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Disastrous Gun Law Sparked School Shootings
Gun Watch ^ | 19 December, 2012 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/18/2012 8:19:23 AM PST by marktwain

From 1900 to the late 1990’s, there were no mass school shootings. Lest it be thought that guns were uncommon in schools, that was not the case. Guns were commonly brought to school for shooting competitions, hunting after school, for teachers to trade or show to each other or their students, or for show and tell. Guns were even made in shop class under the supervision of the shop teacher. Guns were common in gun racks in pickup trucks in the school parking lot. Even today, many schools provide special dispensation for students to take off from school for deer hunting season.

During the height of gun control fever during the Clinton Presidency, the Congress passed the Gun Free School Zones act of 1990. It was designed to make it impossible for ordinary people to carry guns most places, because it forbid the carrying of guns within a thousand feet of a school. If you overlap the 1000 foot gun free zones that surround schools in most cities and towns, no one can go about their daily business without intersecting one of these zones at some time.

The Gun Free School Zone act was quickly challenged in the courts, and found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court under the interstate commerce clause, in U.S. v. Lopez, 1995. The reasoning was simple: If merely possessing a gun within a thousand feet of a school was interstate commerce, and therefore subject to federal regulation, what could possibly be construed as not interstate commerce? Virtually everything would then be controlled by the federal government. As the Constitution means something, the interstate commerce clause must mean something. If all of life can be controlled by the federal government, the clause means nothing.

President Clinton blew a gasket when the Gun Free School Zone act was found unconstitutional. He fiercely lobbied congress to pass a replica act, slightly modified. He threatened to keep congress from adjourning to go home to run for office if they did not pass the replica act. They passed the new Gun Free School Zone act in 1996. Since then, federal prosecutors have been very careful not to prosecute many cases under the act, not wanting to present the Supreme Court with another test case.

The results of the Gun Free School Zone act’s passage have been devastating. The first mass school shooting occurred in 1997. As prominent researcher John Lott has noted, mass shooters are attracted to defenseless victim zones. While zones that ban armed citizens are a tiny percentage of the nation’s area, according to Lott, only one of the “successful” (four or more victims) mass shootings in the past thirty years occurred outside of a defenseless victim zone (gun free zone).

Why do mass shooters chose defenseless victim zones? Because they want the fame that goes with the media attention that a mass killer gets, and to get the attention, they have to kill a lot of people. If they are stopped by an armed citizen, they lose their chance to make the “record books”, and there is no point in mass killing.

Armed citizens stop about one in ten of mass killings before they become “successful”, but they are rarely mentioned because of this fact. Most of these life saving actions occur outside of defenseless victim zones.

Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens Link

We have a real world counterexample to the Gun Free School Zone act in Israel. Israelis were confronted with a similar problem after the Maalot massacre in the 1970s They responded by allowing teachers, responsible older students, and volunteer parents to be armed in their schools. They have not had a child shot in a school since.

Israeli Solution Article Link

Since the Gun Free School Zone act was passed for the second time in 1996, 13 mass school shootings have occurred. This unconstitutional law has been a disaster and should be repealed.

Dean Weingarten


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The unconstituional Gun Free School Zone act needs to be repealed. It has cost far too many innocent lives already.
1 posted on 12/18/2012 8:19:26 AM PST by marktwain
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2 posted on 12/18/2012 8:20:38 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: marktwain

My high school kept rifles in the basement for use at the target range for the Jr. ROTC. Never a problem. On my last visit to that HS about 5 years ago, they still offer Jr. ROTC and they still march with rifles. I do not know if they are in working order, or not.


3 posted on 12/18/2012 8:24:50 AM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: marktwain
From 1900 to the late 1990s, there were no mass school shootings.

In the late 1970s, the NEA began to experiment with affective education. That is the kind of education designed to change a child's natural affiliation with their parents and turn them into nice little socialists.

In the 1980s, the NEA began mass implementation.

By the late 1990s, students most affected by this particular type of education began to commit mass murder in their schools after becoming successfully disengaged from any mooring that would keep them normal.

Coincidence? I think not.

4 posted on 12/18/2012 8:28:03 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: marktwain

My error: The first sentence should read “mass shooting in schools” not “mass school shootings”


5 posted on 12/18/2012 8:28:56 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Guns were even made in shop class under the supervision of the shop teacher.

When I was in high-school, I made a rather large brass cannon as a Father's Day present.

