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National Cathedral dean: ‘. . . the gun lobby is no match for the cross lobby’
washingtonpost.com ^ | December 16, 2012 | Jeannine Hunter and Hamil R. Harris

Posted on 12/17/2012 7:29:37 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

For the Very Rev. Gary Hall, tenth dean of the Washington National Cathedral, the Connecticut killings are the last straw in the debate about gun control.

At two worship services Sunday, Hall appealed to worshipers to help lawmakers pass legislation that would limit access to weapons. The Episcopal Church has advocated gun control for many years.

“Why do we as a society tolerate these massacres in increasing numbers?” Hall said. What does it say about us as a community of human beings that we are willing to put our children, not to mention their teachers, in so much jeopardy? ... What are we, as people of faith, to do?”

Hall called on the nation to address gun violence, urging faith communities to take the lead in pushing for effective gun-control measures, particularly access to assault weapons. He called on people across religious traditions to “serve as a counterweight to the gun lobby.”

“Enough is enough,” Hall said. “As followers of Jesus, we have the moral obligation to stand for and with the victims of violence and to work to end it. We have tolerated school shootings, mall shootings, theater shootings, sniper shootings, workplace shootings, temple and church shootings, urban neighborhood shootings for far too long.”

At the 11:15 a.m. sermon, worshipers interrupted Hall with applause. At the 8:45 a.m. and 11:15 a.m. services Sunday, many worshipers rose for a standing ovation after Hall’s sermon.

“I believe the gun lobby is no match for the cross lobby,” Hall said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist
National Cathedral sermon rallies behind gun control - December 16, 2012 - "Today we grieve, but soon we act."
1 posted on 12/17/2012 7:29:42 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“Let he who hath no sword sell his cloak and buy one.” Mr. Jesus Christ.


2 posted on 12/17/2012 7:31:53 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Yeah, the abortion lobby also had no chance against the cross lobby...


3 posted on 12/17/2012 7:32:45 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Does he have any solution on how to get guns away from all the gangstas, if so I would love to hear it.


4 posted on 12/17/2012 7:33:45 PM PST by doc1019
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To: Tailgunner Joe
A solidly pro-abortion crowd gives a leftist in cloth a standing O.

For them, life begins at six, at least.

5 posted on 12/17/2012 7:33:59 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Dare he address the holder of the gun inflicting the carnage? No, that would mean infringing on a civil right to be evil. But somehow it is okay to infringe on my civil and constitutional right to simply possess a gun.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 7:35:09 PM PST by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: wideawake

Life begins, to a leftist, when you can be brainwashed to put a condom on a cucumber


7 posted on 12/17/2012 7:35:56 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

“As followers of Jesus, we have the duty to disarm ourselves so that thugs and tyrants can do as they please?”

What Bible verse is THAT from???

Oh wait - it is the Episcopal Church.

The religious arm of the democrat party.

And a dying church...


8 posted on 12/17/2012 7:39:22 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Human beings don’t do these things, sir. SUBhuman beings do.


9 posted on 12/17/2012 7:40:32 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

They do have a really good pipe organ. Just every thing we say about them isn’t negative.


10 posted on 12/17/2012 7:41:30 PM PST by ThomasThomas
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To: freedumb2003

This fools ‘cross lobby’ has theology teachers that claim abortion is a sacrament.


11 posted on 12/17/2012 7:42:34 PM PST by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
All of the most massive mass murders in history have been committed by governments that have disarmed their people.
12 posted on 12/17/2012 7:45:21 PM PST by logic101.net (Was Orwell wrong about anything besides the date?)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The badge of a police officer, does not protect you from any weapon carried by that police officer.

Instead, that police officer’s respect for the responsibility of carrying and lawfully using any weapon, achieved thru *both*

1) a desire to be, and remain, disciplined about keeping and bearing Arms

2) practicing and training in the discipline of keeping and bearing Arms

That is no different, than the same discipline and duties of all of us.

Young people especially, but all who have missed the opportunity, should *learn* how to practice good and safe weapons discipline.

Human responsible agency, is the key.

Being responsible takes both good instruction (many of us were lucky to get that from one of our parents), and a continuation of the discipline.

We pay for police officers to remain in practice.

We fail in each state, to pay for mustering the militia, county by county, to also drill ... *and set an example.*

In so many inner city communities where young men and women are without access to good instruction, the cities, the counties, the states ... and the N.R.A. ... should step in to provide it, to require it.

Yes, the N.R.A. does provide a lot of training, but we need to get to the roots of communities where the kids are without weapons disclipline.

Emphasize, that “these weapons, firearms or not, are for our use in defending against attacks.”

That has to be in “the media.”


13 posted on 12/17/2012 7:51:43 PM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: 2banana

I think I am still technically a member of a UCC Church. Another one of the religions arms of the Dem party. They have only been around since the 1950’s or so and lost something like half their members. Obama belonged to/attend a UCC Church before becoming POTUS.

I have not attend a service in years, simply for the many of them closely resemble liberal country clubs where they preach feel good liberal talking points, not scripture.


14 posted on 12/17/2012 7:52:54 PM PST by matt04
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To: rwilson99

>>This fools ‘cross lobby’ has theology teachers that claim abortion is a sacrament.<<

My point exactly — I need to use the /sarc tag better...


15 posted on 12/17/2012 7:57:47 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Here comes bama claus here comes bama claus left down bama claus lane!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I’m with you Rev. Gary. Why stop at guns? Americans killed by drunk driving in 2010 - 10,228

Where are the calls for prohibition of alcohol round 2?

How about abortion? The numbers are staggering.

You can play that game all day and start with Hollyweird and the constant death-porn they pump out of their sewage dump.


