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Rep. Louie Gohmert: I Wish to God that the Principal Would Have Had an M4
Townhall ^ | 12/16/2012 | Leah Barkoukis

Posted on 12/16/2012 4:04:20 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Many people are insisting we all sit down and have a thoughtful, calm reflection on the Second Amendment after the Connecticut massacre. Others, particularly on the Left, are more forthright and are demanding more gun control. If we are to engage in the former, however, I want to share some of the arguments Rep. Louie Gohmert made today on Fox News Sunday with Chris Wallace.

The segment with Gohmert began with footage of Eric Holder saying we need to discuss who we are as a nation, talk about the freedom and rights we have, and how they can be used in a responsible way. In other words, he wants to talk about gun control. Rep. Gohmert’s response, which brought up Fast and Furious, was priceless:

“Well I think coming from him that’s really important to note coming from a man who’s in a department that forced the sale of guns to people that would bring about the death of people like Brian Terry and there should be national outrage about Mexicans, our neighbors, 200 or more that have been killed by the guns his department have forced to be sold, so he’s right. And Sen. Durbin is right but the conversation we’ve got to have has got to have everybody open-minded. I mean, we all react emotionally that’s why we’ve all shed tears…”

Wallace then brought up the Aurora movie theater massacre and Gohmert making the argument in its aftermath for more people to carry weapons to prevent a similar situation from happening. Wallace asks: “Do we really want folks in movie theaters, and shopping malls, and schools, armed?

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Gohmert responds: “Once we have this actually open dialogue about the situation you find out…every mass killing of more than three people in recent history has been in a place where guns were prohibited, except for one. They choose this place. They know no one will be armed. You know, having been a judge, having reviewed photographs of these horrific scenes and knowing that children have these defensive wounds, gun shots through their arms and hands as they try to protect themselves and hearing the heroic stories of the principal lunging trying to protect…Chris, I wish to God she had had an M4 in her office locked up so when she heard gun fire she pulls it out and she didn’t have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands, but she takes him out, takes his head off before he could kill those precious kids.”

Then the obligatory question by the media: Why do people need semi-automatic weapons? Wallace says these are weapons created for law enforcement, for the military, but why does the average person need these “weapons of mass destruction”? 

Gohmert: Well, for the reason that George Washington said: A free people should be an armed people. It ensures against the tyranny of the government if they know that the biggest army is the American people, then you don’t have the tyranny that came from King George. That’s why it was put in there. Once you start drawing the line, where do you stop? And that’s why it is important to not just look emotionally – emotionally our reaction is to immediately say lets get rid of all guns…you do it as a judge. You react emotionally but you use your head and you look at the facts and the facts are that every time guns have been allowed, concealed carry have been allowed, the crime rate has gone down. Washington, DC ought to be the safest place in American and it’s not…”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; connecticut; guncontrol; guns; louiegohmert; massmurder; newtown; sandyhook; sandyhookgundefense; secondamendment
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1 posted on 12/16/2012 4:04:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

It would be kind of interesting if someone would suggest tasers for teachers. I suspect their reactions would be interesting and quite telling.


2 posted on 12/16/2012 4:07:59 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Multiple Victim Public Shootings, Bombings,and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handgun Laws.”
A Study by Profs. John Lott and William Landes
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=161637

How do Multiple Victim Public Shooters Decide Where to Attack?
http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/09/how-do-multiple-victim-public-shooters.html

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Basically an armed defender (“good guy/gal ”) is the only thing stopping these nuts (other than when/unless they kill themselves)

I think a bill to allow teachers who volunteer to go through defensive handgun training would be great to allow qualified staff to be armed. We already trust teachers with our kids all day, do we not? Conversly, if we cannot trust them with a gun, why trust them with our kids?


3 posted on 12/16/2012 4:08:20 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: SeekAndFind

First of all let me say, Gohmert 2016.

Seondly, I see tasers and mace as the best immediate remedy. All classrooms could have this and if teachers or principals hear shots they can attack from all sides.

I’m also big on a panic button with a recognizable alarm in the school and automatic police notification. Teachers hear that and have mace or tasers they know to prepare.