6 posted on 12/18/2012 8:29:09 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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7 posted on 12/18/2012 8:31:01 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
During the height of gun control fever during the Clinton Presidency, the Congress passed the Gun Free School Zones act of 1990.

Clinton was elected in 1992 and inaugurated in January 1993. Just like he should not have been credited with the economic recovery that begain in March 1991 (the Bush Recovery) we cannot blame him for the Gun Free School Zones act of 1990. Bush should have vetoed this piece of crap.

8 posted on 12/18/2012 8:34:18 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: marktwain
As prominent researcher John Lott has noted, mass shooters are attracted to defenseless victim zones.

For losers like Lonza, its all about "having control." Therefore, they will go to places where people are the most defenseless, and they are assured of "having control." Any chance that they will be frustrated or humiliated even a little bit, would cause them to not consider that place.

Just ask - why do these people never attack police stations?

9 posted on 12/18/2012 8:35:55 AM PST by PGR88
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To: marktwain

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10 posted on 12/18/2012 8:35:55 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: marktwain
My buddies and I brought guns to school all the time during hunting season.

My father in law actually wore a .44 mag on his hip when he taught in Alaska. Usually in the spring and fall when bears often ventured into town.
Early in my teaching career I often brought a gun in my truck during deer or turkey season. Many times I had students as to keep their gun in a closet with a lock in my room. Never a problem, a school shooter would not have lasted long.

11 posted on 12/18/2012 8:37:03 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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12 posted on 12/18/2012 8:39:09 AM PST by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: Slyfox

I can use no words to adequately express the horror of the Newton Massacer. Having said that the expected knee jerk reaction from the press the President and many in the public sector provide nothing more than that, knee jerk reaction. If laws could prevent this sort of senseless violence they would have been passed a long time ago. Laws are made by rational people and they are obeyed by rational people. The problem is not guns and it is not rational people but rather irrational individuals, who, for whatever reason, were not identified as dangerous. In retrospect the signs seem always to have been there but not responded to.
These individuals will always be in our midst and knee jerk reaction laws will not remove or eliminate them from society. It is doubtful that they can be dealt with in any
usefull manner prior to their irrantionality manifesting itself in some horrendous act. And so we placate ourselves by screaming for action, any action, productive or not but action for the sake of action. These events are predictable and some deranged individual will commit another horrendous act sometime in the future, where or when can not be known, but the event is predictable. The answer to the problem? I’m not sure there is an answer.


13 posted on 12/18/2012 8:51:12 AM PST by greyfox (If I were a Democrat I'd be pushing for the fairness doctrine too.)
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To: VRWCmember

George H.W. Bush caused a lot of grief for America in the name of “bipartisanship”, which is simply another name for Republican surrender. His son followed suit, e.g. Medicare Part D. Daddy Bush was all for tax increases. Junior Bush was all for spending. Together they have destroyed the credibility of the GOP on the all important question of “ability to manage the economy”. Sadly, there hasn’t been a fiscal conservative in the White House for 24 year


14 posted on 12/18/2012 8:52:51 AM PST by littleharbour
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To: marktwain

I grew up on a farm in SD close to a small town (1200 pop.), graduated HS in 1980. Most of my friends and I always had at least one gun in our cars or pickups (back window) even on school property (gasp)! And yes, we actually used them for hunting, imagine that. We were far from perfect kids back then, but I believe with all my heart that what we are seeing with these tragedies today have to do with our morals and values as a nation. When did we stop teaching our kids right from wrong?


15 posted on 12/18/2012 8:54:47 AM PST by BibleGunClinger
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To: greyfox
In 1984, I was asked to analyze a "Character/sex education" curriculum. I got a team together and we went over it with a fine tooth comb. Our findings were rather interesting. The program was specially designed to disengage the student from any of the moorings that help a child to grow into an adult, most notably the parents, but also any faith in God. At one point, one member of my team said that he actually felt as though he was staring into the pit of hell as he read through the fifth grade lesson where the teacher was instructed to help the children come to terms with the Andes plane crash and the resulting cannibalism, with questions that kneaded emotions out of the children. Questions like: how would you feel if you and your friends were in a plane crash like that? Would you be able to eat your friends?

I took that program to an old parish priest, the kind of man whose common sense made him someone I just had to talk to. I showed him the very worst pages of the program. He read through it and put his hand on his forehead, sighed deeply and said: "You know you could have five kids go through this and four of them might end up with a few quirks, but that fifth one?" He then just shook his head.

