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Obama asks Cabinet members for proposals to curb gun violence
Washington Post ^ | 12/18/2012 | By Scott Wilson and Philip Rucker

Posted on 12/18/2012 6:48:22 AM PST by SeekAndFind

President Obama on Monday began the first serious push of his administration to attempt to reduce gun violence, directing Cabinet members to formulate a set of proposals that could include reinstating a ban on assault rifles.

The effort will be led by Vice President Biden, according to two people outside the government who have spoken to senior administration officials since Friday, when a gunman killed his mother and rampaged through Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., killing 20 children, six adults and himself.

The tentative steps ended a paralyzing debate within the administration over how hard to pursue gun-control legislation, which has been a politically perilous issue for many Democrats. There were signs Monday, however, that such fear was abating on the Democratic side of the aisle.

Democratic Sens. Harry M. Reid (Nev.), Joe Manchin (W.Va.) and Mark R. Warner (Va.) made clear that Congress should consider a range of options to address the issue; all three have been strong supporters of gun rights. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.) said she would introduce legislation that would reimpose the assault-rifle ban that lapsed in 2004.

“We need to accept the reality that we’re not doing enough to protect our citizens,” Reid, the Senate majority leader, said after a moment of silence on the chamber’s floor. “In the coming days and weeks, we’ll engage in a meaningful conversation and proper debate about how to change laws and culture that allow this violence to continue to grow. . . . And every idea should be on the table.”

But any significant gun legislation would require support from leading Republicans, none of whom joined Democrats on Monday in outlining specific changes they might consider.

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1 posted on 12/18/2012 6:48:32 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Like we don’t know what their answers will be.


2 posted on 12/18/2012 6:49:40 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: SeekAndFind

As if any of his cabinet could find the sum of 1+1 without paying for a clue.

(By the way, 1+1=4, for large values of 1 as 1 approaches 2.)


3 posted on 12/18/2012 6:51:25 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: SeekAndFind

To determine how they are going to answer,
start from the end goal and work backwards....

Ultimate goal: total subjugation of the citizenry
#1 obstacle: and armed citizenry


4 posted on 12/18/2012 6:53:33 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I can see this comng from DHS:

first, classify all military veterans and TEA Party activists (aka bitter clingers) as mentally ill and unable to purchase weapons


5 posted on 12/18/2012 6:55:54 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: SeekAndFind
Considering the commie loons in his cabinets, I'm guessing the suggestions will be.

1. Ban all private gun ownership!

2. Declare martial law a seize all guns in private hands!

3. Do it by executive order, Ignore the Supreme Court Ruling.

6 posted on 12/18/2012 6:55:59 AM PST by apillar
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The government doesn’t have to do more to protect us. They just need to allow us to protect ourselves. Allow folks to carry concealed or open as they prefer, without harassment.


7 posted on 12/18/2012 6:59:57 AM PST by fruser1
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I'd ask a different question.

Mentally ill suburban Caucasian males are responsible for how many murders each year versus completely sane urban African American and Hispanic males between the ages of 15 and 35?

8 posted on 12/18/2012 7:00:18 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why doesn't Obama ask his father the Devil to have his evil bothers curb their evil ways then the whole thing will be taken care of..
9 posted on 12/18/2012 7:00:53 AM PST by PLD
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To: silverleaf

Criminalizing self defense contributed to the Sandy Hook massacre.


10 posted on 12/18/2012 7:01:35 AM PST by TheDon (Criminalizing self defense contributed to the Sandy Hook masssacre.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Soon there will be a legal battle on just how far any President can go with an “executive order”. There is no chance the liberals can get the type of bill they really want through congress. In facr most Democrats if the truth be told would prefer note to vote on such a measure. However the Federal bureaucracy reports to the President. If he directs FBI, DEA, BATF to start collecting guns, they will. It will precipitate a big fight in the courts and possibly some violence.


11 posted on 12/18/2012 7:01:35 AM PST by allendale
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To: Da Coyote

And 1*1 = 2, for very large values of 1, as well!


12 posted on 12/18/2012 7:02:32 AM PST by MortMan (I will be true to my principles.)
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To: Da Coyote

FWIW I can see the writing on the wall and I sold my AR-15 yesterday for about $150 more than what I had in it. I seriously doubt that there will be a “grandfather clause” in the new AWB. They will ban them all across the board and I figured that I might as well get my money out of it before it became “worthless.”


