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Sen. Manchin Stonewalls on Gun Control: 'Honey ... I'm Not Talking to You Anymore'
breitbart.com ^ | 12-18-2012 | Kerry Picket

Posted on 12/18/2012 9:21:04 AM PST by servo1969

In the wake of the tragedy, Democrats are calling to pass the Assault Weapons Ban. When asked by Breitbart News, Manchin disagreed that his remarks on MSNBC show his stance on the second amendment have flipped. "I didn't change my mind on anything. I think everything is open for discussion." It should be noted that Manchin, also known for breaking campaign promises on tax hikes, may have a difficult time explaining his turnaround on guns to voters in his own state. West Virginia, a state President Obama lost in 2008 and 2012, has one of the highest rate of gun ownership in the country: 55 percent own guns.

“I just came with my family from deer hunting,” Manchin said on MSNBC. “I’ve never had more than three shells in a clip. Sometimes you don’t get more than one shot anyway at a deer. It’s common sense. It’s time to move beyond rhetoric. We need to sit down and have a common-sense discussion and move in a reasonable way.”

Mr. Manchin made no mention of specific restrictions like his fellow Democrats have, he only referred to gun use in terms of hunting and sport and not self-defense.

“I want to call all our friends in the NRA, sit down and have this discussion,” he said. “Bring them into it. They have to be at the table. We all have to,” Manchin explained.

He later added, “I don’t know anyone in the hunting or sporting arena that goes out with an assault rifle,” he said. “I don’t know anybody that needs 30 rounds in the clip to go hunting. I mean, these are things that need to be talked about.”

(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: 112th; 30; assault; awb; banglist; democrats; guncontrol; manchin; weapons
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This whole thing about 30 round magazines and hunting -

I don't have a 30 round mag for hunting. I have it to help insure that I can out-gun anyone who tries to harm my family or myself. When I slam in the mag and hit the bolt release I want as many shots available as possible before the rifle becomes useless. I want to drive away or kill the bad guy. I don't want to have a fair fight. I want to win. Period. It's for killing humans. I'm completely willing to admit that. That's what it was designed for and it can do it very well. I hope I never ever have to use it against a human being but I want the option if necessary. I'm sure I would throw-up after words. I'm actually a tiny bit scared of it but it's respectful fear of what it is capable of and I treat it accordingly. It's a tool. A very dangerous tool to be sure but still a tool. Handle it foolishly and it will kill me. Treat it with respect and it will work for me.

People who want to take my gun are saying 'You are too stupid and/or irresponsible to be trusted with such power. You are just like a child. Give that to us before you hurt yourself!' That's what I hear, at least.

1 posted on 12/18/2012 9:21:14 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Recently Defeated Connecticut Mental Health Bill May Have Stopped Friday’s Shooter

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/16/Recently-Defeated-Connecticut-Mental-Health-Bill-May-Have-Stopped-Friday-s-Shooter


2 posted on 12/18/2012 9:24:30 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: servo1969

aren’t 30 shot magazines prone to jamming?


3 posted on 12/18/2012 9:25:46 AM PST by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: servo1969

Don’t trust Sen. Munchkin.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 9:26:31 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: servo1969

flicking through channels due to Gretchen Carlson being so over the top and acting like a dizt.
I saw MSNBC and CNN pushing this gun control and going after Dems which are pro gun.
They are doing this so tey can say this is a partisan issue and republicans care nothing about dead kids when it fails.

It’s about time the left looked at their own social policies as they started this crap 40 years ago and society has gone down as respect over those years, coincidence, I think not.

boys need a father and a mother, they need discipline and guidence not to be ignored because the mother is tired from work and her career and the father is fed up of a boring life.

Yes media you are part of the problem not the solution


5 posted on 12/18/2012 9:26:59 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: servo1969

He has six years to say and do anything he wants. Screw the voters. He doesnt need you until then.......


6 posted on 12/18/2012 9:27:22 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Mr. K

Not that I have found. At least not high quality ones such as PMAGs from MAGPUL.