My point is this - there have been programs just like the one I studied in place all over this country since the 80s. It was only a matter of time when those "fifth children" begin to commit acts of mass murder.

What I noticed in 1984 was that these programs were carefully constructed so that no one, not the teacher, the student, nor the parent would have any idea that anything was happening to the student. We were successful at getting the program we studied thrown out. However, we had no way of convincing others as to the danger these kind of "character" programs posed.

So, a perfect ending for the educrats who created this type of education would be for any resulting pandemonium to actually push the result in their favor, as in more gun control, more "health" education.

Yep, it has been a perfect plan.

16 posted on 12/18/2012 9:07:05 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: marktwain

shucks, I always had a shotgun in the trunk of the car during H.S.

I was an early riser, and would usually go out quail or dove hunting before class.

Sometimes I missed class due to the great hunting, and at times only made it to classes because I ran out of shells. I grew up in Phoenix Az.

Course, momma and papa raised us instilling right and wrong and Christian principles in us. A gun is a tool, for hunting and for protecting yourself.

“A vote is like a rifle; its usefulness depends upon the character of the user.” Teddy Roosevelt

that is the problem. We as a nation after years of liberal/socialist/nazi/commie teaching in our schools and in politics, have destroyed “character” in the individual and given us a society of narcissist “characters”.

They have destroyed the family, destroyed freedom, and doing their utmost to destroy the Church.

“if it makes you feel good, do it”

No absolutes, no right and wrong, liberalism creates a society of savages.

bobo


17 posted on 12/18/2012 9:20:34 AM PST by bobo1 (I)
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To: VRWCmember

I’m surprised it took eight posts for someone to catch that.


18 posted on 12/18/2012 9:21:03 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: marktwain

If you want the schools to be safe, then issue firearms to every teacher. Probably ought to be a shotgun, since most liberals won’t know how to aim a rifle and shotguns will get it done.
This will be far cheaper than hiring cops and adding bureaucracy.


19 posted on 12/18/2012 9:21:50 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: marktwain

Thanks for the info. Just say NO to “Defenseless Victim Zones”.


20 posted on 12/18/2012 9:25:58 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: marktwain

Thanks for the info. Just say NO to “Defenseless Victim Zones”.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 9:26:12 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: marktwain

Evil sparked the shooting. You can’t outlaw evil.


22 posted on 12/18/2012 9:29:27 AM PST by crosshairs (Open season on feral governments.)
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To: marktwain

The problem boils down to this: the sheeple have been influenced to stay away from any type of gun and to be afraid of them. Since few are being trained in their use, the problem perpuates itself.


23 posted on 12/18/2012 9:36:43 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: PGR88
Just ask - why do these people never attack police stations?

Arnold did in the Terminator but he was a robot.

24 posted on 12/18/2012 9:40:00 AM PST by USAF80
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To: marktwain
From 1900 to the late 1990’s, there were no mass school shootings.

What about the Grover Cleveland Elementary School (San Diego) shooting in 1979 with the "I don't like Mondays" female perp?

25 posted on 12/18/2012 9:40:09 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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26 posted on 12/18/2012 9:43:04 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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27 posted on 12/18/2012 9:43:22 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: kosciusko51
It was not in the school. It was from across the street, actually, from her home.
28 posted on 12/18/2012 9:44:27 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

You are correct, she wasn’t IN the school, but she TARGETED the school from her home. To say it wasn’t a mass shooting at a school is incorrect.


29 posted on 12/18/2012 9:47:35 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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You are correct, she wasn’t IN the school, but she TARGETED the school from her home. To say it wasn’t a mass shooting at a school is incorrect.

I understand. I made a mistake in the wording in the first sentence. I asked the moderator to correct it, but perhaps they are not allowed to do so. I noted this in post # 5.

30 posted on 12/18/2012 10:17:46 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Fair enough. One thing about that shooting is that the perp’s MO is still strikingly similar to the other later school shootings, but it is also unusual as the perp was female.


31 posted on 12/18/2012 10:21:21 AM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

“they still march with rifles. I do not know if they are in working order, or not.”

They are more than likely non-functional “drill rifles” similar to the “rubber ducks” that’s issued at the beginning of basic training for drill and ceremonies practice.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 10:55:29 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Slaving away so obama supporting deadbeats can play)
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To: DuncanWaring

“When I was in high-school, I made a rather large brass cannon as a Father’s Day present.”