Instead of the tired gun control response why don’t these liberals offer some real solutions that can happen right now. Maybe even take some of Big Bird’s bonus and fund it.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 4:16:16 PM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: SeekAndFind

First of all let me say, Gohmert 2016.

Seondly, I see tasers and mace as the best immediate remedy. All classrooms could have this and if teachers or principals hear shots they can attack from all sides.

I’m also big on a panic button with a recognizable alarm in the school and automatic police notification. Teachers hear that and have mace or tasers they know to prepare.

Instead of the tired gun control response why don’t these liberals offer some real solutions that can happen right now. Maybe even take some of Big Bird’s bonus and fund it.


5 posted on 12/16/2012 4:16:30 PM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: SeekAndFind

How about if they change the protocol from locking yourself in a room to gathering with other teachers and rushing the attacker? This shooter had to reload 5-6 times, and we all know the hit ratios, so it’s unlikely a group of teachers would have been stopped. Give the teachers kevlar to make it even less risky.


6 posted on 12/16/2012 4:16:40 PM PST by gotribe
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To: SeekAndFind

We need the equivalent of air marshalls inside schools. Some teachers and administrators are secretly trained and armed.


7 posted on 12/16/2012 4:17:16 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would prefer an AR-15, chambered for 7.62 * 39 mm, with a 20” barrel, a laser and a large clip.

I would feel comfortable taking a narrow shot in a crowd with this weapon and have more hitting power with the bigger round.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 4:23:59 PM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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To: ilgipper

There is no reason why there shouldn’t or couldn’t be auxillary police offices at every public school.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 4:24:50 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Kenny

At a minimum, Speaker of the House.


10 posted on 12/16/2012 4:26:52 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: Kenny

Yeah for Gohmert. He was the only one that voted again the Congressional bill removing “lunatic” from the words that we can use to describe our current Congressmen. Guess the truth hit too close to home for the other 400+ that voted for it.


11 posted on 12/16/2012 4:28:05 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill

Do you mean an AR10 maybe?


12 posted on 12/16/2012 4:30:40 PM PST by davetex (Sick of moochers)
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To: SeekAndFind

Someone posted this over at DU. They are absolutely falling down and foaming at the mouth over the thoughts of an armed teacher.


13 posted on 12/16/2012 4:31:02 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (SAVE THE SUMATRAN RAT MONKEY!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Wallace then brought up the Aurora movie theater massacre and Gohmert making the argument in its aftermath for more people to carry weapons to prevent a similar situation from happening. Wallace asks: “Do we really want folks in movie theaters, and shopping malls, and schools, armed?

Whether we want people in theaters, shopping malls and schools armed is a moot point; they are there and they kill people.

The question to be asked is ‘Do we want the killers to be the only people armed?’

In Aurora 12 people were killed and 58 wounded. Had one other person been armed in the theater the number of killed and wounded could have been drastically reduced to a number counted on one hand.

The key to solving any problem is asking the correct questions. The correct question is ‘Do we want the crazed killers to be the only ones armed?’

14 posted on 12/16/2012 4:31:52 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I agree with the sentiment, but the 5.65 NATO cartridge is capable of more penetration than might be wise in a school. How about a shotgun with #1 or #2 buckshot?


15 posted on 12/16/2012 4:35:45 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Same with Huffpo.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 4:36:15 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: SeekAndFind

bttt


17 posted on 12/16/2012 4:36:43 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Pontiac

State Sen. Trotter’s Gun Not Registered, Prosecutors Say(IL)

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20121206/chicago-citywide/state-sen-trotters-gun-not-registered-prosecutors-say-bond-court

Arrest raises questions on Trotter’s job at security firm with city deal

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/16849836-418/state-sen-trotters-bond-set-at-25000.html

I’ll take Dem’s seriously on gun control when they have to hang for the same crimes we do.
He should lose his job ,have a criminal record and be barred from public service.


18 posted on 12/16/2012 4:38:08 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: ilgipper

U.S. Murders: All 13,636; Hands and Feet 801; Assault Rifles: less than 348

The FBI murder statistics do not differentiate between types of rifles. There are about 100 million rifles in the United States. In 2009, the last year in which numbers have been reported, there were 13,636 murders. Guns were used to murder 9,146 people. Hands and feet were used to murder 801 people. Blunt objects were used to murder 611 people. Rifles were used to murder 348 people, and that is all rifles, of which assault rifles are only a small fraction. Assault rifles are used so infrequently in homicides that many police departments almost never see them; in 2009, there were nine states that did not have a single murder committed with any rifle.