13 posted on 12/18/2012 7:02:48 AM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
let's see, there were 12,664 murders in 2011. Of those, 323 involved any kind of rifle (the FBI, conveniently, doesn't keep stats on Assault rifles specififcally). Furthermore, the vast majority of the gun violence was perpetrated by blacks and Mexicans, most of whom probably couldn't pass a background check to legally purchase a firearm.

Clearly depriving law abiding white men of semi automatic rifles will have the largest impact in decreasing the murder rate in America.

14 posted on 12/18/2012 7:05:03 AM PST by RC one (FU liberals.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“We need to accept the reality that we’re not doing enough to protect our citizens,”

Can we get rid of the DHS then? If that wasn’t enough, how many gd billion dollar departments do you need?


15 posted on 12/18/2012 7:05:34 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Da Coyote

My bet? Within 1 year there will be major strikes across the country by the police for higher salaries and more cops on the street.

Obama will form an anti-crime task force who will recommend another layer of bueurocracy. This will turn into a National Police Force tasked with conviscating illegal weapons and weapons considered to be “assault rifles.” They will do this by requiring a national registry of gun owners and tapping into that.

First order of business will be to go after militias in this country. Followed by a direct political and media attack on the NRA and the Tea Party. This will be followed by additonal laws and executive orders requiring states to put in place buy back plans or lose federal funding.

You all laugh. If Republicans lose the house in 2014 and the senate goes to 60 Democrats, this is going to happen. Add to that a UN Mandate on handguns as well as the continued purge of our military leadership and this becomes a reality.

If I was a narcissistic, white hating, middle class hating Marxist with a race card and media to hide behind and very wealthy backers who are funding this, I would do this in a heartbeat.


16 posted on 12/18/2012 7:05:54 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: SeekAndFind
"The empty vessel makes the loudest sound."

- Shakespeare

17 posted on 12/18/2012 7:07:32 AM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: silverleaf

Don’t give them any ideas.


18 posted on 12/18/2012 7:10:42 AM PST by esquirette ("Our hearts are restless until they find rest in Thee." ~ Augustine)
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To: JPG
“Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.” ― Edmund Burke Start the counter-attack……write, call and fax Senate and Congress…. http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml has mailing addresses and e-mails. http://www.conservativeusa.org/links/complete-email-fax-list/?/mega-cong.htm has faxes (efax is free for first 20 faxes a month) and phone numbers in excel and cvs files.... Does anybody else have any suggested weapons for the digital battlefields of our rights?
19 posted on 12/18/2012 7:13:07 AM PST by Lowell1775
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To: SeekAndFind

then is he going to start pushing for getting families back to how they were, raise their kids as we used to.

Parents being there for their kids and raising them with morals, resepct, hard work and not about me me , me.

He and his fools have attacked the traditional family for decades and now can;t handle what they have sown, no they have to push their agenda even more.

Their chickens have come home .

How about telling parents that marriage is one man and one woman, a child is better off wiht a man and a woman, start raising their kids instead of givng a]them all they want but neevr giving them good advice.

Is now mental problems a child growing up with no guidence, by the age of 6 and 7 he;s a brat but the mother tries to talk instead of discipline.
By the age of 11 he;s acting up so lets take him to a shrink so he can ten state how it;s alright to show emotion, how it;s OK to be different and just express themselves.
By the age of 18 he;s in the real world, can;t handle it because he;s been told all his life how great he is and how he can express himself.

Hell we;ve even got hate laws, anti bully laws to allow freaks to act up now and all in the name of expressing themselves.

By age 20 mother can;t understand how her son is an idiot, why no job and why he;s sits playing vdeo games all the time.

That is now called mental illness, no it;s lazy parenting\

come on obmaa listen to Ronald Reagan and his speeches about family had work, religion, listen ot JFK about what they can for this country and then promote the family


20 posted on 12/18/2012 7:13:27 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SeekAndFind
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21 posted on 12/18/2012 7:13:42 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: SeekAndFind

Did he by any chance call in the chief of police for Chicago and find out about black gang violence and the multiple murders and shooting there lately? Naw. Too much to ask.


22 posted on 12/18/2012 7:13:51 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They can’t track down 20 million+ ILLEGALS but they think they can track down 300+ million guns?

Good luck with that fellas!

Remember this, there are more of us than there are of them.