16 posted on 12/17/2012 8:03:09 PM PST by Condor 63
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To: Condor 63

No. You missed it. We obviously need to ban cars!!!


17 posted on 12/17/2012 8:07:41 PM PST by Mom MD (Liberals are slinkies. Good for nothing but they make you smile when you push them down stairs.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"“Why do we as a society tolerate these massacres in increasing numbers?” "

The Episcopal Church is all hunky-dory with murdering millions of babies each year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_abortion#The_Episcopal_Church

The Episcopal Church

The Episcopal Church in the United States of America has taken a pro-choice stand and has passed resolutions at its triannual General Convention that supports abortion rights, but believes it should be used "only in extreme scenarios." The church opposes any government action that limits abortion rights, including parental notification.[40] The ECUSA also condemns violence against abortion clinics.[40] The Church does express opposition to "abortion as a means of birth control, family planning, sex selection, or any reason of mere convenience."

18 posted on 12/17/2012 8:11:29 PM PST by matthew fuller (Newt for the next Speaker of the House!)
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To: Mom MD

The greatest cause of unnatural (violent) death in the last 100 yeard has been citizens killed by their own leftist governments. Estimates vary, but 150 million seems to be the median estimate from my observations. Those doing the killing claimed to be “for the poor” just like right now. Bam-bam’s friend Billy Ayres talked to the communist chinese and they told him he would need to kill 25 million to get his goal of communism in the USA to work. That was about 10% at the time. Now 10% would be over 30 million. Fast and Furious shows 0bama does not care about human life. Orchestrated crisis is only just starting.


19 posted on 12/17/2012 8:19:41 PM PST by MtnClimber (I did not vote for 0bama, someone else did that!)
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To: Condor 63

Oh you can’t add abortion to the list because according to liberals, its OK to murder your babies as long as its the mother doing the killing. Remember, abortion is a “right”


20 posted on 12/17/2012 8:20:28 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Tailgunner Joe; All

This is the dean of the EPISCOPAL “National” Cathedral folks, his female bishop is more Buddhist than Christian—and neither he nor her has any idea at all what the cross is about...and they openly commit perjury every service when they recite the creeds.

The very fact that a sermon would strongly advocate one side of a contentious political debate—ie, they are making politics “theology” is utterly ridiculous. These folks wouldn’t know the Gospel if He were born a baby in a manger...


21 posted on 12/17/2012 9:06:24 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because the real world is not digital...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Episcopal Church has advocated gun control for many years.

Along with normalizing homosexuality and a few other bits of highly questionable logic.

22 posted on 12/18/2012 4:12:35 AM PST by tbpiper
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Abortions in the United States

Total number of abortions in the U.S. 1973-2011: 54.5 million+

234 abortions per 1,000 live births (according to the Centers for Disease Control)
Abortions per year: 1.2 million
Abortions per day: 3,288
Abortions per hour: 137
9 abortions every 4 minutes
1 abortion every 26 seconds

These statistics include only surgical and medical abortions. Because many contraceptive measures are abortifacients (drugs that induce or cause abortions), it is important not to overlook the number of children killed by chemical abortions. Since 1965, an average of 11 million women have used abortifacient methods of birth control in the United States at any given time. Using formulas based on the way the birth control pill works, pharmacy experts project that about 14 million chemical abortions occur in the United States each year, providing a projected total of well in excess of 610 million chemical abortions between 1965 and 2009.

When conducting research on abortion statistics, you may also encounter two different sets of numbers. One set is from the Centers of Disease Control (CDC) and the other is from the Guttmacher Institute, the “independent research arm” of Planned Parenthood Federation of America.

The Guttmacher Institute totals are actually the more accurate since the Institute conducts private research on abortion providers throughout the country and because not all states are required to report to the CDC. In fact, California and New York, where high numbers of abortions occur, are not included in CDC figures.

Planned Parenthood’s income break-down for 2009-2010 fiscal year

PP clinic income: $320.1 million
PP donations revenue: $223.8 million
PP Government grants and contracts: $487.4 million
Total profit: $18.5 million
Total income: $1.05 billion

2010 Planned Parenthood service numbers

Number of abortions (medical and surgical): 329,445
Total number of abortions per week: 6,335
Adoption referrals: 841
Ratio of adoption referrals to abortions: 1 per 392

2011 PP Annual Survey

Total number of PP clinics: 749
Total number of PP clinics that perform surgical and medical abortions: 322
Total number of affiliates: 82

Other Information

Highest number of PP clinics: 938 in 1995

U.S. Total Females, Age 15-44 (According to 2010 U.S. Census)

Whites: 58.3% (36,399,198)
Blacks: 14.2% (8,897,793)
Hispanic or Latino: 19.0% (11,845,024)
Other: 8.5% (5,303,843)

TOTAL: 62,445,858

U.S. Women Who Obtained Abortions in 2008 (According to Center of Disease Control)

White: 52.4%
Black: 40.2%
Other: 7.4%

TOTAL: 825,564

U.S.Women Fertility Rates (According to the National Center for Health Statistics)

In 1990: White: 1.85
Black: 2.55
Hispanic: 2.96

In 2010: White: 1.79
Black: 1.97
Hispanic: 2.35

Last updated July 26, 2012:

http://www.all.org/nav/index/heading/OQ/cat/MzQ/id/NjA3OQ/

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23 posted on 12/18/2012 5:10:50 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is a man speaking for a dying church. The NRA probably has more Christian members than this man’s gay church. It’s a Marxist social club. Christians beleive in protection of the innocent from predators. The madmen of Marxism feel unsafe in this enviornment.

How are they going to break all those eggs to arrive at their atheist utopia if the millions of targets can shoot back?


24 posted on 12/18/2012 6:29:29 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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