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America Doesn’t Need Gun Control, It Needs Lunatic Control
frontpagemag.com ^ | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 12/18/2012 5:52:29 AM PST by expat1000

Here are some excerpts from a compelling piece written just this year. Madness, Deinstitutionalization & Murder (hat tip I Own the World.)

For those of us who came of age in the 1970s, one of the most shocking aspects of the last three decades was the rise of mass public shootings: people who went into public places and murdered complete strangers. Such crimes had taken place before, such as the Texas Tower murders by Charles Whitman in 1966,1 but their rarity meant that they were shocking.

Something changed in the 1980s: these senseless mass murders started to happen with increasing frequency. People were shocked when James Huberty killed twenty-one strangers in a McDonald’s in San Ysidro, California in 1984, and Patrick Purdy murdered five children in a Stockton, California schoolyard in 1989.

For a while, it was fashionable to blame gun availability for this dramatic increase. But guns did not become more available before or during this change. Instead, federal law and many state laws became more restrictive on purchase and possession of firearms, sometimes in response to such crimes.

Nor has the nature of the weapons available to Americans changed all that much. In 1965, Popular Science announced that Colt was selling the AR-15, a semiautomatic version of the M-16 for the civilian market.

The Browning Hi-Power, a 9mm semiautomatic pistol with a thirteen-round magazine, was offered for sale in the United States starting in 1954,  and advertised for civilians in both the U.S. and Canada at least as early as 1960.

If gun availability does not explain the increase of mass public murders, what else might?

Clayton Cramer points to deinstitutionalization.

At least half of these mass murderers (as well as many other murderers) have histories of mental illness. Many have already come to the attention of the criminal justice or mental health systems before they become headlines. In the early 1980s, there were about two million chronically mentally ill people in the United States, with 93 percent living outside mental hospitals. The largest diagnosis for the chronically mentally ill is schizophrenia, which afflicts about 1 percent of the population, or about 1.5 percent of adult Americans.

A 1999 study found that 16.2 percent of state prison inmates, 7.4 percent of federal prison inmates, and 16.3 percent of jail inmates, were mentally ill. As of 2002, about 13 percent of mentally ill state prison inmates nationwide had been convicted of murder.

In the 1960s, the United States embarked on an innovative approach to caring for its mentally ill: deinstitutionalization. The intentions were quite humane: move patients from long-term commitment in state mental hospitals into community-based mental health treatment.

John Linley Frazier was one of the first such examples. Like many other schizophrenics, he first exhibited symptoms in his early 20s. Fixated on ecology, after a traffic accident he became convinced that God had given him a mission to rid the Earth of those who were altering the natural environment. Frazier’s mother and wife recognized how seriously ill he was, and tried to obtain treatment for him, but he refused it.

Patrick Purdy, a mentally ill drifter, used his Social Security Disability payments to buy guns, while having a series of run-ins with the law. After one suicide attempt in jail in 1987, a mental health evaluation concluded that he was “a danger to his health and others.” In January 1989, Purdy went onto a schoolyard in Stockton, California with an AK-47 rifle, murdered five children and wounded twenty-nine others, before taking his own life.

Federal prosecutors held back for a few days from indicting Laurie Wasserman Dann in May 1988 for a series of harassing and frightening phone calls—and in those few days, she went on a rampage, killing one child in an elementary school, wounding five children and one adult, and distributing poisoned cookies and drinks to fraternities at Northwestern University.

Buford Furrow was a member of a neo-Nazi group in Washington State. Conflicts with his wife led her to take him to a mental hospital, where he threatened suicide and “shooting people at a nearby shopping mall.” He threatened nurses with a knife. At trial, he told the judge about his mental illness problems and suicidal/homicidal fantasies. The judge refused to hospitalize Furrow, sending him to jail instead. Released within a few months, Furrow went to Los Angeles in August 1999, where he acted out the fantasy that he had earlier told the court: he shot up a Jewish community center, wounding five people, and murdering an Asian-American mail carrier nearby.

There is a long list of similar cases which point to the fact that the problem isn’t the availability of assault rifles, it’s the failure to lock up the violent mentally ill because of intervention from groups such as the ACLU.



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1 posted on 12/18/2012 5:52:34 AM PST by expat1000
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2 posted on 12/18/2012 5:53:23 AM PST by expat1000
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To: expat1000
America Doesn’t Need Gun Control, It Needs Lunatic Control

Yup. And most of them are in Washington.
3 posted on 12/18/2012 5:54:45 AM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: expat1000

God bless those babies. I am just sick about them.