23 posted on 12/18/2012 7:16:20 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Sooth2222

the left promoted this modern parenting, a woman does not need a guy, no father and mother in the same place etc.

They wanted social change and they got it.
Since when is mental problems is a kid which never had guidence, by age 7 is now a brat, by age 11 he;s off the wall and by age 18 thinks no one can tell him what to do and he does not have to go by the rules of life.

I see obama never cries for those kids in his city dying evrry night in gangs and over drugs


24 posted on 12/18/2012 7:16:20 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SeekAndFind

“A civilian security force, just as we’ll armed, just as we’ll funded.” Obama in 2008

They get military rifles now, but we won’t?

How about that.


25 posted on 12/18/2012 7:18:24 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: SeekAndFind

A moron asks a bunch of pinheads to solve a complex problem - you see where that strategy has gotten us on the debt.


26 posted on 12/18/2012 7:18:46 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (America 2012 - What Would Our Forefathers Do?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Pro 2nd Amendment forces need to get together and have our own talking points.

Always refer to our side as pro 2nd amendment, never let them hang the “pro gun” label on us.

Start screaming on talk shows, “What guns would they ban that would have helped at Sandy Hook? The shooter used hand guns not assault weapons. So the only logical conclusion is you people are after hand guns and this is a first step.”

Push that if they really wanted to do something they would act on bills that will help right now, security alarms, mace, tasers in the schools. We want help now so they need to stop advancing their political agenda and get these schools some real help.


27 posted on 12/18/2012 7:20:42 AM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: gop4lyf

WTF? Playing right into their hands. Instead you should practice that timeless Texas motto of “Come and Take It!”. I am glad the guys at Goliad and the Alamo didn’t feel that way.

They can come get mine if they want but it won’t be fun.


28 posted on 12/18/2012 7:21:09 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind

POLL TO FREEP

SHOULD CONGRESS BAN SALE OF ASSAULT RIFLES TO CIVILIANS?

http://www.nwitimes.com/

Scroll down right side of page.


29 posted on 12/18/2012 7:24:39 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: SeekAndFind
Methinks 0bama should ask Rahm Emmanuel how he is reducing gun violence in Chicago.

Oh, wait...

5.56mm

30 posted on 12/18/2012 7:25:05 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: MortMan
for very large values of 1

ummm, which 1??
31 posted on 12/18/2012 7:25:36 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: gop4lyf
Must I put your spine limper than Warner's and Machin's....at least they sold out for lucrative jobs and popularity amongst their "kind"....do you really only value your birthright at $150? Peace of Jesus to you brother, but man up. No one will get to sit this one out....if your claim is really just a red herring to hold out to the agents when they come to your house and you bow to lick their boots.....beg to be passed over. It won't work. It never does. What will you think of yourself then? No arms. No honor. No hope. “Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” FIGHT now when it is cheap and easy. “Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.” ― Edmund Burke Start the counter-attack……write, call and fax Senate and Congress…. http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml has mailing addresses and e-mails. http://www.conservativeusa.org/links/complete-email-fax-list/?/mega-cong.htm has faxes (efax is free for first 20 faxes a month) and phone numbers in excel and cvs files.... Does anybody else have any other suggested weapons for the digital battlefields of our rights other than sell it for more than you got in it?
32 posted on 12/18/2012 7:25:59 AM PST by Lowell1775
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To: SeekAndFind

There is no gun violence without a violent person using it. Fools


33 posted on 12/18/2012 7:26:19 AM PST by Logical me
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To: SeekAndFind

Why doesn’t he ask his Cabinet for suggestions on how the Government can spend (far) less money than it did last year? That would be a much more productive use of their time.


34 posted on 12/18/2012 7:26:33 AM PST by USNA74
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To: SeekAndFind

And all the gangsta rappers?


35 posted on 12/18/2012 7:27:01 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: SeekAndFind

They don’t meet with the Cabinet


36 posted on 12/18/2012 7:28:26 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: RC one

interesting stat and something which again this corrupt left wing media will ignore.

The left attacked traditional family values at about when social decline went down, coincidence, NO.

They are now reaping their new social engineering and still they refuse to go after their lack of morals, Hollywood, promoting divorce, discipline, hard work, mother and father as marriage.


37 posted on 12/18/2012 7:29:44 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SeekAndFind

So much for the NRA’s little alphabet rating.


