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Perry: Let teachers carry guns in wake of massacre(TX)
theeagle.com ^ | 18 December, 2012 | AP

Posted on 12/18/2012 4:21:10 AM PST by marktwain

Texas Gov. Rick Perry indicated Monday that he supported allowing teachers and administrators to carry concealed handguns in response to the Connecticut school massacre that left 20 children dead.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; perry; secondamendment; teachers; tx
A promenent politician shows some common sense and cojones.
1 posted on 12/18/2012 4:21:15 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

promenent should be prominent


2 posted on 12/18/2012 4:22:32 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

EXACTLY!

After 911, we put ‘sky-marshalls’ in our planes. Why NOT let, at least the responsible gun enthusiasts in any school faculty carry? They can put em through special ‘safety’ training, certify them, whatever, but for goodness sakes, REPLACE those “Gun-free zone” signs with “Protected by anonymous armed personnel” signs.

The kooks will go somewhere else to rampage. Guaranteed.


3 posted on 12/18/2012 4:27:49 AM PST by joethedrummer
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To: marktwain

And if that is a bridge too far for the libertards how about either a taser or pepper spray locked in a container in the desk of teachers and front office personnel? My understanding is several individuals tried to rush the shooter and all were cut down for their efforts.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 4:28:59 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: marktwain

Nationally, teachers resist common sense because the profession is under control of the Leftist NEA and it does not fit with the Leftist Political Agenda. Hence we have this Political Correctness disease in our schools and universitites.

In Texas it is not totally entrenched, there are alternate teacher’s organizations.

And the vast majority of Texans are for the maximum personal liberty and strongly support the 2nd Amendment.


5 posted on 12/18/2012 4:29:28 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Portcall24

You cannot reason with most liberals on this. They live in a fantasy world where simply declaring schools to be gun-free zones somehow makes them safer. They loathe basic concepts of self-defense and would rather have dead kids to exploit than live ones that grow up to think for and take care of themselves.


6 posted on 12/18/2012 4:32:32 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: marktwain

Here is a legislative proposal:
Let the teachers at each school decide if they want to arm. Couple this with school vouchers so parents can decide if they want their kids going to an armed school or gun free school. If teachers do not want to arm then parents should be allowed to volunteer.

Great platform for 2014!


7 posted on 12/18/2012 4:40:13 AM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: joshua c

Excellent thought.


8 posted on 12/18/2012 4:56:48 AM PST by marktwain
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To: joshua c

Why let the teachers decide? Let the school board (the people) make that decision and if the teachers don’t want to teach in a gun protected school they can go elsewhere.


9 posted on 12/18/2012 5:00:25 AM PST by slag (reelect nobody)
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To: marktwain
Well, that's mighty nice of him, but my twins graduated last year, and they knew of at least 6 teachers that were 'CAAT'....carrying at all times.

When I asked one of the teachers about it, he told me the Marines had MADE him carry a gun for over 20 years, and he wasn't about to sacrifice himself or his students just because some 'pecker-headed' school district couldn't comprehend the 2nd Amendment.

LOL!

10 posted on 12/18/2012 5:09:52 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of secession)
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To: marktwain

Hey Perry, IIRC you are the Governor of Texas, quit flapping your jaws and make it happen.

There are laws on the books that would have to be modified, modify them instead of standing in front of a mic creating sound bites.

You need volunteers from the public, you could get them, just have to ask for them. Hey, could use these same volunteers to secure the border too.

Just flapping his jaws like always. Nothing will happen.


11 posted on 12/18/2012 5:21:38 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: slag
Why let the teachers decide? Let the school board (the people) make that decision

Because no one person or group of people have the legitimate authority to make such a decision for another person.

It's called an individual right for a reason.

12 posted on 12/18/2012 5:23:43 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of secession)
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To: Texas Fossil
You would be surprised at the number of conservative teachers on each campus. I have worked in K-6 schools for 20 years and there are a handful of teachers at each school that would definitely carry to protect the kids.

Often times, the conservatives keep rather quiet about their politics. I, on the other hand, am a loudmouth and that's how I always find out who agrees with me.

13 posted on 12/18/2012 5:30:04 AM PST by CAluvdubya (We're doomed....)
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To: MamaTexan

School boards make decisions all the time that affect the safety of the kids.


