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Letís Have That Conversation About Guns
Townhall ^ | Dec 17, 2012 | Kurt Schlichter

Posted on 12/17/2012 1:03:06 PM PST by neverdem

For once I agree with liberals. It’s high time to have a conversation about guns. Let’s start with the problem that there are far too few guns on our streets.

Wait, we can’t have that conversation. In fact, we’re not supposed to have what people might commonly describe as a “conversation” at all. We’re supposed to shut-up and listen as liberals, barely masking their unseemly delight at the opportunity, try to pin the murder rampage of one degenerate creep on millions of law-abiding Americans who did nothing wrong. The conversation is then supposed to end with us waiving our fundamental right to self-defense.

Because that is what the goal is – a total ban on the private ownership of firearms. There’s always another “common sense” gun law which fails because it is targeted at law-abiding citizens and not criminals, thereby inviting another round of onerous new restrictions until finally no citizen is keeping or bearing anything more than a dull butter knife.

Well, almost no citizens. “Gun control” means all guns under the control of the government and available only to it and, of course, to politically connected cronies. Gun-grabbing poser Michael Bloomberg is going to be surrounded by enough fire power to remake the movie Heat. He’s always going to be protected. The purpose of gun control is to ensure that we aren’t.

So let’s have that conversation, and let’s lay the cards on the table. Modern firearms (which really aren’t that modern) are highly effective weapons in the hands of an evil little freak who gets off shooting children. They are also highly effective weapons in my hands when defending my children from evil little freaks.

Liberals ask why I need these weapons. The answer is simple. I’m going to be as well-armed or better armed than the threat. Period.

Here’s the fact – bad people are going to have guns. And if you’ve ever smoked a joint, you are disqualified from arguing that prohibition works.

So, while we are talking, let’s talk about what we lawyers call “causation.” Since apparently we need a whole batch of new laws, perhaps we ought to see what laws might have prevented this crime. Well, we outlawed murder, but that didn’t seem to help. We outlawed stealing, but that creep stole the guns from his mother. He transported them, took them to a school, loaded them – all criminal violations, as was merely possessing the pistols at his age.

Well, maybe he would have been stopped by new laws. Maybe we could ban 30 round magazines? Well, when one walks into a class of children it is unlikely that a couple more magazine changes – a relatively unskilled user can do it in three seconds – would make much difference.

Maybe we could have better background checks. Wait, the creep stole the guns from someone who would have passed any background check. No causation there.

Well, then maybe the only real answer is to ban all semi-automatic weapons, which is pretty much every defensive weapon outside of shotguns and revolvers. It’s also contrary to the Second Amendment and the constitutions of at least 40 states.

We should talk about the Constitution. Liberals have an amazing gift for finding things in it that have eluded everyone else. They have divined a right to abortion that the Founders apparently intended to enshrine within it, however subtly. However, they cannot seem to find where it holds that “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” Perhaps it is obscured by a penumbra.

Regardless, our conversation needs to address the tens of millions of Americans who bitterly cling to this right. Perhaps it should focus on just how the liberals propose to conduct this disarmament. They should probably start with who they assume would conduct this task. I highly suspect the advocates of turning government force upon its own citizens to deprive them of what they consider a fundamental right do not envision themselves strapping on body armor and locking and loading to go kick down the doors of people known to have guns.

So, since risking enormous violence as a consequence to turning government force on millions of armed American citizens who would believe their fundamental rights were being tyrannically breached is probably a non-starter, we should converse about reality. Liberals love reality, or so they are always saying.

The reality is that guns aren’t going anywhere. There are 300 million of them. We aren’t giving them up. So let’s deal with the world as it is.

First, let’s talk about some common ground. It was not news to anyone that the creep in Newtown had mental problems. I am not discounting his evil, but the fact is he clearly had mental issues. Can we agree that we need to look carefully at whether society can do a better job dealing with people like this before they crack up? Doesn’t it make sense to deal with people who might be a threat instead of depriving millions of innocent, law-abiding Americans of their rights?

Let’s return to the fact that we have nowhere near enough guns on the streets. In many states, concealed carry laws have been changed to allow citizens the ability to defend themselves nearly everywhere. The bloodbath liberals expected never materialized. Instead, crime fell. It turns out that ordinary American citizens don’t turn into to sociopaths in the presence of a Glock 19.

Let’s talk about how all American citizens should share this right, because many don’t. In California, I need my local sheriff to sign off that I’m competent. I served 25 years in the military with two tours in hostile fire zones. I carried weapons in uniform deployed to fires, earthquakes and riots. I oversaw the weapons training of thousands of soldiers. The government even spent tens of thousands investigating me, and then gave me a security clearance.

California considers me unfit to carry a gun outside my home. This is ridiculous.

