Skip to comments.Chuck Todd : If your kid’s playing “Halo” for 3 hours a night, make sure he doesn’t have a problem
Posted on 12/18/2012 5:33:57 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Via Mediaite, I like this clip because it captures the essence of the Do Something gun-control impulse, even though Todd's not talking about guns. The "Halo" games have sold 50 million copies worldwide. Microsoft estimates that people collectively have spent five billion hours playing them. Violent crime has been declining for 40 years and mass shootings are no more common now than they used to be. I'd bet that, if anything, video games reduce violent crime by providing an innocuous outlet for thrill-seeking. But who cares? The point of Do Something isn't to craft a policy response carefully tailored to why Lanza and other rampage killers did what they did and how they did it. It's to throw whatever you can think of at the problem and see what sticks culturally and legislatively, no matter how many innocent people might be snared by your "solution." Lanza evidently loved violent video games. So do millions of kids who, unlike him, don't have severe mental problems. But isn't hassling your perfectly normal 12-year-old over “Call of Duty” a small price to pay for maybe possibly kinda sorta reducing the odds of a school shooting by an infinitesimally marginal amount? If you care about Sandy Hook, then the answer can only be yes. You do care, don’t you?
Before that, you’ll find WaPo’s Chris Cillizza wondering why the two sides of this issue seem to want the public to choose between total prohibition and “doing nothing.” Can’t we just have a “reasonable debate”? But we did have a debate. The left lost. And they lost for good reasons. Partly they lost because they couldn’t answer questions like these satisfactorily, and partly because, when push comes to shove, people know there just isn’t much that can be done:
You can, to be sure, name one or two things that might make a marginal difference: ban extended-capacity magazines, and require background checks for private sales. As a proponent of reasonable gun control that in some ways goes farther than current rules (I’d like to require that people pass a shooting and gun safety test before they can own a gun), these rules don’t strike me as crazy.
But we are back to generic solutions. These “reasonable controls” would not, in fact, have done much to stop the horror at Newtown; Lanza’s problem was not that he didn’t know the four rules of gun safety, or that his aim was bad. And Lanza didn’t buy the guns, so a background check would not have stopped him…
Reducing the magazine sizes seems modesly more promising, but only modestly. It takes a few minutes of practicing to learn how to change a magzine in a few seconds. Even if you banned magazines, forcing people to load the gun itself, people could just carry more guns; spree shooters seem to show up, as Lanza did, with more guns and ammunition than they actually need. In this specific case, it might well not have helped at all. Would Lanza really have been gang-rushed by fast-thinking primary school students if he stopped to reload?
Reducing the body counts a bit is obviously a very worthy project; I am okay with outlawing magazines that contain more than ten bullets. But this will in no way prevent people from going on murderous rampages. We are not talking about an end to spree killing, only about a (perhaps) very slight reduction in its deadliness. And if you ask how I can possibly know this, the answer is that we did ban these magazines for ten years, between 1995 and 2005, as part of the “Assault Weapons Ban” that some would now like to bring back. During which time there were a number of tragic massacres, including those committed by Kip Kinkel, Michael Carneal, and the Columbine killers. Overall gun deaths fell, but they’d been falling before. When the AWB expired in 2004, they stayed steady.
That’s Megan McArdle, who notes that Lanza “had all that you could wish for in terms of resources” for his mental-health problems and who ended up on a rampage anyway. What kind of law can you pass to deter a guy like that? How can you know the disturbed mind well enough, as a legislator, to have a sense of how it’ll respond to incentives? I had a terrible thought earlier while reading this Robert Wright piece about how we should ban semiautomatics and limit Americans’ gun choices to six-shooters, if only to prevent mass murderers from firing off 10, 20, 30 bullets without having to stop and reload. If we did that, would future spree killers become less deadly on average or more deadly as they decided that their only option was to use more lethal weapons or to choose softer targets? Mass shootings might have lower body counts, but maybe there’d be an uptick in arsons or bombings. Maybe, instead of going to the mall or the post office, a mass murderer with a revolver would calculate that he had to target victims who couldn’t stop him while he paused to reload, which means more little kids in the crosshairs. I honestly don’t know. The calculus is wretched and hallucinatory. And yet this is the sort of question you get into when you try to read to the mind of a murderous loon.
