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The Facts about Mass Shootings - Itís time to address mental health and gun-free zones.
National Review Online ^ | December 16, 2012 | John Fund

Posted on 12/16/2012 6:52:11 PM PST by neverdem

A few things you won’t hear about from the saturation coverage of the Newtown, Conn., school massacre:

Mass shootings are no more common than they have been in past decades, despite the impression given by the media.

In fact, the high point for mass killings in the U.S. was 1929, according to criminologist Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections.

Incidents of mass murder in the U.S. declined from 42 in the 1990s to 26 in the first decade of this century.

The chances of being killed in a mass shooting are about what they are for being struck by lightning.

Until the Newtown horror, the three worst K–12 school shootings ever had taken place in either Britain or Germany.

Almost all of the public-policy discussion about Newtown has focused on a debate over the need for more gun control. In reality, gun control in a country that already has 200 million privately owned firearms is likely to do little to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals. We would be better off debating two taboo subjects — the laws that make it difficult to control people with mental illness and the growing body of evidence that “gun-free” zones, which ban the carrying of firearms by law-abiding individuals, don’t work.

First, the mental-health issue. A lengthy study by Mother Jones magazine found that at least 38 of the 61 mass shooters in the past three decades “displayed signs of mental health problems prior to the killings.” New York Times columnist David Brooks and Cornell Law School professor William Jacobsen have both suggested that the ACLU-inspired laws that make it so difficult to intervene and identify potentially dangerous people should be loosened. “Will we address mental-health and educational-privacy laws, which instill fear of legal liability for reporting potentially violent mentally ill people to law enforcement?” asks Professor Jacobsen. “I doubt it.”

Gun-free zones have been the most popular response to previous mass killings. But many law-enforcement officials say they are actually counterproductive. “Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a ‘helpless-victim zone,’” says Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff. “Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage,” Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting. Indeed, there have been many instances — from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. — where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.

Economists John Lott and William Landes conducted a groundbreaking study in 1999, and found that a common theme of mass shootings is that they occur in places where guns are banned and killers know everyone will be unarmed, such as shopping malls and schools.

I spoke with Lott after the Newtown shooting, and he confirmed that nothing has changed to alter his findings. He noted that the Aurora shooter, who killed twelve people earlier this year, had a choice of seven movie theaters that were showing the Batman movie he was obsessed with. All were within a 20-minute drive of his home. The Cinemark Theater the killer ultimately chose wasn’t the closest, but it was the only one that posted signs saying it banned concealed handguns carried by law-abiding individuals. All of the other theaters allowed the approximately 4 percent of Colorado adults who have a concealed-handgun permit to enter with their weapons.

“Disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks,” Lott told me. “A couple hundred people were in the Cinemark Theater when the killer arrived. There is an extremely high probability that one or more of them would have had a legal concealed handgun with him if they had not been banned.”

Lott offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

There is no evidence that private holders of concealed-carry permits (which are either easy to obtain or not even required in more than 40 states) are any more irresponsible with firearms than the police. According to a 2005 to 2007 study by researchers at the University of Wisconsin and Bowling Green State University, police nationwide were convicted of firearms violations at least at a 0.002 percent annual rate. That’s about the same rate as holders of carry permits in the states with “shall issue” laws.

Despite all of this evidence, the magical thinking behind gun-free zones is unlikely to be questioned in the wake of the Newtown killings. Having such zones gives people a false sense of security, and woe to the politician or business owner who now suggests that a “gun-free zone” revert back to what critics would characterize as “a wild, wild West” status. Indeed, shortly after the Cinemark attack in Colorado, the manager of the nearby Northfield Theaters changed its policy and began banning concealed handguns.

In all of the fevered commentary over the Newtown killings, you will hear little discussion of the fact that we may be making our families and neighbors less safe by expanding the places where guns aren’t allowed. But that is precisely what we may be doing. Both criminals and the criminally insane have shown time and time again that those laws are the least of the problem,s they face as they carry out their evil deeds.

— John Fund is a national-affairs columnist for NRO.



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It’s also time to address the psychoactive meds that plenty of these shooters have been on, in particular the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs. This kid had Asperger's syndrome. Was he on them? Were his meds adjusted recently? You can go nuts with SSRIs either increasing or decreasing the dosage.
1 posted on 12/16/2012 6:52:19 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

We need ‘Mental’-Free-Zones

or maybe more appropriately —’Meds’-Free-Zones

Big-Pharma has some explaining to do....


2 posted on 12/16/2012 6:57:33 PM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: neverdem

When does it get blamed on AGW?