Since we are conversing about guns, let me share some gun insights since liberals often don’t know anything about them (Memo to the Media: Please learn what an “automatic” weapon is and isn’t. Please.) First, I don’t like carrying guns. I’ve spent several years of my life carrying guns and I don’t enjoy it. They are heavy and dirty and you are always aware you have it and you must behave accordingly. Guns are a pain. I would only carry one because the pain of watching people butchered while I looked on helplessly is immeasurably worse.

Let’s also talk about this assumption that a citizen with a handgun out in public is no match for a creep in a vest with a long weapon. True, I’d rather have a long weapon myself, but I’m pretty sure that as I try to make a head shot his full attention (and his gun fire) are all going to be focused on me instead of on some kid. I doubt anyone with a concealed carry permit wants to get shot, but while it may not be in tune with the tenor of these selfish times, I’d prefer that if someone had to get shot it be me facing the enemy instead of a civilian shot in the back.

Let’s talk about “gun free zones” too. Liberals love talking about “science” and “logic,” yet their magical thinking when it comes to guns is staggering. Let’s call “gun free zones” what they are – killing zones.

You don’t see mass shootings at gun shows, police stations or NRA conventions. Bad people go where they know there are defenseless victims. “Gun free” means that the innocents are defense free. A soldier in a sister unit to mine years ago was killed at Ft. Hood, where personal weapons are banned and military ones are in safes. He was shot while trying to attack the traitor with a chair.

Let’s talk about allowing some personnel at schools to be armed – and simply dismissing the idea with the declaration that it its “absurd” is insufficient. Israel arms some teachers – let’s look at their example. There are bad people out there. You can’t wish them away.

And let me end this brief conversation with a question: Is there anyone who doesn’t wish someone else at Sandy Hook had a gun?

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Kurt Schlichter

Kurt Schlichter's freelance work has been published in nationally recognized publications like the New York Post, Washington Examiner, Los Angeles Times, the Boston Globe, the Washington Times, the Army Times, and the San Francisco Examiner.

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KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; nationalrifleassn; sandyhook; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/17/2012 1:03:11 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

way to go Kurt! i never knew he wrote columns.....

2 posted on 12/17/2012 1:15:19 PM PST by red devil 40
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To: neverdem
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3 posted on 12/17/2012 1:16:02 PM PST by MtnMan101
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To: neverdem

A great post. Thanks for putting this up for us to read!

4 posted on 12/17/2012 1:20:19 PM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: neverdem

Go to this site and see, must sign in what the NRA Exe’s get paid and other data.

5 posted on 12/17/2012 1:21:39 PM PST by tiger-one
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To: neverdem
I've been places where open carry is normal. In the woods in Oregon, on the plains of North Dakota. I don't know why we don't stop freaking out about it, and let people carry wherever and however they want. Bad guys would have no chance in a fully armed society. Especially if they look like that!
6 posted on 12/17/2012 1:21:42 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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To: neverdem

The author knows what he is talking about.

7 posted on 12/17/2012 1:22:08 PM PST by marktwain
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To: neverdem

Needless to say, but the first one to raise a white flag of surrender would be John Boehner.

8 posted on 12/17/2012 1:25:47 PM PST by radioone
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To: Uncle Miltie
I could totally hijack this thread for Israeli women with guns.....

Does that make me a bad person?

9 posted on 12/17/2012 1:28:23 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Cloward-Piven is a two way street. Move your capital out of the U.S. Let the economy burn.)
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To: neverdem

First, there are already more than 20,000 gun control laws actively on the books today and none of them prevented the tragedy at Sandy Hook. Second, millions upon million of people in America own guns and 99.9999% of them have never and will never do anything like this.

So, let’s lose the hysteria and analyze the facts - a PERSON did this, NOT a hunk of steel. In Portland, a PERSON killed two people in the mall, NOT a hunk of steel! In Denver, a PERSON shot up the theater, NOT a hunk of steel!!

NONE of these facts will matter to the gun-grabbing nanny-staters, because they focus solely on the gun and nothing else. So, what happens if ALL guns are outlawed and forcibly collected by the feds? Someone bent on committing mass murder may turn to knives, hatchets, chainsaws or machetes. So, we outlaw those. The next person to commit a heinous crime may use a bat, poison, poison gas or a semi-tractor. And the one after that may use a car, a pen or pencil, a rock, his hands . . . . . . so when do we blame the PERSON and NOT the inanimate weapon!???

The fact remains that until the left understands that murdering humans by ANY means including their favorite method, abortion, human life will be valueless and more copycats will come out to exercise their demented mass murder of innocent people.

All of that said, it occurs to me that the gun-grabbers are from the leftist school of complete control. What that means is that if 1 person commits a gun crime then, under the leftist theory of the “collective” and “groupthink”, they believe that ALL gun owners will commit mass murder unless they eliminate guns (good luck with that!). So, the calls for more gun control by the left after these incidents is twofold - eliminate the “balance of power” the Founding Fathers so carefully wove into the Constitution and gain total control over the people.

