by Mike Darancette (I don't understand why the Boomers are so passive.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Sending the Canadian oil to China is part of Obama’s plan, but it will happen whether they build the Keystone pipeline or not. They already have a pipeline that sends the oil south to Vancouver, BC and Cherry Point, WA, and Anacortes, WA. The Anacortes destination is a Tesoro refinery that was over-hauled to refine the Canadian tar sands oil and is now concerned that their supply will be decreased due to the planned shipments to China.

The Cherry Point pipeline outlet is right near the dock that the Obama administration wants to send sub-bituminous coal to China. Now, with sub-bituminous coal selling for $12.35 / ton, it doesn’t make much sense to build this huge dock, unless there is a plan to also make it an oil shipment dock. China has already applied for the permit to double the capacity of the oil shipments to the southern leg of the trans-Canadian pipeline.

None of this means that they couldn’t still ship the oil to the Gulf Coast. Oh, and one more interesting point, the over-all global warming study is the demand that the opponents of the coal terminal are making. The addition of the tar sands oil to the study is in case they are planning to add the tar sands oil to the Cherry Point Coal terminal.

I wouldn’t mind having the oil, but I sure don’t want the filthy coal in my backyard.


13 posted on 12/16/2012 2:51:55 PM PST by Eva
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To: thackney

Ping.


14 posted on 12/16/2012 2:52:03 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: Hans

I think O will approve the pipeline. He’s not up for re-election and he doesnt’ need the environmentalists any longer. Let’s be honest. He’s a black man. Do blacks have ANYTHING in common with the environuts? Do the unions and their need for union construction jobs need the enviros? The pipeline will help O’s economic bottom line and it’s about time that the rat coalition gets exposed for what it is: a LOOSE coalition of different interests.


15 posted on 12/16/2012 2:52:09 PM PST by DIRTYSECRET
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To: Mike Darancette

I believe they are more then happy to see the oil go to the ChiComs.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 2:53:19 PM PST by matt04
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To: Mike Darancette
These morons have trouble putting their pants on let alone figuring that out:)
17 posted on 12/16/2012 2:56:01 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
“We need an honest reassessment...

i.e. an assessment with a predetermined outcome.

18 posted on 12/16/2012 2:58:55 PM PST by glorgau
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To: glorgau

Yup! That’s the problem with “studies” these days. The desired outcome is determined and they work backwards from there.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 3:01:49 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (It's not about the guns. It's about the control.)
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To: jazusamo; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!


20 posted on 12/16/2012 3:02:20 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: jazusamo

Why does Obama have the say in this?


21 posted on 12/16/2012 3:16:04 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: freekitty
It's my understanding that because the pipeline crosses an international border it has to approved by the State Dept and it's in the Exec branch so he gets involved.
22 posted on 12/16/2012 3:31:30 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
after the union losses in Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan he'll hopefully side with the unions on this instead of the enviros.

He seems to have more of an affinity for government labor unions [SEIU.] I mean, he threw the coal miners' unions under the bus before he was elected. I think his hatred of business and fossil fuel trumps even his support for union labor.

23 posted on 12/16/2012 3:35:13 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: jazusamo

Keystone XL: K.I.A. 11/06/12. RIP


24 posted on 12/16/2012 3:47:51 PM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: jazusamo

Let’s give them an ultimatum...open the pipeline or each and every one of us prepares and consumes a gallon of firehouse chili.

The resultant rise of greenhouse gases...methane predominantly...will (supposedly) cause the oceans to flood, set adrift their precious polar bears, and flood the socialist strongholds in California, and the East Coast.

A brief earth-burp of carbon dioxide or a nation-wide fart of doom? The choice, gentlemen, is yours.


25 posted on 12/16/2012 3:59:23 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: clintonh8r

The oil can move but only in one of Buffet’s tanker cars.... /sarc


26 posted on 12/16/2012 4:00:59 PM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

“Obama is determined that this oil goes to Red China. So be it.”