3 posted on 12/16/2012 7:00:40 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: libertarian27

I’d like LEFTIST FREE Zones.....that would solve a multitude of problems!


5 posted on 12/16/2012 7:05:06 PM PST by goodnesswins (R.I.P. Doherty, Smith, Stevens, Woods.)
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To: Brandonmark
Here in North Texas, more and more businesses who once had signage up to not allow CCW in their business have taken those signs down.

More signs of the times.

6 posted on 12/16/2012 7:05:55 PM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: Jack Hydrazine
"When does it get blamed on AGW?"

It will probably be put on GWB's feet first.

7 posted on 12/16/2012 7:09:08 PM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: goodnesswins

I like the idea of Leftist-Free States. I will move to one as soon as one is available.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 7:09:44 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: Brandonmark; admin
I was sent the Busch Gardens sign and should have checked their website first. This was photoshopped. Please disregard and remove.

From Busch Gardens website:

Personal Item Policy

For your safety, the following items are not permitted inside Busch Gardens: glass containers, chairs, firearms, knives, pointed scissors, pepper sprays, eating utensils, clothing with offensive language, wallet chains, and flammable liquids.


9 posted on 12/16/2012 7:13:14 PM PST by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority!)
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To: neverdem
Lott offers a final damning statistic: “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

SHOUT IT!!! Everywhere.

10 posted on 12/16/2012 7:15:42 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: neverdem

It is still morally offensive to me that only cops can carry guns to protect themselves.


11 posted on 12/16/2012 7:17:55 PM PST by Rapscallion ( OBAMA: You own it now. See if you can govern it.)
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To: neverdem
BTTT

Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens

12 posted on 12/16/2012 7:18:20 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: EdReform

Thanks for the link!


13 posted on 12/16/2012 7:28:59 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: goodnesswins

I once tried a thought experiment to imagine one aspect of life that would not improve if all the leftists magically disappeared for good. I came up empty. I think they’re some kind of Biblical plague.


14 posted on 12/16/2012 7:31:21 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: goodnesswins

That’s sounding better and better all the time.


15 posted on 12/16/2012 7:32:51 PM PST by DangerZone (If the left had their way, all of America would be as safe as Sandy Hook Elementary.)
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To: DangerZone

How about we do something about the Zombies,the schools are putting out relying on drugs to control their classroom.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 7:37:19 PM PST by BooBoo1000 (Some times I wake up grumpy,,, other times I just let her sleep.)
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To: Brandonmark

Just click “Report Abuse” on your own post and ask the Mod to remove it. I don’t know if that always works, but it worked once for me.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 7:39:50 PM PST by TChad
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To: TChad

Thanks - never tried that — if I get banned I’ll know better


18 posted on 12/16/2012 7:42:05 PM PST by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority!)
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To: neverdem

As more facts trickle in regarding this latest school shooting, we are finding that it perhaps wasn’t quite as out-of-the-blue as the media would like to portray it. The kid had problems, the mom had lots of guns laying around evidently not properly secured, and there were incidents where she reportedly feared her own child. Yet just like the Zimmerman/Martin case, captain Zero needs to rush right in there with his pre-planned agenda that just needed “an incident” to put into motion.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 7:50:15 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: neverdem

There is an article posted here that says he was on Fanapt, a schizophrenia drug. I found it buried in the article and posted about it in the thread.


20 posted on 12/16/2012 7:52:02 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster
Fanapt Side Effects

Generic name: iloperidone
...

"Psychiatric

Psychiatric side effects including restlessness, aggression, and delusion have been reported frequently. Hostility, decreased libido, paranoia, anorgasmia, confusional state, mania, catatonia, mood swings, panic attack, obsessive-compulsive disorder, bulimia nervosa, delirium, polydipsia psychogenic, impulse-control disorder, and major depression have been reported infrequently."

21 posted on 12/16/2012 8:54:06 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

But other than that, it’s completely safe.


22 posted on 12/16/2012 9:16:44 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: neverdem

It’s not the meds, it’s the illness. My son in law’s brother is schizophrenic and refuses to take his meds. He is threatening to kill his mother because she had the father removed from life support on Saturday. He died early this morning and now they are looking into having the brother involuntarily committed, but that just isn’t that easy to do, even though nurses and social workers have witnessed his behavior.

The doctors say that the brother’s schizophrenia is the result of heavy early drug use, mostly just marijuana. The man is 52 years old now, 17 years older than my son-in-law.


23 posted on 12/16/2012 10:27:41 PM PST by Eva
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To: libertarian27

When are we going to place the blame on the perp?