Oh the horror!


33 posted on 12/18/2012 11:16:48 AM PST by Rennes Templar (Be positive: America is greater than Obama.)
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To: marktwain
The Israeli Solution is to Love and protect their children not EAT them !! Image and video hosting by TinyPicImage and video hosting by TinyPic
34 posted on 12/18/2012 11:16:55 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: BibleGunClinger

I graduated in 1962 @ Neligh HS, NE. We carried shotguns in our transportation vehicles in the fall so we could hunt pheasants during the drive home (~ 8 mi.). I took 3 periods of shop my senior year (I had already completed everything else worth taking) and completely sporterized a 98 Mauser 7X57 (I believe it was a Chek CZ). This included turning down the the barrel, turning down the bolt handle, smoothing and polishing all metal, shaping, smoothing, finishing and glass bedding the stock. Result was beautiful. Used it to take a couple of whitetails. The stupidest thing I ever did was to trade it for a 55 Ford when I was 19.


35 posted on 12/18/2012 11:18:33 AM PST by Huskerfan44 (Huskerfan44)
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I graduated in 64, somebody was always bringing their shotguns to shop class to make a new stock.
The industrial arts teacher was a master at making rifle, shotgun and cross bow stocks.
I still have my old cross bow with a self made mahogany stock inlaid with white pine.
Everybody with a pickup had a gun rack.
36 posted on 12/18/2012 11:37:12 AM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: marktwain; sickoflibs; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; Impy; DoughtyOne; All

Breaking on Fox News:

Fear of being committed may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/fear-being-committed-may-have-caused-connecticut-madman-to-snap/

This, evidently, is what sent him over the edge. Mom was in the process of having him committed, and he went ballistic.

At least, that’s the story at the moment.


37 posted on 12/18/2012 2:28:41 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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RE :”This, evidently, is what sent him over the edge. Mom was in the process of having him committed, and he went ballistic.
At least, that’s the story at the moment.”

And that is lesson that should be learned, keep your guns and ammo under your control. She should have had them locked up or offsite.

Those with untreated schizophrenia typically have end of the world delusions, acute paranoia (the doctors are trying to kill me or take out my brain), beliefs that they are God, or Satan, or both. They also can have multiple personalities telling them things and they hear voices telling them things.
And they can be very dangerous to others.

I have seen it first hand and its not pretty.

38 posted on 12/18/2012 6:47:35 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs; marktwain; Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker; Impy; DoughtyOne

Imagine looking at your kid, and knowing that he’s dangerous, and knowing that you HAVE to get him committed to an institution.

You raised him from an infant...watched him grow, and watched something go horribly wrong.

What a damned nightmare...and now his actions - and her inaction - have set in motion a chain of events that could very conceivably result in civil war in this country, because of a group of psychotic politicians...Seems mental illness is a common thread through this whole stinking, rotten episode.

What a f***ed up world we’ve inherited...


39 posted on 12/18/2012 7:39:04 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: VRWCmember
During the height of gun control fever during the Clinton Presidency, the Congress passed the Gun Free School Zones act of 1990.

Clinton was elected in 1992 and inaugurated in January 1993. Just like he should not have been credited with the economic recovery that begain in March 1991 (the Bush Recovery) we cannot blame him for the Gun Free School Zones act of 1990. Bush should have vetoed this piece of crap.

The Gun Free Schools Act of 1990 was indeed originally enacted under George HW Bush, but was found unconstitutional in 1995. (Yes, Bush should have vetoed it in the first place.)

It was subsequently reenacted in 1996 under Clinton.

Gun Free School Zones Act—as reenacted

Originally enacted in 1990 (P.L. 101-647, Sec. 1702(b)(1))

Overturned by the U.S. Supreme Court, April 26, 1995 Re: Federalism; Congress exceeded its authority under Commerce Clause. (U.S. v. Lopez, 514 US 549)

Reenacted by Congress, Sep. 30, 1996 (P.L. 104-208)

Source: GunLaws.com pdf file
40 posted on 12/18/2012 7:55:24 PM PST by Bob
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To: BibleGunClinger
Most of my friends and I always had at least one gun in our cars or pickups (back window) even on school property (gasp)! And yes, we actually used them for hunting, imagine that. We were far from perfect kids back then, but I believe with all my heart that what we are seeing with these tragedies today have to do with our morals and values as a nation. When did we stop teaching our kids right from wrong?