Heck, he could have done that with Iraqi oil.


27 posted on 12/16/2012 4:03:25 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: jazusamo

My Global Warming Study for the Lake Champlain Basin. NY

“Lake Champlain smelt fishermen
who are wailing over lack of ice for
their shanties and indulging in other
piscatorial gnashing of teeth, can take
new heart.

There’s still plenty of time for
King Winter to get in his frigid licks,
and there have been only six years in
recorded history — covering a period
of 120 years on Lake Champlain,
that the lake remained open [NOT FROZEN]. That
was in 1828, 1842, 1850, 1919, 1932
and 1933”


28 posted on 12/16/2012 4:46:12 PM PST by bunkerhill7
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To: EQAndyBuzz

China’s Oil Quest Comes to Iraq
http://thediplomat.com/2012/12/02/china-introducing-the-middle-easts-future-hegemon/


29 posted on 12/16/2012 5:01:14 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: jazusamo
I remember the environmentalist whackos in the 1970s predicting the Trans Alaska Pipeline would surely turn Alaska into an oil soaked moonscape and decimate the caribou and other wildlife. They assured us that a pipeline could not be built over permafrost, over mountain ranges and earthquake faults and would have failure after failure. 40 years later the pipeline is working as designed and none of the dire predictions of environmental catastrophe have occurred. The XL pipeline is being built over prairie farmland that is geologically stable and is already crisscrossed by pipelines that have operated for decades without problems. The environmental concerns being raised are over blown and with pipelines already in the ground for 50 years operating without problems make those arguments almost ludicrous.
30 posted on 12/16/2012 5:13:25 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: jazusamo
I remember the environmentalist whackos in the 1970s predicting the Trans Alaska Pipeline would surely turn Alaska into an oil soaked moonscape and decimate the caribou and other wildlife. They assured us that a pipeline could not be built over permafrost, over mountain ranges and earthquake faults and would have failure after failure. 40 years later the pipeline is working as designed and none of the dire predictions of environmental catastrophe have occurred. The XL pipeline is being built over prairie farmland that is geologically stable and is already crisscrossed by pipelines that have operated for decades without problems. The environmental concerns being raised are over blown and with pipelines already in the ground for 50 years operating without problems make those arguments almost ludicrous.
31 posted on 12/16/2012 5:13:44 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: The Great RJ
You're dead on the mark.

I remember the predictions of doom and gloom from the enviros on the Trans Alaska Pipeline also and all their points have been proven wrong.

Now we have newer and better technology and a proven track record in the lower 48 and they come back with the same doom and gloom, it's time to get the job done.

32 posted on 12/16/2012 5:24:24 PM PST by jazusamo ("Intellect is not wisdom" -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: The Great RJ
The environmental concerns being raised are over blown and with pipelines already in the ground for 50 years operating without problems make those arguments almost ludicrous.

You understand that logic, clear ratonales and demonstrated experience have no place in an environmental discussion.

The left doesn't understand those kinds of arguments.

I'm serious.

33 posted on 12/16/2012 5:30:57 PM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Man does not control earth’s climate. The sun controls earth’s climate. What is so hard to understand about that?


34 posted on 12/16/2012 5:50:28 PM PST by abclily
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To: jazusamo
Supporters argue the project would help the United State lessen its dependency on foreign oil, create thousands of construction jobs and that it has already passed the environmental test.

Tee-totally eleminate the Dept. of Energy. It has failed its mission in every conceivable way.

35 posted on 12/16/2012 8:39:17 PM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: fattigermaster
A brief earth-burp of carbon dioxide or a nation-wide fart of doom? The choice, gentlemen, is yours.

I cannot see how you could possibly have posted a more stupid, retarded comment than the one you just posted.

36 posted on 12/16/2012 11:17:44 PM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: jazusamo

Modern day Luddites


37 posted on 12/16/2012 11:18:13 PM PST by Don W (There is no gun problem, there is a lack of humanity problem!)
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