So why is the left so intent on banning rifles that are the most suitable for militia use (clearly protected by the U.S. Constitution), when they are used so rarely in murder?

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?105365-U-S-Murders-All-13-636-Hands-and-Feet-801-Assault-Rifles-less-than-348&p=1797734


19 posted on 12/16/2012 4:38:46 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: P-Marlowe

That is an excellent idea. Why maintain separate facilities when municipalities can combine them and get the side benefit of on-site security?


20 posted on 12/16/2012 4:41:38 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: crusty old prospector
At a minimum, Speaker of the House.

From your lips to God's ears.

21 posted on 12/16/2012 4:43:06 PM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: SeekAndFind; MtnMan101

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22 posted on 12/16/2012 4:44:25 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: P-Marlowe

^ You are onto something with that idea! Why do we have schools sitting empty most of the late afternoon, evening and weekends when they could be used as dispatch centers, data processing, meeting areas etc for LE.

Of course, then private schools could become a target but even so police and/or parents could patrol with a CCW. If lib parents don’t like it, take your kids someplace else.


23 posted on 12/16/2012 4:46:02 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The most dangerous places in America are the gun free zones. A want-to-be-killer can use any weapon he wants, and no one would be able to stop him.
24 posted on 12/16/2012 4:47:25 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: TurboZamboni

“Assault rifles are used so infrequently”

Assault rifles are never used. If it doesn’t have a fully automatic capability, it is not an assault rifle.

Gun grabbers, on the other hand, are assault buttholes whether semi-automatic, three-round burst, or fully automatic.


25 posted on 12/16/2012 4:47:37 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: cripplecreek

After 9/11, no one suggested every Muslim that flies on an airplane is a killing machine because of a few, radical, nut jobs that mass murdered with planes? Am I to think that every Muslim on a plane is going to hijack it and fly it into a building because a few did? Should we restrict them from flying...just in case? Should they be restricted to walking so they can not use a vehicle as a weapon? How many people did they murder and they are still flying...whose life changed after that massacre?

I am so sick of the Left jumping on their soapbox every chance they can when it comes to our right to bare arms.


26 posted on 12/16/2012 4:48:29 PM PST by Ms Mable
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To: SeekAndFind
Chris, I wish to God she had had an M4 in her office locked up so when she heard gun fire she pulls it out and she didn’t have to lunge heroically with nothing in her hands, but she takes him out, takes his head off before he could kill those precious kids.”

Well said, Congressman!

27 posted on 12/16/2012 4:48:49 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
I would feel comfortable taking a narrow shot in a crowd with this weapon and have more hitting power with the bigger round.

I'm sure you do but the reality is that any teachers who in the future may be allowed to carry a concealed weapon won't have the extensive seal team and anti-terrorist training that you obviously have and certainly won't have the ballistist knowledge of ammunition that you are proudly touting.......

28 posted on 12/16/2012 4:50:44 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Yeh, it's a real hoot when you have a crazy playing Grand Theft Auto with you and your students, and you have nothing to take him down now!
29 posted on 12/16/2012 4:50:54 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: SeekAndFind

A simple .22 or .380 she could fire accurately might have changed everything.


30 posted on 12/16/2012 4:52:19 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: Andy from Chapel Hill
I would feel comfortable taking a narrow shot in a crowd with this weapon and have more hitting power with the bigger round.

I'm sure you do but the reality is that any teachers who in the future may be allowed to carry a concealed weapon won't have the extensive seal team and anti-terrorist training that you obviously have and certainly won't have the ballistic knowledge of ammunition that you are proudly touting.......

31 posted on 12/16/2012 4:53:16 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Kenny

I have the privilege of voting for him every two years unopposed.


32 posted on 12/16/2012 4:54:33 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: SeekAndFind

Totally agree, man...


33 posted on 12/16/2012 4:54:39 PM PST by matginzac
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To: Kenny

Great ideas..
Forget Gohmert...Kenny 2016!!!