24 posted on 12/16/2012 10:32:16 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: neverdem

ping


25 posted on 12/16/2012 10:42:25 PM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: neverdem
Excellent article, but I do challenge one of the research facts.

“With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”

My first thought was the University of Texas clock tower massacre in 1966.

I have a vivid recollection of a dozen frat boys pouring suppression fire on Charles Whitman with their hunting rifles.

The death toll was 13 dead, 32 wounded, and probably would have been much worse if Whitman had the time to carefully select and aim at his targets.

26 posted on 12/16/2012 11:28:39 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: piytar
piytar,

There are at least two exceptions.

Please see my Comment #26.

27 posted on 12/16/2012 11:32:29 PM PST by zeestephen
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To: FreedomPoster

“There is an article posted here that says he was on Fanapt, a schizophrenia drug. I found it buried in the article and posted about it in the thread.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2969335/posts?page=1

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nancy-lanza-feared-son-adam-worse-article-1.1221505

Neither link mentioned fanapt when I tried to find it.


28 posted on 12/16/2012 11:34:12 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

For later reading


29 posted on 12/16/2012 11:36:39 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: zeestephen

U T was a gun free zone at the time, albeit being in Texas, many otherwising law abiding students ignored that. And probably saved many lives by doing so...


30 posted on 12/17/2012 1:03:03 AM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: neverdem

I’d like to know if the father gave a shit about this kid’s behavior.


31 posted on 12/17/2012 1:21:01 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Alaska Wolf

>> When are we going to place the blame on the perp?

If the perp was a documented sociopath, then maybe the blame needs to be “redistributed”.


32 posted on 12/17/2012 1:23:15 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: neverdem
It’s also time to address the psychoactive meds that plenty of these shooters have been on, in particular the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, SSRIs. This kid had Asperger's syndrome. Was he on them? Were his meds adjusted recently? You can go nuts with SSRIs either increasing or decreasing the dosage.

SSRI's given to the wrong person can be as potent as LSD. It's not boogieman junk science it's stone cold fact. I've seen it happen to my wife. Her life was a living hell for 5 days. The doctors did not PDR the SSRI's for adverse reaction. That reaction has a clinical name of Serotonin Syndrome. I am also among the group of people who can not take antidepressants.

The media screams blood murder about Benzo class medications like Valium, Xanax, etc. I doubt there has been one mass shooter on Benzo's alone. Doctors use SSRI's to treat anxiety. The problem is anxiety can simply be a secondary condition caused by neurological damage. Unless a doctor does an extensive medical history such anxiety causing issues as Vestibular and Optical Sensory Processing Disorders can go undetected. SSRI's do two things to such patients. The bring on more anxiety by bombarding the damaged sensory processing system with more sensory impulses. Patients with these type of issues are more prone to Serotonin Syndrome.

If you mention the term Serotonin Syndrome to most doctors they will say whats that? I told my wifes doctor {house doctor not our own} she had it and showed him the alert written by HIS Hospitals Pharmacology Professor. He told me that it was pure rubbish at first till I said do you know the person who wrote it then? This was at a university hospital.

Six doctors and two shrinks did not know what they were seeing. Yet SSRI's are given out like candy even to teens. In the meantime the media goes bonkers after Benzo usage because some Hollywood Morons booze up and do Benzo's and end up dead. Well Duh!

My wifes used Xanax daily for 27 years and I have for over 17 years safely and effectivly. Proper dosage and consistent in blood stream dosage means everything. The fact she was taking Xanax while taking Zoloft likely saved her life as Benzo's are the protocol drugs used to stop Serotonin Syndrome. It takes weeks for antidepressants to leave the bloodstream just as it takes weeks to build up but at any point in that time and after Serotonin Migration from stomach to brain can occur. Benzo's bloodstream life where it can have any effect is 12 hours tops closer to 8.

I don't discount or scoff at the good antidepressants do for many patients. However the general widespread ignorance of the potential adverse reactions by those in the medical field even mental health is astounding and down right frightening.

My wife is a quadriplegic with fair use of her arms and hands. She thrashed and literally beat herself black and blue while it happened. Even after taking her off all Meds and having her return too normal mental state and then again giving her Zoloft and it started up again in an hours time they still didn't catch on.

33 posted on 12/17/2012 2:41:48 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Gene Eric

Reportedly the father “went the second mile” when agreeing to his divorce settlement . . . and is now remarried. But the two boys found the divorce very painful. Who knows why the divorce went down? That doesn’t seem to arouse any interest in journalists. Not like the guy was running against Obama, or anything like that . . .