I used to work as an attendant at a NY State mental hospital back in the 60s. Most of these places are closed now. The left said it was against those people’s constitutional rights to warehouse them.

There was a reason for such places.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 5:55:54 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: expat1000

5 posted on 12/18/2012 5:56:33 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Vaquero

You mean the left never offered to take any of the ousted institutionalized patients home with them?


6 posted on 12/18/2012 6:00:38 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Vaquero

You mean the left never offered to take any of the ousted institutionalized patients home with them so they could show us all how they should be treated?

Imagine that.


7 posted on 12/18/2012 6:01:31 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: expat1000

bttt


8 posted on 12/18/2012 6:02:37 AM PST by petercooper
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To: expat1000

Self Defense + 2nd Amendment = Lunatic Control (removal)


9 posted on 12/18/2012 6:03:31 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: expat1000

Is there really an asylum big enough for all the socialists and islamists?


10 posted on 12/18/2012 6:04:34 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Thorliveshere

“...America Doesn’t Need Gun Control, It Needs Lunatic Control

Yup. And most of them are in Washington...”

Part of the PLAN


11 posted on 12/18/2012 6:06:29 AM PST by kimtom (USA on the Brink, Now Falling over the edge)
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To: expat1000

http://www.cchrint.org/tag/violence/


12 posted on 12/18/2012 6:09:53 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: expat1000

I see Saul Alinsky’s Rules For Radicals are now fully in play. Indentify the target. Isolate it. Whip up mass hysteria and animosity towards the target. The target of course is gun rights-—the Second Amendment.

This morning on the news I heard the following stories: Hedge funds planning on onloading shares of firearms manufacturers, big chain stores to drop various types of firearms, polls show more people favoring stricter gun control, legislation being introdruced in Congress. NOT ONE SINGLE NEWS STORY ON THE REAL CULPRIT BEHIND ALL OF THESE MASSACRES: MENTAL ILLNESS.


13 posted on 12/18/2012 6:12:58 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: expat1000

.......Or rather the NEED for repentence and return to God and the realization of the reality of “spiritual warfare” between Heaven and Hades.


14 posted on 12/18/2012 6:14:32 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: expat1000
I do think that gun control would have helped in the Connecticut situation: Mrs. Lanza should have controlled her guns better, kept them locked up away from her disturbed son. Ultimately, what might have helped was more son control.

I am more in favor of government control than gun control.

15 posted on 12/18/2012 6:14:46 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (America needs more government control.)
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To: Travis McGee
Gasoline should be banned. If only we used wind and solar power, no one would have died.</sarcasm>
16 posted on 12/18/2012 6:15:26 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Mental illnesses = demonic control.


17 posted on 12/18/2012 6:16:03 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
The ACLU’s war on mental health institutions is a sad fact.
A state insane asylum, closed for decades, stands less than two miles from the Sandy Hook shooting scene.
18 posted on 12/18/2012 6:17:53 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: expat1000

IMO, this is as futile an argument as the gun control one is.

Most mentally or emotionally challenged people do not show a penchant for violent actions and no one can predict when the line will be crossed into darkness and evil, if ever.

Are we going to institutionalize everyone with autism, or Asperger’s, or any other mental or emotional condition just because they have that condition?

If people do show a tendency toward violence, then the warning signs are there and action to restrain that person should be taken.

But that’s not going to prevent a Sandy Hook, just like more gun control laws won’t.

I don’t think that arming school personnel is the answer either. Their job is to teach. It’s the duty of parents and law enforcement to protect children.

The only precaution that might have prevented a scenario just like Sandy Hook was better school fortification. It will cost money, but all doors and windows should be locked and bulletproof and there should be an armed guard present at all times (this is already the case at many troubled schools).

Now that doesn’t prevent an inside job (teacher going on a rampage, e.g.) mall shooting, or a movie theater shooting, or a workplace shooting. Nor does it prevent someone with a truckload of explosives from parking near or driving into a school building.

But it would have helped in this case and it doesn’t infringe on any individual rights.

If parents do not like having their children go to a “prison” for a school, they can choose a private school (also not immune from a mass murderer) or home school. I don’t like going to a courthouse, or an airport, or any other place where they give you an anal exam, but I have a choice just as parents can choose how and where their children are schooled.