7 posted on 12/18/2012 9:28:40 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969

“”He later added, “I don’t know anyone in the hunting or sporting arena that goes out with an assault rifle,” he said. “I don’t know anybody that needs 30 rounds in the clip to go hunting. I mean, these are things that need to be talked about.””””

Does this tard know that the Second Amendment does not have anything to do with hunting?


8 posted on 12/18/2012 9:28:43 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: servo1969

It’s not about hunting.


9 posted on 12/18/2012 9:29:10 AM PST by YHAOS
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To: Mr. K

No, its the 100 round drum mags that are prone to jam just like it did in the Colorado theater shooting.


10 posted on 12/18/2012 9:31:11 AM PST by XXXoholic
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To: Mr. K

Mine don’t. I had one where I bent the feed lips on it that I tossed, but magazines are a “consumable” part anyway. You are supposed to replace them when they start to wear out.


11 posted on 12/18/2012 9:31:11 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Mr. K
aren’t 30 shot magazines prone to jamming?

No.

12 posted on 12/18/2012 9:31:25 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: servo1969
“I don’t know anybody that needs 30 rounds in the clip to go hunting. I mean, these are things that need to be talked about.”

The old Remington 22. semi auto I used to hunt squirrels with held 18 shorts or 16 longs I think it was.
13 posted on 12/18/2012 9:33:08 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: servo1969
“I don’t know anybody that needs 30 rounds in the clip to go hunting. I mean, these are things that need to be talked about.”

What a weasel.

Ah, yes, The "hunting" and "need" argument brought in to screw the 2nd Amendment again.

Damn these people!

14 posted on 12/18/2012 9:34:14 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: servo1969

I don’t carry a 30 round magazine to build a snowman, either.

And that’s just as relevant to this discussion as “hunting”.


15 posted on 12/18/2012 9:35:07 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: KeyLargo

this excuse of mental health now.

Since when do boys grow up with no guidence by the age of 5 and act up, then turn 11 and act up at school, they get shrinks and drugs and do what they want due to no father nad mother having a career by the age of 18 they go intot he real world with no concept of the world and sit around playing games, \\By 16 mother thinks she is losing her son but now it;s too late?

We have a kid next door, supposed to be homeschooled but no one is ever there watching him.
He;s now 16 and everyone stays away from him.
The last thing I would do is take him to the range because he wants to.

This mother thought at his later age he was out there, but takes him to a range.
She;s not there to be a friend, she is there from birth to be a mother.

This mental health is crap and a cop out.

Many kids at my 15 year olds schoool are freaks because parents are never around but now we’re supposed to say mental health due to lack of parents giving up their lives and raising their kids


16 posted on 12/18/2012 9:35:13 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Mr. K
aren’t 30 shot magazines prone to jamming?

Yeah, that's why you load 28 rounds into it.

17 posted on 12/18/2012 9:39:20 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: Future Snake Eater

I used to shoot a SA 80,A2 and there was never a problem with the mags, though it was a military auto when I served


18 posted on 12/18/2012 9:41:10 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: servo1969

And why does anyone “need” a 30 round magazine?

Simple.

If it ever comes to having to use a gun to defend your life, and your adversary has a gun, then if you run out of ammo before your adversary is out or dead, then you will die.

We shouldn’t have to defend the defensive purpose of these things. Period.


19 posted on 12/18/2012 9:41:30 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: servo1969

Well Joe evidently you don’t know as much about hunting as would have folks believe. If you did then you would know that there are numerous variations of the AR 10 /15 platform that are designed specifically for hunting. And you would also know that Winchester has recently offered a .223 round specifically designed for boar and deer hunting.

But then you wouldn’t be able to posture for the camera then would you.

Farg’n POS


20 posted on 12/18/2012 9:41:41 AM PST by technically right
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To: servo1969
I don’t know anybody that needs 30 rounds in the clip to go hunting.

idiot tries to change the subject, its about having weapons equal to our military....but he knows that and is playing dumb. If its just about magazine capacity what does he think of .50 caliber sniper rifle with 5 shot magazine?