34 posted on 12/17/2012 2:57:16 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which ¬ďliberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Eva

Re-read your post.....it IS the MEDS....the ones they prescribe today and the ones the kills got illegally!!


35 posted on 12/17/2012 3:23:48 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: neverdem

Another contributor to the high body counts is the insane policy of school lockdowns.

Lockdowns are reasonable if the threat is outside the building and the chance of entering using force is minimal.

However, once inside the building, a lockdown just creates a barrel full of fish waiting to be executed.

We have seen this over and over and over again, but school security does not change lockdowns to escape.


36 posted on 12/17/2012 4:13:20 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: neverdem

Another contributor to the high body counts is the insane policy of school lockdowns.

Lockdowns are reasonable if the threat is outside the building and the chance of entering using force is minimal.

However, once inside the building, a lockdown just creates a barrel full of fish waiting to be executed.

We have seen this over and over and over again, but school security does not change lockdowns to escape.


37 posted on 12/17/2012 4:13:44 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: neverdem

Wow, that has been pulled too.

I saved the Sun UK page I linked you to in the other thread. FReepmail me an email if you want it, and I’ll zip it up and email it to you, if you like.

As of right now, if you Google Jonathan Lanza, it still shows the Sun article that has been pulled.


38 posted on 12/17/2012 4:17:02 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: neverdem
The Facts about Mass Shootings - It’s time to address mental health and gun-free zones.

OH?





Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 

39 posted on 12/17/2012 4:35:57 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: neverdem

I think the media and its 24-7 coverage of such things gives potential mass murderers that they will achieve some sort of sick fame as a result of their actions. Time for the media to quit the 24-7 breast-beating coverage.


40 posted on 12/17/2012 4:59:14 AM PST by NRA1995 (CNN should be PNN (Propaganda, Never News))
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To: libertarian27

Great article.


41 posted on 12/17/2012 5:05:16 AM PST by XHogPilot
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To: libertarian27

U.S. Murders: All 13,636; Hands and Feet 801; Assault Rifles: less than 348

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2912115/posts

I say ban high capacity gun-free zones.


42 posted on 12/17/2012 5:11:30 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: neverdem; FreedomPoster

Related?
(something happened with the “Uncle” statement that wasn’t?)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8646646


43 posted on 12/17/2012 5:22:37 AM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: libertarian27; neverdem

Definitely related.

So “Uncle Jonathan Lanza” may be a fake.

I wonder if the reporters bothered to ask for an ID? If someone was presenting themselves as a close relative in a case like this, I’d want to see two forms of ID, say a picture drivers license and a major credit card with the same name.


44 posted on 12/17/2012 5:49:49 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

From the message board link above- the page before has someone tagging the “Uncle” being Jonathan Lee Riches. Looks like the articles all got scrubbed when it was outed....


45 posted on 12/17/2012 5:54:47 AM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: libertarian27

I’ve seen a statement from the CT police saying anyone presenting false information would be prosecuted. Probably only applies to statements to authorities, not lying to the press as this appears to be.


46 posted on 12/17/2012 6:07:48 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Travis McGee

Ping since you were on the other thread where we were talking about this. It appears that “uncle Jonathan Lanza” is a scammer.


47 posted on 12/17/2012 6:09:17 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: neverdem

"...the mental-health issue. A lengthy study by Mother Jones magazine found that at least 38 of the 61 mass shooters in the past three decades “displayed signs of mental health problems prior to the killings.” New York Times columnist David Brooks and Cornell Law School professor William Jacobsen have both suggested that the ACLU-inspired laws that make it so difficult to intervene and identify potentially dangerous people should be loosened."

Exactly.

48 posted on 12/17/2012 8:53:21 AM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: SpaceBar

captain Zero needs to rush right in there with his pre-planned agenda that just needed “an incident” to put into motion.”””

An average of 10 kids in Chicago are killed every weekend in Chicago-—Obama’s ‘home town’.

Someone enlighten me about how many appearances Obama has made such as last night in Connecticut.

I don’t remember a single appearance.

As usual, Obama also shed crocodile tears—from the upper part of his eye, where no tears form—and when he ‘wiped’ his left eye—he used his middle finger-—AGAIN.

I have never seen a person who is more visible who likes more to use his middle finger to the populace.

What a scum bag he is.


49 posted on 12/17/2012 9:14:45 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

I was wondering who was intended for the “bird” in that presser. The guy needs his ass kicked,


50 posted on 12/17/2012 10:01:47 AM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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