19 posted on 12/18/2012 6:25:33 AM PST by randita
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To: randita

Caveat to Post 19. Re going to a courthouse - sometimes you don’t have a choice if you are a participant in a hearing/trial or have to report for jury duty.


20 posted on 12/18/2012 6:28:40 AM PST by randita
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To: randita

The reality is that, all of us, because of our fallen human nature, can very well commit acts of great evil. We also have free will. We can either serve God or the Enemy.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 6:30:39 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Charles Henrickson

we still dont know how Mrs Lanza stored her guns and how her son got them

I don’t think any of us can imagine living with and loving, for 20 years, a damaged emotionless unfeeling child who may have NEVER shown any tendency to violence except against himself (cutting and burning)

He has been described as near genius and obviously a cunning meticulous planner, so that would make him hard to control as he made a secret murderous suicide plan

She obviously trusted her child enough to sleep behind an unlocked door in their home, and she paid the price by being his first victim


22 posted on 12/18/2012 6:31:29 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: expat1000

why don’t the networks interview all the neighbors of this dirtbag and see what they say

Just like The idiot in Tucson who shot and killed a lot there were NUMEROUS incidents where the police were involved, and on TV after the shooting one person even said that he was never arrested before because his mother worked for the government and “there would be trouble”

SHE should also be held responsible for those deaths.

Who was in volved in Lanza’s life? was he ever arrested? institutionalized? With all the money paid to all these government bureaucrats, didn’t ANY OF THEM see this kids was a nutjob? Or did none of them ever notice?

It is fundamental incompetance either way. Why do we have so much government if it cant spot nutjobs like this?


23 posted on 12/18/2012 6:33:02 AM PST by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: randita
Yes, I have been wondering when schools will start adding bulletproof “panic rooms” and reinforced escape tunnels, assuming even armed security guards can be caught off balance and be the first murdered by a kid with this level of intelligence and planning

No matter how hard you try to predict and deflect evil it just will never be foolproof, the terrorist and the insane only have to get lucky once, the rest of us have to be prepared or just plain lucky all day every day

24 posted on 12/18/2012 6:37:10 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: expat1000

‘Never let a crisis go to waste...’


25 posted on 12/18/2012 6:41:40 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: expat1000

‘Never let a crisis go to waste...’


26 posted on 12/18/2012 6:41:40 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: silverleaf

“I don’t think any of us can imagine living with and loving, for 20 years, a damaged emotionless unfeeling child who may have NEVER shown any tendency to violence except against himself (cutting and burning)”

Maybe subconsciously or not, she had those guns in case her kid decided to turn on her. He did. The mistake, she didn’t get to them first.


27 posted on 12/18/2012 6:42:58 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Biggirl

I don’t deny for one minute the devil and demonic forces are at work. However, Adam Lanza was clearly severely mentally ill. The symptoms were there.

I know about this issue personally and up front. I have a very close person in my family who is mentally ill. Hospitalized six times so far. But it is catch and release with these mental hospitals. They get the patients back on their meds and then release them after a short period. And then worst of all....the hypa laws.....when you call the doctor to find what is really wrong, what the diagnosis is, what the medication is, what the treatment is......they tell you NOTHING bunless the patient signs a release (good for only one year) no matter how close the patient is to you. THIS IS THE REAL ISSUE WHICH NEED TO BE ADDRESSED-—these crazy laws on mental illness. Read the WSJ this morning-—there is an article on this very topic. It nails it: Gun violence is way down in this country. It is the laws and policies on mental illness which need to be addressed in this nation. Guns are not the problem....it is the truly sick people out there not getting the attention they need. The good news is this: The treatment and meds have VASTLY improved over the past few decades. The tough part is getting the patient to stay on his meds and keep his up his doctor’s appointments.


28 posted on 12/18/2012 6:44:03 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: expat1000
America Doesn’t Need Gun Control, It Needs Lunatic Control

Unfortunately America is going to get GUN CONTROL because the far left has taken over the RAT party and now control it lock stock and barrel (Soros' "Reform" (or: How George Soros Bought the Democratic Party) , http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1143722/posts)


We have sent true conservatives to the District of Corruption to STOP the insanity the RATS are putting this nation through and who do we have leading the charge? The biggest RINOs on the planet, who incidentally also uses the RAT media to brag about his negotiating skills with his RAT opposition, when in fact he and the leaders achieve not even on tenth of what they promise us. In a sense I understand when people say there is no difference between the two parties.

