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The American Spectator ^ | 12.17.12 | Ben Stein

Posted on 12/17/2012 10:02:14 AM PST by Freeport

Sunday

I learned about the massacre at Sandy Hook elementary school while we were setting up at Fox News to tape Cavuto on Business. The news was so horrible that we all felt as if we had lost our legs and could no longer stand. It was such horrible news that it simply turned the world upside down.

It still is that kind of news, and it’s incredibly depressing about the nature of humanity. And my wife and I pray all day for the souls of those dear children and for the peace, if there ever will be peace, of their families… and for the souls of the adults and the peace of those who knew and loved them.

As usual, the smartest comment about the whole subject came from John R. Coyne, Jr. “There is evil in the world. It’s beyond mental illness, beyond gun control. It is evil.”

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1 posted on 12/17/2012 10:02:23 AM PST by Freeport
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To: Freeport

Create a nationwide , Federal law enforcement branch that employs ONLY honorably retired or separated U.S. Military COMBAT VETERANS as well paid security personnel in EVERY school in America . All grades . Armed and ready and backed by the full power and authority of the U.S. Government , with broad rules of engagement of whom they can take down if ANYONE poses a serious threat or intent to do bodily harm to any student or faculty . Just the presence of such personnel would be in itself be a huge deterrent.
Put black armed guards ,former Marines and Soldiers , in predominantly black populated schools , Hispanic vets in predominantly Hispanic schools , and Caucasian vets in predominantly Caucasian schools . Create reasonable shifts , ie: half of each school day , with the one of two going off shift being ‘on-call ‘ as a QRF ( quick reaction force) should the on duty guard require immediate back up . Highly train these armed veteran school guards to work closely with local HPD who would serve as additional and further QRF should any situation arise .
Regular HPD can NEVER get there on time . In the minutes required to dispatch and arrive dozens of people can ( an do ) die . There must be someone there , armed ,well armed , all of the time. Whenever school is in session .
Not some rent-a-cop , Union flunkie ….But our own good trained , ready and experienced COMBAT VETERANS . Give them teeth and PAY THEM REAL WELL ….every school in America ….

These school protection detail armed guards would NOT be there for student order and discipline purposes .Except for cases where a student showed up with a firearm and started killing . Leave the regular school order and discipline control practices as they are . These guards need to be dedicated to external threats ONLY .


2 posted on 12/17/2012 10:06:53 AM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: Freeport

Sunday? Ben Stein learned about the massacre on SUNDAY? obviously, he doesn’t watch, read, or listen to the news on a regular basis.


3 posted on 12/17/2012 10:09:07 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Freeport

0ben Stein is absolutely right. America has looked EVIL in the face and embraced it.


4 posted on 12/17/2012 10:24:04 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Freeport
As usual, the smartest comment about the whole subject came from John R. Coyne, Jr. “There is evil in the world. It’s beyond mental illness, beyond gun control. It is evil.”

While I've heard many comments regarding the word evil I have not seen anyone really acknowledge what evil really is. It is the absence of God which is being trumpeted by some of the very people who are calling this tragedy evil.

5 posted on 12/17/2012 10:25:46 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: LeoWindhorse

The massacre in Conn. only took a few minutes. Unless the officer was in the exact location as the shooter, it would be over before they could react.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 10:27:45 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Create a nationwide , Federal law enforcement...

I stopped reading right there. Government is not the answer to almost every question that can be asked.

7 posted on 12/17/2012 10:27:53 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

What’s wrong with that? Lots of people don’t watch, read, or listen to the news on a regular basis, especially on a weekend.


8 posted on 12/17/2012 10:28:29 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

And Ben should be given credit for that. I take a break from the media on a regular basis unless I stumble on something on the net that prompts me to turn on the news. And after Fridays debacle with absurd amounts of misinformation I probably should have turned it back off. Wrong brother did it. What weapons were used? First the AR was found in the trunk. Later heard there were 2 ARs. Then 2 handguns. Dad had been killed. Girlfriend missing. Mom worked at the school. Only 2 dead. The list of wrong information was (and still is) HUGE. Keep your traps shut until we have the into right. But, too many leaks for that.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.

And, Thanks Ben for not jumping on the “Ban Em’” band wagon.


9 posted on 12/17/2012 10:29:29 AM PST by rktman
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To: Coldwater Creek

Actually, there are some tv shows and movies you don’t want to watch because after awhile — they will make you evil.


10 posted on 12/17/2012 10:29:57 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I believe the “Sunday” printed at the top of the article indicates that the article was written on Sunday.


11 posted on 12/17/2012 10:30:29 AM PST by utahagen
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To: Coldwater Creek
The massacre in Conn. only took a few minutes. Unless the officer was in the exact location as the shooter, it would be over before they could react.

LIB: "What do you need a gun for?"

CON: "To protect my family, my life and my property"

LIB: "Just call the police if you have a problem"

CON: "When seconds count the police are just minutes away"

12 posted on 12/17/2012 10:31:05 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: frogjerk
It is the absence of God which is being trumpeted by some of the very people who are calling this tragedy evil.