38 posted on 12/18/2012 7:31:24 AM PST by Sybeck1
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To: SeekAndFind

I’d wager there will be an angle along the way concerning ammo as well. Like, no more online ammo sales, volume limits, FMJ only, serialized casings and bullets to make the prices much higher. Etc.


39 posted on 12/18/2012 7:32:34 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: M Kehoe

The final solution to the gun control question, just like good ole uncle Adolph.


40 posted on 12/18/2012 7:33:09 AM PST by Busko (The only thing that is certain is that nothing is certain.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lisa Jackson will propose using the Clean Air Act to go after rifle smoke as a “toxic emission”.

Ray LaHood will propose all guns be required to be equipped with a black box and an air bag.


41 posted on 12/18/2012 7:37:02 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Lowell1775

Never said that I got rid of all of my “arms.” So I chose to deal with it my way, while I still legally can. So what? Talk is cheap on an Internet message board. I never said that I wanted to sell it either, but reality is what it is. 0bama is pretending that he is asking his Cabinet for “ideas” on how to go about implementing gun control. This is pure political theatre. He has known for years what kind of Draconian measures he would enact if given half a chance.


42 posted on 12/18/2012 7:41:30 AM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: SeekAndFind
obama all the guns
43 posted on 12/18/2012 7:48:11 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yeA_kHHLow


44 posted on 12/18/2012 7:52:12 AM PST by shooter223 (the government should fear the citizens......not the other way around)
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To: gop4lyf
I'm less and less enamored with high tech weapons over the years anyway.

Military or hunting weapons with internal mags - pump, lever, or semi-auto - are not classified as “assault rifles”, at least currently, and strike me as much more reliable than the high tech stuff. They, and the low tech AKs and SKS (internal mag!), will be running long after the AR-15s are a distant memory, IMO.

When SHTF, whether government forces or hoodied zombies, ain't no way to get replacement parts of have an available gunsmith to keep the high techs running. And, as the sergeant said in We Were Soldiers, when the time comes, there will be lots of those weapons lying around by their fallen owners if you want one.

My eyesight and manual dexterity, coupled with other aspects of growing old, also make certain weapons more practical than others. They also make any thoughts of going out on extended ops or maneuvers rather silly, and there is no organized group of fellow “soldiers” to practice such ops with anyway. I see mostly defensive guerrilla tactics when the time comes, not pitched battles, nor urban house clearing, at least not for me. Where I live in the Northwest rain-forest, visibility is limited - iron sights do me fine (and after SHTF, the batteries will die on the high tech sites).

For a handgun, I'm a 1911 fan. Small capacity mags, yes, but they won't be banned as easily at first, and I see the pistol as a side arm anyway, a backup weapon, not a primary defensive or offensive weapon.

45 posted on 12/18/2012 7:54:27 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: combat_boots
<“A civilian security force, just as we’ll armed, just as we’ll funded.” Obama in 2008

The commercials on the radio lately for the National Guard recruiters have been using the term "Citizen soldier" to refer to themselves.

Kind of spooky if you ask me.

46 posted on 12/18/2012 8:19:02 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lock up the criminals and the crazies. Problem solved.


47 posted on 12/18/2012 8:20:54 AM PST by lodi90
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To: SeekAndFind

One can tell what their real motive is just by the words they use.

They don’t want to curb crime or even criminal violence.

They want to curb “gun” violence.

Now the problem is that much of gun violence is a good and noble thing as when someone saves an innocent live by having a gun on their person. By doing so they may eliminate s cancer on the population.

By curbing gun violence they see other types of criminal violence as OK apparently.


48 posted on 12/18/2012 8:21:52 AM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Obama should ask respected World leaders for gun ownership guidelines...leaders of North Korea, Cuba, China, etc.

Def. of insanity (same as Dem ideas): Ban guns for a portion of the people...say, “gun free school zones” to create sitting ducks...then when the eventual nut job comes and shoots the sitting ducks, repeat the idea but with a larger segment of the population.

Actually, the Govt should unilaterally set the example by disarming any and all Govt employees, to include cops (they shoot innocents by mistake); military (they shoot innocents); and Secret Service and related security personnel (the President needs to lead by example).

Also, no guns or armed body guards (i.e. Bloomberg, Feinstein, etc) as that sets a bad example.

Try that for say, 10 years and at the end of 10 years, evaluate.


49 posted on 12/18/2012 8:25:00 AM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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To: apillar

I double dog dare them to do that.


50 posted on 12/18/2012 9:03:56 AM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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