But look. With this issue even more so than with other issues, a huge part of the stubbornness and vitriol comes from cultural divisions and suspicions about the other side’s motives, not from policy disagreements. I understand the left’s point about high-capacity magazines; banning them might very well drop the death toll at some of these horrors. It’s not crazy to think so. The best counterargument is the slippery-slope argument and I’ve never thought much of slippery-slope arguments outside the free-speech context. The truth, though, is that I don’t trust them and find the media groupthink on this subject endlessly irritating. It takes a lot to get a New Yorker to stick up for rural America, but their disdain for “gun culture” is often transparently a function of their disdain for rural culture. The One’s condescending bitter-clinger remarks were a classic expression of it. Much of the mindless “gun control” table-pounding without specifics feels like an ostentatious way for the table-pounder to simply show how much he/she cares, especially vis-a-vis the heartless conservative. And the flailing panicky vacuousness of the Do Something response, however understandable in the aftermath of Sandy Hook shellshock, grates especially coming from the self-styled Party of Science. As Tim Carney noted earlier, some of Our Moral Superiors who are pounding the table for “gun control” can’t even tell you what a semiautomatic or an “assault rifle” is. They’ve shown no compunction about demagoging other mass shootings for their political ends, no matter how thin the evidence was to support their conclusions. We were presented on Friday with a very unusual, very specific fact pattern from a mass killing committed by someone with a very unusual, very specific set of mental problems, and yet the big “scientific” recommendation tonight on MSNBC was to keep an eye on your kid in case he’s shooting too many aliens on the Xbox. You’re duty bound to lay aside your personal dislike for the other side and not let that stop you from supporting a policy they champion if you believe it’s correct (which is how I manage to maintain my support for gay marriage despite lots of irritation with the left there too), but these are the sorts of cultural hurdles you have to clear to get to that. Exit question: If we’re going to start arbitrarily hassling people who happen to share an interest with Adam Lanza on the off-chance that it contributed even a tiny bit to his rampage, how about instead of hassling gamers, we hassle vegans instead? Nutritional deficiencies can weaken the mind, y’know. Do something!
Those who are stupid enough to listen and believe the scum that infests the Demonic Party’s propogandist media machine are the ones that have the problem.
SO IF WERE GOING TO HAVE A NATIONAL CONVERSATION ON GUNS, HERE ARE SOME OPENERS:
Why do people who favor gun-control call people who disagree with them murderers or accomplices to murder? Is that constructive?
Would any of the various proposals have actually prevented the tragedy that is the supposed reason for them?
When you say you hope that this event will finally change the debate, do you really mean that you hope you can use emotionalism and blood-libel-bullying to get your way on political issues that were losers in the past?
If youre a media member or politician, do you have armed security? Do you have a permit for a gun yourself? (Im asking you Dianne Feinstein!) If so, what makes your life more valuable than other peoples?
Do you know the difference between an automatic weapon and a semi-automatic weapon? Do your public statements reflect that difference?
If guns cause murder, why have murder rates fallen as gun sales have skyrocketed?
Have you talked about Fast and Furious? Do you even know what it is? Do you care less when brown people die?
When you say that we need to change, how are you planning to change? Does your change involve any actual sacrifice on your part?
Let me know when youre ready to talk about these things. Well have a conversation.
Chuck Todd : If your kids playing Halo for 3 hours a night, make sure he doesnt have a problem
Riiight.... Meanwhile Connecticut Chief Medical Examiner H. Wayne Carver states that we did not bring the bodies and the families into contact, we took pictures of them.
If you believe this, check yourself and make sure you don’t have a problem.
The islamics have been pushing jihad videogames forever, there’s hundreds of them, and they’re big moneygrabbers for the genociders.
Many times, they’re just western games pirated and kitted out with new graphics. Don’t see western copyright holders doing anything about it, though.
Why do we cede this territory? Do we require a civics test before people vote? Do we require English Comp courses before people write? Do we require Toastmasters membership before people speak in public?