It isn't just that.

When we got our first guns, it was as much a vote of confidence in our maturity, and the responsibility for the use of that firearm safely and wisely was a burden we embraced.

But we saw it, more responsibility as a reward for more maturity.

Kids who aren't raised to be responsible don't see it that way, instead they get a rush of power, not the feeling of that awesome mantle of responsibility and adulthood.

41 posted on 12/18/2012 8:01:44 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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RE :”What a damned nightmare...and now his actions - and her inaction - have set in motion a chain of events that could very conceivably result in civil war in this country, because of a group of psychotic politicians...Seems mental illness is a common thread through this whole stinking, rotten episode.
What a f***ed up world we’ve inherited...”

In northern Baltimore county there is a spring water filled rock quarry that once supplied material for the DC memorial.

In the early 1900s it filled in with spring water and the owner made it a swim club park. I found it in the 1980s with two pools, the quarry itself 80 feet deep (and the area of a small lake) it has two artificial wading areas, two play logs (tied), three wood rafts, a cliff dive/jump, a Tarzan rope and three buoys to spin and flip.

Here is Maryland in the summer it gets like Florida, hot and unbearably humid, but water 80 feet deep stays cool. This place was heaven in those days.

Well everything good must be taken away.

Back in 2001 someone from Columbia Maryland quietly slipped under the water un-noticed and died while swimming with her friends and her parents sued and won big a few mil. She was on tranquilizers but that was not allowed to be told to the jury.

Shortly afterward Baltimore County passed a law requiring a lifeguard every ~ 80 squared feet of water.

About 3/4 of it is roped off now. It is now a hangout for those who used to use the Balt city pools now moved up to the apartments nearby on section 8, they come there just to use the two pools and barbecue unlike those before them who came for the open water swim and fun.

If anyone cant swim then no one is allowed to swim. If anyone cant be trusted with a gun than no-one can (except the gubment of course)

Yes, it sucks!

http://www.beaverdamswimmingclub.com/

Stricter swimming rules proposed(August 07, 2002 )

42 posted on 12/18/2012 8:56:29 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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I found it in the 1980s with two pools, the quarry itself 80 feet deep (and the area of a small lake).

That would be fun place to scuba dive in.

43 posted on 12/19/2012 7:22:49 AM PST by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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To: painter
RE :”I found it in the 1980s with two pools, the quarry itself 80 feet deep (and the area of a small lake).
That would be fun place to scuba dive in.
“ (Beaver Dam balt county)

I recall they used to allow it to be used off season for scuba certification, for $$ I assume.

I would guess its pretty dark down there. In the summer even in the hottest drought the water is cool a foot or so below the surface.

I did mine in a small PA lake 20 years ago that had some buildings and some cars at the bottom, at least there was some light.

44 posted on 12/19/2012 7:31:21 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

I know you would need a wetsuit and a dive light.


45 posted on 12/19/2012 7:49:01 AM PST by painter (Obamahood,"Steal from the working people and give to the worthless.")
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To: sickoflibs

It’s a wonder they didn’t order the place closed down altogether.


46 posted on 12/19/2012 9:41:36 AM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: NFHale; sickoflibs

Horrible.

She was having him committed but didn’t keep the guns away from him.

Well she payed with her life. It’s a shame 20 kindergarteners had to pay as well.

And it will be an even greater shame if the entire country has to pay with our liberty.


47 posted on 12/19/2012 9:44:50 AM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Impy; NFHale
RE:”She was having him committed but didn’t keep the guns away from him. Well she payed with her life. It’s a shame 20 kindergarteners had to pay as well. And it will be an even greater shame if the entire country has to pay with our liberty.”

Well if you heard them plotting on The Morning Joe this morning you would have been scared.

Joe was playing his :”I am a conservative Republican but...”
act.

Mika said that the pro-gun people wont come on the show to debate.(smart)

Steve Rattner said they gotta get it passed NOW while emotions are high.

And plenty of Dems on the show using this to take away guns.

Fortunately the next election id 2 years away.

48 posted on 12/19/2012 10:28:32 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

You’d have to pay me to watch that sonofab*tch.

I might need to buy a new tv every morning.


49 posted on 12/20/2012 12:07:37 AM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: Bob

Thanks Bob. I should have read more before replying.


50 posted on 12/25/2012 6:44:47 PM PST by VRWCmember
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