14 posted on 12/18/2012 5:32:57 AM PST by slag (reelect nobody)
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To: CAluvdubya
In our local public school I expect 75% of the teachers are conservative.

Am also confident that are a number of Conceal Carry license holders already among them.

Allowing concealed carry on school property is a logical change.

15 posted on 12/18/2012 5:38:25 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil

I totally agree! Teachers should carry. There is no better way to protect our children!


16 posted on 12/18/2012 5:52:04 AM PST by CAluvdubya (We're doomed....)
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To: CAluvdubya
I, on the other hand, am a loudmouth and that's how I always find out who agrees with me.

:-)

17 posted on 12/18/2012 5:55:32 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: joethedrummer; marktwain

Yes, I am all for ‘anonymous carry’ by the schoolteachers, principals, and office personnel.

Put a sign up too.

If any would be shooter is capable of understanding that sign it may deter that portion of the perp population.

The armed personnel would take care of the rest.

(gov. Perry is my governor, and I’m glad he came out and said that.)


18 posted on 12/18/2012 6:15:07 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: eartick

Texas legislature only meets every two years (they do less damage that way. Luckily the next session begins in January. The thing to do is just amend the current law that restricts conceal carry on schools and universities. There is a precedent for this- at one time you couldn’t carry in churches in texas-but they did away with that restriction via amendment.

We need to pressure the legislatures in texas now- the libs generally fight pro-gun measures by stalling them until the session is over. If people push hard the legislature is too afraid to accept these stalling tactics.


19 posted on 12/18/2012 6:16:17 AM PST by rmichaelj
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To: slag

Good point!


20 posted on 12/18/2012 6:19:27 AM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: slag
School boards make decisions all the time that affect the safety of the kids.

True, but we weren't talking about general rules, but the specific one of having the inalienable Right to defend ourselves and those around us, and the acknowledged, 'enumerated' right to do so with a firearm.

Do you think the government has the legitimate authority to draw 'lines in the sand' around our Rights?

21 posted on 12/18/2012 6:19:43 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of secession)
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To: marktwain
It is unacceptable to permit the faculty of mega-schools to be defenceless and unable to protect themselves and our children entrusted to their care.

But this thought seems to be ignored.

On the other hand, I don't think this problem would arise in either home-schooling or one room school systems.

A very fine teacher once gave me a very cogent argument for one room school systems versus the mega-school campus. (One room to 8th grade. Then trade school or college prep for those who go on. "Graduates" of the current system, on the average, probably don't have the equivalent attainments of the 8th grader of 100 years ago. Those that don't go on provide the unskilled labour force, but they could always gain further education later on if motivated to.)

Not only that, the mega-school is an artifact of an outmoded 18th century mechanistic socio-political viewpoint (aka socialism). The giant school system is based on the model of mass-production and interchangeable parts ala Eli Whitney.

I suppose that is an OK system for cookies. But it is no good for people. A cookie cutter education is not an education.

There are many other considerations of what is wrong such that these monstrosities occur, but this is, imho, one element.

22 posted on 12/18/2012 6:44:46 AM PST by hfr (Liberalism is a moral disorder that leads to mental disorder (actually it's sin))
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To: rmichaelj

Texas State Senator Dan Patrick may be the goto guy on CHLs for teachers. All of his staff have their CHLs and carry every day.

I would get hold of his office and see what he is prepared to do this session.


23 posted on 12/18/2012 7:00:02 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: MamaTexan; marktwain

Fact is, there are more than a few teachers in Texas already packing, whether the local school board. city, state or federal government likes it or not. Given the fact that the public school system caters to illegals and associated gang activity, I would be packing too if I were teaching in one of those hellholes.


24 posted on 12/18/2012 7:12:42 AM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: marktwain
IMHO they need to lift the restrictions on CHL holders on school properties period.

For my job, I have to go do inspections of schools, mostly in less than stellar neighborhoods, and I hate having to disarm to do it.

25 posted on 12/18/2012 7:56:47 AM PST by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: buffaloguy
According to Students for Conceal Carry on Campus, in 2011 the following legislators put forward bills for college campuses, they would likely also be the ones to push for conceal on schools in 2013: ■Representative David Simpson (R-Longview) ■Senator Jeff Wentworth (R-San Antonio) ■Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland) ■Representative Van Taylor (R-Plano) ■Representative Lance Gooden (R-Athens) ■Representative Joe Driver (R-Garland)
26 posted on 12/18/2012 8:29:36 AM PST by rmichaelj
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To: eartick

Attacking Perry is silly.