34 posted on 12/16/2012 4:56:33 PM PST by matginzac
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To: SeekAndFind

Tht Romney pushing, anti-Second Amendment phoney Kraphammer was calling for this kind of a sit down discussion.

We had a sit down discussion - in 1787. One of the products was the Bill of Rights. The Right to keep and bear arms was the Second item on that agenda.

The minds that met there far exceeded the experience and mental capabilities of sinister trolls like Bennett and Kraphammer (LONG TIME anti-Second Amendment drones) and the other idiots like Bloomberg, etc, who are SALIVATING at this tragedy as an excuse to excise the Right to keep and bear arms from the Constitution.


35 posted on 12/16/2012 4:59:06 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: TurboZamboni
BTTT

Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens

36 posted on 12/16/2012 5:00:10 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Ms Mable
I am so sick of the Left jumping on their soapbox every chance they can when it comes to our right to bare arms.

Yet the homos kill millions with AIDs and they demand we tolerate it.

They kill millions of babies waiting to be born, and then celebrate it as a right.

They want the elderly to die so more will be left for them, and they call it "fairness."

They want to disarm the population, so only criminals and politicians (actually they're the same thing these days) will have the guns.

37 posted on 12/16/2012 5:01:07 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

And you are 100% correct!


38 posted on 12/16/2012 5:05:22 PM PST by Ms Mable
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To: SeekAndFind

Finally, a politician with the intelligence, decency, and courage to say what needed to be said.


39 posted on 12/16/2012 5:06:08 PM PST by DangerZone (If the left had their way, all of America would be as safe as Sandy Hook Elementary.)
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To: davetex

I have an AR-10. It is very big and heavy compared to an AR-15 chambered for the Russian ammo.

With a laser, a second rapid shot would not be necessary, so the increased kick would not be a big deal.

Regarding the wall penetration problem, there may be some non-full metal jacket mushrooming ammo out there - I do not know.


40 posted on 12/16/2012 5:09:28 PM PST by Andy from Chapel Hill
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Every school should have a designated armed person available each day, to take out any possible threat to the students & staff.

That is the only way to stop any more of this evil.

41 posted on 12/16/2012 5:10:59 PM PST by mickie (My grandson is a Marine...God Bless them all!)
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To: SeekAndFind
I just wish that the people in Washington D.C. would buy a dictionary. They don't want to have a "dialogue" about guns; they want to have a monologue. They have no interest whatsoever in what we have to say, and the only outcome they regard as acceptable will be a gun ban.
42 posted on 12/16/2012 5:13:30 PM PST by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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To: SeekAndFind


Weapons of mass destruction ?
43 posted on 12/16/2012 5:17:26 PM PST by caveat emptor (Scripto ergo sum)
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To: TurboZamboni

So why is the left so intent on banning rifles that are the most suitable for militia use (clearly protected by the U.S. Constitution), when they are used so rarely in murder?

—I submit it is because they are afraid of the citizen army (militia) that would use said rifles on them!


44 posted on 12/16/2012 5:17:59 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (If you could read my mind ... just count up the felonies!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Rep. Louie Gohmert: I Wish to God that the Principal Would Have Had an M4

If that's a direct quote, I wish Rep. Louie Gohmert had command of the English language. What, the illiterates now elect their own representatives?

45 posted on 12/16/2012 5:26:07 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: SeekAndFind

>> Wallace says these are weapons created for law enforcement, for the military, but why does the average person need these weapons of mass destruction?

What an ass.


46 posted on 12/16/2012 5:31:48 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: SeekAndFind

47 posted on 12/16/2012 5:35:18 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SeekAndFind
I will be advocating Gohmert's position when Newtown begins (likely) local meetings on school safety.

And yes Chris, many of us here in Newtown quietly go about our daily business armed.

48 posted on 12/16/2012 5:37:31 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: EdReform

Israeli teachers carry their purses everywhere they go.


49 posted on 12/16/2012 5:46:48 PM PST by Walmartian (I'm their leader. Which way did they go?)
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To: Revolting cat!

Does it make his point any less valid?
Did you not understand what he was saying?

Mike


50 posted on 12/16/2012 5:53:40 PM PST by doublecansiter (without cartridge, load in nine times, LOAD!)
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