29 posted on 12/18/2012 6:49:10 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: expat1000

There are people who are crazy and violent. Either put them in controlled rooms or kill them before they kill you.

PS Applies to Muslims, too.


30 posted on 12/18/2012 6:50:16 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: expat1000

We don’t need a pacification culture, we need a warrior culture.

In a warrior culture, every child is required to participate in learning to defend themselves, there family, and their community.

How many parents find karate lessons useful for their child’s discipline and as a healthy group activity. I think every house of worship should have someone teaching a martial arts class to anyone who wants to learn, especially children. Kids with emotional disorders would be identified early, interacting in a physically active group discipline might help some of their issues. In addition, it brings people together in church, especially those who would not ordinarily show their face in church, not only for worship but to interact as a community. Many churches could become headquarters for an outreach of conservative ideals and fomenting conservative activism.

I would expand on that my teaching not only how to maim with the hands, but how to heal with the hands. When training progressed to the stick, and how it extrapolates into the knife, cane, sword and staff, let kids also learn to take tools in their hands to work and build as an equal part of the classes, help maintain the homes of the aged. And after they’ve learned to work together in discipline and compassion in all these fields, there should be the basic hunter’s safety course and introduction to using a weapon to feed your family.

I don’t know how many people would actually make an effort with something like this, but I’m convinced it would be beneficial.


31 posted on 12/18/2012 6:50:41 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: expat1000

I haven’t followed this story closely at all, yes it is a tragedy. Now the gun control nuts are out in full force to ban assault weapons, big clips, etc.

Wasn’t the shooter using a pistol? I am not sure how much of this was released by the police, but I thought I had read that he was.

The insane will always find a way to be destructive. More rules or bans won’t stop them but only hamper efforts of citizens to protect themselves.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 6:50:45 AM PST by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: expat1000

People are freaking out about Newtown, Conn. Just wait till they get a load of the revolution.


33 posted on 12/18/2012 6:52:06 AM PST by Mashood
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To: flaglady47

I think you may be right

She had an underlying fear for her own life, maybe was projecting it into a “SHTF” scenario

but her real nemesis was a person she gave birth to and loved and felt protective of and responsible for, even if for 20 years he never once loved her back

It is a horrible life she lived. Can’t fault her for being a bit “off” in her preception of reality

I have read that the rest of the family has not yet even claimed her body (nor Adams)- that says a lot


34 posted on 12/18/2012 6:52:27 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

But remember, all forms of illnesses do come from the enemy, be it physical or mental. God wants to heal us and restore us to fullness of health.


35 posted on 12/18/2012 6:55:21 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Mental illnesses = demonic control.

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OK. I will say right up front that I could not be in greater disagreement with you. Personal experience with a family member’s bipolar disorder tells me something quite different, in a phrase, chemical imbalance. If you want to attribute that to demons, OK.

How would you propse, given your thesis that mental illness is really demonic control, treating those under demonic control?


36 posted on 12/18/2012 7:00:43 AM PST by dmz
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To: randita

“I don’t think that arming school personnel is the answer either. Their job is to teach. It’s the duty of parents and law enforcement to protect children.”

More errors in fewer lines than I have seen in quite a while, hence the deconstruction of those errors.
1. “I don’t think that arming school personnel is the answer either.”

Got something against some 40 years of 100% sucess in preventing school attacks?

If not, consider that the Israel had an attack by Muslims (who else) and decided that watching their children being thrown off the roof of the school and dying a crumpled mass of bloody tissue was not going to happen again.

They armed their teachers and the older students.

From 1973 to today, not one school attack occurred - can you now comprehend the message of arming teachers?

2. Parents and law enforcement can’t arrive in time, but armed teachers are there already.

By not disarming teachers, you no longer force teachers to confront an armed killer as did the helpless Jews in Germany.

Conclusion: The premises in your posted sentences are faulty, the conclusions are therefore invalid.

May I suggest you need to revise your premises.


37 posted on 12/18/2012 7:01:22 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: dmz

Please see post number 35. Thank-you.


38 posted on 12/18/2012 7:07:52 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: All

what happens with those who have temporary mental issues? something like lead poisoning or a tumor?

Do we take away rights forever because of a temporary medical issue?

Do we REALLY want left wing doctors ruling on who does or does not have second amendment rights?