Individuals are responsible for exercising their individual right responsibly and accepting the consequences if they don't. I would argue that irresponsible voting and reckless journalism ultimately cost more lives than one nut with an AR. It may not be as immediate or visible, but it is every bit as fatal.
If my kid is watching your show, he has a problem.
Are Hollywood actors yapping about gun control turning down roles in shoot-em-ups?
So what is your solution?? You think some of these games should be banned???
Who is Chuck Todd and how did he get in my living room un-invited? That’s a justifiable shooting offense in my house.
Excellent points all.
I’d say SSRI’s are a much bigger problem. My boys have always played a lot of Halo and Call of Duty and are hardly anti-social.
Not a chance in a million I’d allow them to be placed on a psychotropic.
I play Call of Duty that much sometimes and I don’t have fantasies of gunning people down.
Of course not.
But you might want not to turn a blind eye to muslim copyright thievery for nefarious purposes.
Here is some honest discussion. How about the fact that most of the gun violence occurs in minority urban areas? If you took all the violent gun stats from those areas out of the equation the USA would have about the same rate of gun violence as more white cultures like Germany and Canada. We’re constantly compared to them when it comes to gun violence and gun statistics. Yet the make up of their society is quite different than ours but, nobody talks about this. Canada, France, Germany do not have a big black and Hispanic population but we do especially when you combine let say the Mexican and black population. It’s a sizable minority and, those two groups are responsible for most of the gun violence in our country. Regardless of the white male mass shooter that happens every once in awhile most gun violence happens among young black males, followed by young Hispanic men in the US.
It really is it's moot point anyway, the Supreme Court ruled in 2011 in "Brown Vs. Entertainment Merchants Association" that Video Games (violent or otherwise) were protected by the first amendment the same as books, art or any other media and therefore could not be regulated by either the state or the federal government. (the case involved California trying to ban the sale of certain violent video games).
I'd bet they don't. The culture is totally lost in sex and violence. Satan has his way...
Uh.. what show is that??
If your kids playing Halo for 3 hours a night, make sure he doesnt have a problem.
Your points definitely hit the mark (no pun intended). The right to bare arms IMHO is God given. The right to protect oneself and his/her family also God given. If the government has the ability to “test” someone prior to “allowing” them to have a firearm.. imagine what can exclude a person? Church going Christian? No.. you can’t have one. Conservative political, social, economic views? No, you can’t have a gun. Have children? No, you can’t have a gun.
I only mention this because look around the world at what cultures are most violent. African and Hispanic. Mexico, Countries within Africa etc.
So the people here who are descendants of these cultures are violent here in the US as well. Not shocking especially since we are forbidden to assimilate them into western culture on which the US was built, and assimilate them into the western value system. As this is seen as being bigoted or whatever.
Next time some liberal rambles about how Germany, France or Canada keep this in mind. Combined the black and Hispanic population in the USA is what, 25 percent?
Anyway, here’s just a few examples of the genre:
>>So what is your solution?? You think some of these games should be banned???<<
Parental involvement might be novel.
If your child has a personality disorder and you do not completely secure your firearms, YOU quite likely will have a problem.
On the other hand, not listening to UpChuck Todd and the libtards for 3 hours a night is probably better for the “child’s” mental health.
I have never killed any real Indians or a Japs. I don't hate or have any animus toward either. How can this be? I have personally killed thousands of plastic and imaginary Indians and Japs. (Union soldiers too).
Why haven't I killed any six year olds?
I went to the Redbox last night and noticed how many games they are now renting. All of these games had a common theme how to kill people in different ways. Does anyone think this is good for the mind and soul? Spending hour after hour in a virtual world killing and maiming...anyone?
Probably not. I’ve played a great deal of 1st person shooters before, and personally I found them both boring and offputting. Much neater games out there.
No accounting for taste, though.
No it isn't, and any good parent shouldn't let their children play them, (unfortunately we know that their are many if not a majority of parents that just don't care). The point I was making was the people talking about banning these games are just spitting in the wind, because the Supreme Court has already sunk that ship. You manage to get a ban passed in you town or state, it will be struck down by a federal court so fast it will make your head spin.
Got a graph for that?