Another part that affects all of this is the fact that laws, whether gun laws, robbery laws, or whatever, are written solely to affect law-abiding citizens. People who commit crimes are called “outlaws” and criminals because they DON’T adhere to the laws created to control or stop their illegal activities.

So, should the left create additional gun control laws, will it prevent the next gun-related crime? Of course not. Laws only affect those of us who obey them. Those who disregard the law won’t be stopped from committing whatever crime they want to commit.

As a final note, Adam Lanza did not own the guns he used to murder all of the people at Sandy Hook Elementary. They were his mother’s guns and they were all legally purchased and registered. Which begs the question, what will any NEW gun control laws accomplish?

10 posted on 12/17/2012 1:30:13 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: neverdem

Great article that cuts through the B.S.

11 posted on 12/17/2012 1:32:22 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Uncle Miltie

The rifle is fine.

The muffin top is not.

12 posted on 12/17/2012 1:32:43 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (2 Corinthians 4:8)
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To: neverdem

I might consider bloomturd serious IF and when he dismisses his armed guards.

If the utopia of a gun free world is the result of their idiotic rants, let him PROVE his belief in it.

Once again, they have the talent for going after the gutter dwelling voters.

The old ‘kiss’ applies here - give up yours bloomy, lead by example!

13 posted on 12/17/2012 1:49:30 PM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
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To: neverdem

JMO, but I think that the murdering creep’s attention would be entirely concentrated on his helpless victims since at that moment he is getting his supreme jollies.

He might not even notice that someone with CCW is about to blow the back of his head off.

14 posted on 12/17/2012 1:52:54 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: neverdem
Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


End of conversation.

15 posted on 12/17/2012 1:53:53 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: neverdem

My wife is a teacher and she has her CPL. If Governor Snyder signs the bill on his desk, then she will be able to carry concealed on school grounds.

But you know damn well that even if Snyder does sign it (which seems highly unlikely now, after Newtown and after the backlash from signing the Right To Work legislation) that her school district will institute a policy forbidding employees from carrying concealed in the classroom.

16 posted on 12/17/2012 2:00:58 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: neverdem

We had that conversation over two hundred years ago and it was settled THEN. Everything we hear now is an argument over semantics...and since no one really uses the English language the way it was meant to be used in the first place, all ‘arguments’ are moot. There is no ambiguity in “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” I hear nothing that changes that in the slightest.
If you want to play the semantics game, there is nothing there that tells us what arms, what kind of arms. How many. Where. Or even why. It is ASSUMED to mean firearms. So if they can ASSUME that, when it doesn’t REALLY say that, I guess they DO understand the thing and simply will not admit it which makes them liars and psuedo-imtellectual hypocrites.

17 posted on 12/17/2012 2:01:52 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: MestaMachine
Well said! There is really no point in discussing things with people who clearly
intend to be dishonest about everything. This is a fight not a conversation
and they have chosen to make it a fight. I choose to win it.
18 posted on 12/17/2012 2:14:24 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: neverdem
19 posted on 12/17/2012 2:18:23 PM PST by baddog 219
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To: neverdem

With all them Obama Thugs running around out there one would be nuts not to own a gun.
And wasn’t it Obama that threatened “if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun.” I have never threatened anyone with a gun.

20 posted on 12/17/2012 3:00:37 PM PST by jacob allen
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To: neverdem; marktwain
Conservatives need to demand laws requiring all citizens to attend Church or Synagogue EVERY WEEK.

None of the school killers regularly attended Church or Synagogue.

Forcing citizens to attend church is unconstitutional, but that 'detail' doesn't stop liberals from calling for disarming citizens - and it shouldn't stop conservatives.

Every time children are killed we should USE the horror for our own advantage - just like the liberals do.

Forced religion - if you love Children - if you hate them being murdered, you MUST support the only logical solution - forced Church and Synagogue attendance.

Conservatives need to demand laws requiring all citizens to attend Church or Synagogue EVERY WEEK.


21 posted on 12/17/2012 3:53:21 PM PST by GOPJ (Detroit should be renamed 'Michael Mooresville'...)
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To: Uncle Miltie

There’s a rifle in this picture?

22 posted on 12/17/2012 6:38:14 PM PST by Redcitizen (.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Hijack away.

23 posted on 12/17/2012 6:40:48 PM PST by Redcitizen (.)
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To: neverdem; NFHale; GOPsterinMA

Burn in hell liberal scum who would exploit the deaths of kindergarteners. You are lower than cockroaches.

24 posted on 12/18/2012 12:32:10 AM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy; darkangel82

ESPN has a college hoops coach bitching in favor of gun grabbing.

DAMNIT. So sick of politics at ESPN.


25 posted on 12/18/2012 6:52:37 AM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: neverdem
Terrific article.

Simply terrific!

26 posted on 12/18/2012 6:53:49 PM PST by Gritty (If any of the Western world is to survive, it has to find a way to turn around, to go back-Mk Steyn)
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To: GreatMan


27 posted on 12/18/2012 7:15:08 PM PST by GreatMan
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