Their view of evil is different than yours although they use the word. In the worldly view, man is inherently good and evil arises when we are not allowed to achieve our natural goodness. In their view God restrains us through his commands and thus is the cause of evil.

Twisted logic but that is how they think. They are still in the Garden of Eden reaching for the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil where they get to decide what is good and evil.

13 posted on 12/17/2012 10:32:43 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: LeoWindhorse

You don’t think people will mind their taxes going up so these guards can be PAID REAL WELL? Will they be state employees, city, school district employees? That’s a lot of money to be paid out, especially since someone could easily spend 20yrs being a school guard, and never have anything to do. I don’t think it’s a realistic solution.


14 posted on 12/17/2012 10:33:48 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: rktman

And the misinformation just keeps coming.


15 posted on 12/17/2012 10:34:09 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: ckilmer

Which programs? I want to make ure I’m not watching any of them.


16 posted on 12/17/2012 10:35:24 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: frogjerk

So true. Community schools are already circumscribed by federal regulations. Some of which might be at fault in this case.


17 posted on 12/17/2012 10:38:01 AM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: Freeport

I heard a young man say on tv that he liked video games because they are like stories that you can put yourself into and influence the story. While I grew up reading THE ILLIAD and SHANE, young men today play video games where they are part of the story and can themselves defeat evil.
Some video games are truly awful, though.
Highly intelligent young men need a Dad around to mentor them. Bright young boys are smart enough to see the truly horrific things in this world. Most young kids don’t watch the news, but the bright ones are aware of what goes on around the world. Even now bright young boys are reflecting on this tragedy. They are smart enough to see the horror, but not emotionally experienced to deal with it. We are also a society that teaches our men to solve problems. The young boys know this and they want to solve the problems, but they can’t. So they become frustrated. Throw in the normal teenage boy hormones and the energy of youth. Add in shyness with girls and a society that idealizes looks, fame and athleticism, and some boys are going to have problems.
The bright young men see problems....want to solve them......can’t......become really agitated.....don’t have the experience and emotional maturity to deal with their observations and feelings....become frustrated.....have no one to mentor them through these male feelings....explode.
I don’t have any sure fire solutions, but I think single Moms with bright boys hitting seven or eight years old should get Grandpa or an Uncle or somebody who grew up a bright young man to help the boy through it.


18 posted on 12/17/2012 11:05:54 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Freeport

Obama thought the deaths of those children tragic. Yet, if their mothers had aborted them, he’d have been on the side of the mothers.

In this culture of death, Stein is surprised we have children who think nothing of killing?


19 posted on 12/17/2012 11:06:35 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
In the worldly view, man is inherently good and evil arises when we are not allowed to achieve our natural goodness.

I've heard this before and I have a nagging question. I'm not claiming you believe this, but maybe you've heard the answer.

If people are basically good, and society is made up of people, and society keeps people from achieving their natural goodness, what screwed society up in the first place? What mucked up the system?

20 posted on 12/17/2012 11:11:30 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: LeoWindhorse

and that will not do anything of value except set up another ‘security force’ which is what the ‘serve and protect’ folks are supposed to do.

The truth is that we appear to be living in times that are driven by Evil and I do mean that in the most biblical sense. We have drifted away from God and our faith. The nation is adrift and looking for earthly answers. In times past this would be the time that people of faith would act in prayer and obedience and a grand revival would occur. I do not see any of that in recent years.

I pray that if indeed we are in the end times that the God of mercy will shorten the days for our sake.


21 posted on 12/17/2012 11:13:24 AM PST by Nifster
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To: ckilmer

And, your point is what?


22 posted on 12/17/2012 11:24:16 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Coldwater Creek
Unless the officer was in the exact location as the shooter, it would be over before they could react.

With such a plan in place, an armed security guard would have been at that locked door when the perp started to smash the glass with the butt of his rifle.

Officer backs off clear of the entrance and when perp enters, officer drops him. Game over.

23 posted on 12/17/2012 11:59:17 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: ArGee

but maybe you’ve heard the answer.


Danged if I know how their minds think. But once you acknowledge there is good and evil, you have to ask where it comes from. It takes some thinking. But once you blame something like guns, Christians, etc, you don’t have to think about it anymore, you decided (and there is that tree of the knowledge of good and evil again)


24 posted on 12/17/2012 12:14:12 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.))
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To: ArGee

Perhaps when God created us, He left the concept of good and evil up to us, and that’s why it appears to change with time. Maybe there is no good or evil for God, maybe just reality (what a concept).


25 posted on 12/17/2012 12:55:00 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr
Maybe there is no good or evil for God, maybe just reality (what a concept).

Interesting postit. Carry on. When a man (or woman, but I'll use man from here on out) is faced with a choice of actions, how does he decide which to implement?

26 posted on 12/17/2012 1:03:17 PM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: ArGee

I’m sure that’s dependent on the situation, the individual and probably dozens of other factors.