If a kid was playing Halo three hours a night, I’d buy them a paintball gun and encourage him and his online Halo buddies to go run in the fresh air, raise a sweat and learn some real tactics, as well. Plus be reminded in a nominal way that getting hit is a painful experience.
Id say SSRIs are a much bigger problem. My boys have always played a lot of Halo and Call of Duty and are hardly anti-social.
Not a chance in a million Id allow them to be placed on a psychotropic.
I agree. My 17 year-old son plays those games all of the time and I guarantee hed never gun down actual people. And he has a lot of friends.
Boys and young men are attracted to those games; it must be something primevalthe thrill of the hunt, something that is lost today.
The Wonder of Boys is a great book that I read when Chris, my son, was a toddler. Boys need their fathers, or a father figure (who was apparently missing in this case); they also need challenges, physical or otherwise.
And youre rightIIRC, the Columbine shooters, at least one of them, were on anti-depressants.
I haven’t played in years but really enjoyed Tom Clancy’s “Splinter Cell” when it came out about 10 years ago.
Yes, you shot people in the game but the focus was more on spy tactics and skill rather than killing. It had no gore except for the occasional pink mist.
I’m not saying they should be banned but people that play some of the mindless HD killing games for hours and hours do worry me
Paintball! That is an awesome idea. Fresh air, exercise. We’re probably going to get some snow, but I will look into this. It could be a really fun activity during Christmas break, if it’s open.
Anyone who’s ever watched ‘The King of Queens’—it’s a pretty funny episode when Carrie, Doug, Deacon and Kelly go on a paintball outing. Save the fried chicken, Doug! LOL.
It's a stupid waste of time to debate something that is impossible.
Leaving aside the 1st Amendment issues, you can no more ban violent video games than you can ban porn. You're trying to ban electrons.
Gaming has moved from PCs to console gaming, and it would be possible to ban "violent" console games (lots of fun drawing the line, though - is a fighter flight sim OK, but a first person shooter not?).
However gaming would just move back to PCs. There are lots of first-person shooter PC games and lots of people out there skilled at "modding" (creating your own game/levels based on a given set of software.)
You'll just have people in Belarus cranking out first person shooters and selling/giving away them on the internet, with no conceivable way of stopping it.
And those games will probably end up more violent in terms of content than the console games today.
And if you kid has an Obama bumper sticker on his bicycle you’ll know he has a problem.
At our local high school, Halo was THE game the students in the same graduating year as Lanza were playing every spare moment of the day and night. Several in the top of the class. How did they turn out? There’s the one who attends a Christian university and was in Africa this summer doing his missionary. There’s one who gave his life for this country and it’s freedoms in Afghanistan. There are two who are studying computer tech. Another one is in ROTC and just got his contract in the Army. Several are in college studying business, the health field and a couple want to be teachers. All either own guns or know how to shoot. Yeah, being around guns and playing Halo really were bad influences on them.
I take it you hated the ruling.. To me it was good..
the writer stated that “mass shootings” are no more common today than in the past, but a good article/oped in today’s wall street journal pointed out that for the past three decades, that while mass shootings as a whole are not more common, RANDOM mass killings of unexpected innocents has increased, higher in the 1990s than in the 1980s and higher in 2000s than the 1990s
those trends are counter to the gun control legislation and statistics, by which all the “suspected” “mass killing” guns were more available and more easily available in the 1960s than today
two of the biggest changes over the same period of time while gun control has been increasing are (1) an increase in how lax ivoluntary commitment on mental health grounds has become and (2) how extensively and universally the media has insured eternal fame to any deranged mass killer wannabe, no matter where they live
if your life has been a tortuous mental journey leading to and always in dead ends, you can be rest assured you will be forever world famous - almost instantly today - if you take your revenge on life out on as many strangers as you can, fatally that is
instead of railling against the injustice of “this cruel world” inside an institutional environment, the mentally troubled are free to show the real world just how angry they are
that, not any manner of guns is the real problem
Absolutely true and well written. The world stage awaits because journalists cannot wait to endlessly talk about those that wantonly kill. Children slaughtered? All the better the story.
If my kid is watching your show, he has a problem.
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