21 posted on 12/18/2012 9:43:12 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: Mr. K

Nope. Never had a minute’s problem with them.


22 posted on 12/18/2012 9:44:44 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: manc

Usually the problem is in the crappy military-issue magazines. You never know how old/used they are, and the springs wear down over time, causing improper feeding. As an easy workaround, we always just loaded 28 rounds into each mag, thus preventing any issues.

I’ve heard great things about PMAGs, though. I’m considering buying a few, especially if DiFi gets her way.


23 posted on 12/18/2012 9:46:42 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: manc

so we take the second amendment out of the “rule of law” and put it in the hands of obamacare public health panels?


24 posted on 12/18/2012 9:48:48 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: servo1969

>>“I want to call all our friends in the NRA, sit down and have this discussion,”

Has he called on all his friends in the gay community to sit down and discuss doing something about Penn State?

No? Then sit down and shut up.


25 posted on 12/18/2012 9:50:38 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: servo1969

obviously a senator who thinks constitutional right are about food hunting.

at some point these rinos need a serious primary removal.


26 posted on 12/18/2012 9:51:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: servo1969

If is none of their businss as to what anyone needs.

What happens to the left when anyone can 3d print any “X” size magazine?

No sociopath (like politicians or Media Mob reporters) will obey any law.


27 posted on 12/18/2012 9:54:30 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Future Snake Eater

always wanted a 1873 winchester like Billy the kid had.

Have a horse and would love to shoot on the horse and that kind if easy to put the round in the chamber.

I;ve only got a SIG P229 right now but would like to get a smaller handgun which I can carry as carrying that SIG in FL is hard to conceal.

Also used to shoot the L115 A , so I’d love to get a sniper rifle


28 posted on 12/18/2012 10:01:14 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Mr. K
No, not unless they're a discount brand or damaged.

USGI 30rd and Magpul PMAG 30, plus a couple of other specific brands, are extremely reliable.

29 posted on 12/18/2012 10:07:20 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: KeyLargo

Only Judge Louis Gohmert, congressman from TX gets it.

Manchin retreats to the “hunting” argument for semi-auto rifles, and the 2nd Amendment. This is NOT about hunting, bozo.

Gohmert stated clearly— this is about a public that under the 2nd Amendment has the right to defend itself against a tyrannical government. That government MAY NOT then define those rights, except as being decided by the CONSENT of the governed. The CONSENT.

The 2nd Amendment makes it clear who the “militia” is== it is all the people, armed. And armed against all enemies to our Free Republic- both foreign and domestic.

Oh, by the way the word “regulated” in usage of the 1700’s meant “well maintained”, that is to say within the standards of good firearm working condition. A “well regulated” militia would be one in which ALL keep their arms in top functional, and trained condition for “being necessary to the Security of a FREE State”.

THIS RIGHT, is an individual citizen right- as defined numerous times in landmark Supreme Court decisions.


30 posted on 12/18/2012 10:11:54 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: FreedomPoster

how about sitting down with the homosexuals, radical left wing who have promoted abortion, rapes on boys by homosexuals, no morals, no respect, make divorce easier, no father about, parents being friends instead of giving discipline and telling kids off, how about stop giving boys when they fall over ice and a band aid for a boo boo which no one can see, how about stop running on the field when the boy gets tackled and asking if something is broken, they would know if it were broen trust me.

How about addressing guns which are ilelgal in the gangs, inner cities?

How about addresing the social decline from bad parenting.

How about going after Hollywood and video gamers.

Guns have been about for huindreds of years, social decline and crap like this started when the left went after the traditional family.

no coincidence.


31 posted on 12/18/2012 10:12:34 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Mr. K

Go with a belt fed weapon and no problem.


32 posted on 12/18/2012 10:16:15 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Mr. K

Not AK-47 7.62


33 posted on 12/18/2012 10:18:17 AM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: servo1969

Read the article. Manchin got really snotty with the reporter, repeatedly calling her “Honey”, and telling her she was stupid. I imagine his attitude was caused by the mass of criticism he got from his constituents when he flip-flopped on them. What a typical lying RAT.