Answer me this: How come the Harrold ISD in Texas has let its teachers conceal carry on campus ever since 2008. I have even heard its Superintendent interviewed on a radio talk show about the local district policy.

IF, IF this was against the law of the state of Texas, wouldn’t the state have stopped the Harrold ISD from doing this?

I haven’t followed the current state law, but I had always had the impression that it was a federal law creating “gun-free school zones”. I could have misconstrued that, but that aside, I have not heard a single soul claim that Harrold ISD is violating the law and should be stopped.


27 posted on 12/18/2012 9:44:08 AM PST by txrangerette ("hold to the truth...speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: marktwain

I suggest the real crime at Sandy Hook was no guns in the school to keep the shooter from killing those children. The answer for state legislatures in to require 3 licenced teachers or administrators to maintain their weapons in that school in a special safe with the combination known only to them and the superintendent of school. We must see that those teachers are licensed and trained. Ex military should be favored in selection. To have a gunless response was a criminally negligent act in the schools. There is nothing more precious than our beloved children and we must be ready to defend them.


28 posted on 12/18/2012 9:47:46 AM PST by willowdean
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To: eartick

So, were you intending to claim that Perry had to do something to change state law or else THESE FOLKS need to be stopped and/or jailed??

Hmmmmm?????

Texas school (and others) have armed teachers, administrators, reject “gun free” attitudes

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2969565/posts


29 posted on 12/18/2012 9:50:58 AM PST by txrangerette ("hold to the truth...speak without fear". (Glenn Beck))
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To: txrangerette

Do you have a concealed carry license? Can you carry on a campus?

Let me answer this for you....NO you can not.

So evidently you do not have a CCW and do not follow the law. I do not know have Harrold ISD gets around it or if they are just blowing smoke.

So if Senor Perry want Joe Citizen that has a CCW (which he eluded to in his jaw flapping) to be able to carry on a school campus, HE and our elected officials MUST amend the laws on the books.


30 posted on 12/18/2012 1:46:57 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: eartick
There are laws on the books that would have to be modified,

Here in West Virginia, modifying laws on the books is a job for the Legislature, not the Governor. Perhaps you do things differently in Texas ...

31 posted on 12/18/2012 1:52:01 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

The Governor initiates what happens in the legislature. If you think he just sits around and waits for bills to pass and be signed, I believe you may be mistaken.

Of course, in West Virginia they may do things differently, perhaps. We expect our Governor to do something.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 2:57:04 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: eartick
The Governor initiates what happens in the legislature.

Which has led to no end of mischief.

We expect our Governor to do something.

I'm all in favor of federalism ... each state should be different.

I wouldn't mind, actually, if our Governor spent all his time sittin' on his front porch pickin' his banjo ...

33 posted on 12/18/2012 3:16:53 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Dang, I may move to West Virgina and run for Governor if that was the case.

Cannot play the banjo but I can learn....

Met one of your Governors in a hotel one time. He was having a party. A bud and I invited ourselves on over. Free booze and loose women. Back in the mid 90’s. Heck of a good time was had by all. My bud had to use the in flight bag on the trip home the next morning several times.


34 posted on 12/18/2012 3:40:43 PM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Portcall24

My idea is to have gun in a locked compartment right next to every fire alarm. Have one sound for a fire alarm, one for storms and one for cooks with guns. When the trained teachers, trained janitors and maybe even trained students here gun shots they run to the nearest station, unlock the gun and go kill the bastard.


35 posted on 12/19/2012 12:01:30 AM PST by Terry Mross ( I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Portcall24

My idea is to have gun in a locked compartment right next to every fire alarm. Have one sound for a fire alarm, one for storms and one for cooks with guns. When the trained teachers, trained janitors and maybe even trained students here gun shots they run to the nearest station, unlock the gun and go kill the bastard.


36 posted on 12/19/2012 12:20:16 AM PST by Terry Mross ( I don't watch the "news". Someone ping me if anything big happens.)
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To: Terry Mross

You could even tie the safes together electronically, so if one was opened, the special “prep with a gun” alarm would sound.


37 posted on 12/19/2012 12:24:09 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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