27 posted on 12/17/2012 1:22:12 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr
I’m sure that’s dependent on the situation, the individual and probably dozens of other factors.

You seem to be someone who prefers to muddy the waters rather than engage in honest, interesting discussion.

It's too bad. You might have had an interesting point. But I guess we won't find out.

28 posted on 12/17/2012 1:40:58 PM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Don’t watch certain tv shows or go to certain movies. They have a bad influence.


29 posted on 12/17/2012 1:43:20 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: stuartcr

Its a judgement call, in my neighborhood, channel 123 is a station that has nothing but weird murders on it. I always avoid that station.

Other stations occasionally have programming you don’t want to see. I’m not saying anything beyond showing some common sense as to what you watch.


30 posted on 12/17/2012 1:48:19 PM PST by ckilmer
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To: ArGee

“In the worldly view, man is inherently good”

Yes; in the wordly view. In the Christian view, men are inherently evil due to original sin (Adam’s sin); we are born lost and sinful and “achieve good-ness” (salvation) by accepting Christ in a personal (not technical) way.


31 posted on 12/17/2012 1:49:27 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Only in a perfect world!


32 posted on 12/17/2012 2:29:26 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: frogjerk

Saw some news station pmsnbc or something this afternoon and now we’re back to 2 handguns and one AR. WTH? Sure are a lot of confusing tidbits out there. I guess we’ll never know the real story. Other than 20 little kids were wrongfully terminated. Jerk should have just done himself and left the kids alone.


33 posted on 12/17/2012 9:53:41 PM PST by rktman
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To: ArGee

That was an honest answer. How else could your question be answered? You must know that no one knows why others do what they do what.


34 posted on 12/18/2012 3:37:59 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: ArGee

That was an honest answer. How else could your question be answered? You must know that no one knows why others do what they do what.


35 posted on 12/18/2012 3:38:08 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr
That was an honest answer. How else could your question be answered? You must know that no one knows why others do what they do what.

Certainly, when judging a crime, you should not presume you understand why the accused might have done what he is accused of doing. But in a general sense, when you posit that there is no such thing as good or evil, you are removing a particular basis for choosing one thing over another. Many people use good and evil as the basis for making their choices. You seem to want to replace that paradigm. I was asking what you want to replace it with.

36 posted on 12/18/2012 5:06:05 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: ArGee

No, I said I believe that good and evil are strictly human concepts. It exists for us and is fluid, changing with any number of factors. I believe that God is above that. I think He created us, gave us this inherent trait and is watching how we progress as a race. I do not believe God judges us.


37 posted on 12/18/2012 6:17:02 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Coldwater Creek
Only in a perfect world!

I dunno. If the assigned duty of the armed personnel is to watch and guard the entrance(s) (presuming more than one entrance and more than one guard) it would seem reasonable that there would have been a guard there when Lanza started his attack run.

Now, if this becomes the norm, the sickos will adapt for there are any number of other ways into a school than the front, side or back door.

38 posted on 12/18/2012 6:27:06 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: stuartcr
No, I said I believe that good and evil are strictly human concepts.

Interesting concept. C. S. Lewis took that on in "The Abolition of Man." It's a good read, although it's dense so you have to pay close attention to the logic of the book.

The conclusion isn't pretty.

39 posted on 12/18/2012 6:31:43 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: stuartcr
I do not believe God judges us What a comfortable world you live in. No ultimate judge, no right or wrong. Pretty cushy.
40 posted on 12/18/2012 6:34:39 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Yes, thank you, but it’s not just my world, it’s everyone’s world.

You did mean no ultimate right or wrong also, didn’t you?


41 posted on 12/18/2012 6:37:52 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: ArGee

Thanks, I’m sure it’s a good read, but I’ll just go with the real conclusion.


42 posted on 12/18/2012 6:42:54 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr

From whence do you derive your understanding of God? is it self-constructed?


43 posted on 12/18/2012 6:47:22 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

Self-evidence, derived from God at creation.

Do you consider self-evidence the same as self-constructed?


44 posted on 12/18/2012 6:52:52 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr
Thanks, I’m sure it’s a good read, but I’ll just go with the real conclusion.

Your opinion makes it real. I remember that from before when you decided I was self-deluded and your proof was I disagreed with you.

45 posted on 12/18/2012 6:57:27 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: stuartcr

i consider it intellectual arrogance.


46 posted on 12/18/2012 7:11:21 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: ArGee

???


47 posted on 12/18/2012 7:17:05 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: xsmommy

Self-evidence is intellectual arrogance?


48 posted on 12/18/2012 7:18:33 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr

Thinking that your intellectual construct of God is the correct one, derived purely from your own mind, is intellectual arrogance. Your posts smack of it too.


49 posted on 12/18/2012 7:20:57 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy

You do realise that I never said it was correct, I merely said it’s what I believe.

To be correct, would mean I have knowledge of the construct of God and I could prove it beyond question, wouldn’t it? I don’t believe anyone has or ever had that knowledge.


50 posted on 12/18/2012 7:34:34 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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