This all ties into Obamacare.

Once in, EVERYTHING becomes a medical issue.

“its for the children...”


39 posted on 12/18/2012 7:08:30 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: dmz

Plus healing and restoration must be a joint effort as well.


40 posted on 12/18/2012 7:10:20 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: dmz

A joint effort between the medical and the spiritual help resources.


41 posted on 12/18/2012 7:12:28 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: expat1000

mental health train wreaks bump for later.......


42 posted on 12/18/2012 7:23:20 AM PST by indthkr
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To: expat1000
America Doesn’t Need Gun Control, It Needs Lunatic Control

FINALLY! Someone in the major media is saying this.

I've been saying it for decades and decades and decades. Pretty much my entire adult life since the bleeding heart liberals started closing down the Mental Institutions in the 1960's and putting the Insane People On The Streets -- "because they have rights".

43 posted on 12/18/2012 7:27:19 AM PST by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

bttt


44 posted on 12/18/2012 7:32:23 AM PST by petercooper
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To: Mr. K

>Who was in volved in Lanza’s life? was he ever arrested? institutionalized? With all the money paid to all these government bureaucrats, didn’t ANY OF THEM see this kids was a nutjob? Or did none of them ever notice?<

His fellow classmates all reported they were in no way surprised Lanza turned out to be the individual responsible for the massacre.

That said, until he began that massacre, authorities had nothing upon which to act. And, due to the “security” plan at the school, there wasn’t even a can of pepper spray with which those adults could fight back.


45 posted on 12/18/2012 7:33:21 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: expat1000
It Needs Lunatic Control

Short of locking these people up, there's a tech solution:

Tag them with RF transmitters, and make sure schools and other public places can recieve the signal.

Sadly, many of these people need to be on a permanent "watch list" - and the worst of them should simply be locked up until new drugs (schizophrenia) or other treatments can be found to help them.
46 posted on 12/18/2012 7:34:10 AM PST by indthkr
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To: expat1000

Emanuel calls for ‘vote of conscience’ on assault weapons ban

BY FRAN SPIELMAN City Hall Reporter fspielman@suntimes.com December 17, 2012 1:08PM

Chicago Police Superintendent Garry F. McCarthy, at news conference Monday, November 26, 2012. l John H. White ~Sun-Times

Updated: December 18, 2012 8:45AM

Mayor Rahm Emanuel called Monday for a “vote of conscience” on an assault weapons ban in the wake of the Connecticut school massacre but Police Supt. Garry McCarthy said it would be like “putting a Band-Aid” on a cancer without a companion ban on high-capacity magazines.

And Gov. Pat Quinn on Monday renewed his call to ban the sale and possession of semi-automatic assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

http://www.suntimes.com


47 posted on 12/18/2012 7:35:20 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Mashood
Just wait till they get a load of the revolution.

Just a dream - never happening with this culture. If we were back in 1812 Americans would want to just keep negotiating with the enemy. We know who the enemy is, and they are right here on our soil, running our schools and all branches of our Fed Gov
48 posted on 12/18/2012 7:42:49 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: expat1000

Unfortunately, lunatic control would necessitate rounding up everyone in government, as well as the entire Democratic Party.

Not really practical.


49 posted on 12/18/2012 7:43:08 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: listenhillary

Thursday, July 26,2012

Mental health care, not gun laws

By Pamela White

In the aftermath of the Aurora theater massacre, we’ve seen an understandable, if misguided, call for tighter gun control, including a renewed ban on “assault weapons.”

But since the suspect in this case broke a great many laws to carry out his mass killing, including acquiring an extended magazine for his AR-15, it’s hard to say what we’ll gain by making it harder for citizens to own weapons.

As Gov. John Hickenlooper told CNN, “I’m happy to look at anything, but if there were no assault weapons available, and no this or no that, this guy is going to find something. He knows how to create a bomb, and who knows where the mind would have gone.”

Where there’s a sick will, there’s a way.

What people aren’t talking about in this case is the need for an overhaul of our mental health system. Since our goal ought to be preventing future tragedies like this one, not just passing feel-good legislation that has little real impact, perhaps our focus ought to be on the problem that likely caused the alleged perpetrator James Holmes to kill: mental illness.

http://www.boulderweekly.com/article-9309-mental-health-care-not-gun-laws.html


50 posted on 12/18/2012 7:44:19 AM PST by KeyLargo
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