34 posted on 12/18/2012 10:29:43 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: servo1969

Can assure you that, if this was the 1920’s, Manchin (whose background as a store owner/grocer puts him on the side of the “owners” so to speak) would be on the side of the machine politics of WV. This machine knows no party— except democrat (and in recent memory the “one bottle one vote” moonshine machine).

Manchin gravitates to the rural voters (white) who put him there despite his being a tool of the mine companies (who still have their own gun thugs vs. workers— and NO I’m not a union type). These people hunt for FOOD— because they have to, as well as being on the teat of govt for food stamps. So THAT is why his argument. WV is a FEUDAL state, owned outright by the Rockefellers in mineral rights.

And, btw, the LAST time this “assault weapon” issue came up, Senator Jay Rockefeller in 1994 was for the assault weapon ban-— ALL THE WHILE he had in his DC mansion- a Colt AR-15 (and maybe still does).
Here is a series on this episode:
“Link is dead, but the text lives on:

HYPOCRISY - Many may have forgotten that in 1994 Senator Rockefeller was caught in a slight scuffle with DC police over gun control laws. The following account appears on the Future of Freedom Foundation web site:
http://www.ff.org/freedom/0496d.asp

“Yet, as with most holy wars, some of the warriors are not without the taint of hypocrisy. Senator John Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, was a fervent supporter of the crime bill and the assault-weapons ban. A few days after the bill passed the Senate, the Charleston (WV) Daily Mail reported from Washington.

“If burglars are casing big houses around here, they may want to give wide berth to the Rockefeller mansion. The occupant is packing heat and knows how to use it. Senator Jay Rockefeller disclosed that for the past 25 years, he has been the proud owner of a Colt AR-15, a so-called assault weapon used in Vietnam. Rockefeller keeps the rifle in his Washington home.

“This was news to the Washington police, which ban the ownership of AR-15s in the District of Columbia. After Rockefeller was told that having such a gun in the District was a crime, he ‘remembered’ that he actually kept the gun stored in northern Virginia. Rockefeller also claimed that he was unaware that the District of Columbia banned such guns. Rockefeller has private security guards around his lavish Washington home, and the Senate office buildings where he works are heavily guarded by well-fed Capitol policemen. Yet he still feels entitled to own a gun that he wanted to severely restrict other Americans from being able to purchase.”


35 posted on 12/18/2012 10:33:07 AM PST by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Mr. K
"aren’t 30 shot magazines prone to jamming?"

Regardless of capacity, poorly designed, poorly constructed, or damaged magazines may contribute to feeding problems. Well built magazines in good repair tend to work just like they're supposed to.

Some drum magazines have been around for a long time, for the Thompson, the PPSh-41, etc., and the design and manufacturing issues were resolved a long time ago.

Drums for ARs tend to be more recent developments and some do have a reputation for jamming. I suspect it's largely a matter of manufacturing tolerances, materials, and perhaps some inherent design issues. Eventually, I suspect those would be resolved (if the market is allowed to survive.)

36 posted on 12/18/2012 10:39:07 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SIDENET

They don’t like the truth.


37 posted on 12/18/2012 10:43:59 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: servo1969

Your last paragraph pretty much sums up the entire Democrat mantra on every topic they have an opinion about. You aren’t alone — I hear it too.


38 posted on 12/18/2012 10:53:13 AM PST by xander
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To: Future Snake Eater
I’ve heard great things about PMAGs, though. I’m considering buying a few, especially if DiFi gets her way.

Good luck finding any 30 round PMAGs. Went shopping for some on the net today and everyone is sold out. Went to a local gun store and they had a few left...bought four. 20 round PMAGS are still available though.

39 posted on 12/18/2012 11:02:19 AM PST by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Mr. K
aren’t 30 shot magazines prone to jamming?

No. Not even a little bit. Where did you get that idea?

40 posted on 12/18/2012 11:06:32 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
Don’t trust Sen. Munchkin.

Why not? The all-wise NRA gave him an "A+" rating, and endorsed him as a "Vote for Freedom".

41 posted on 12/18/2012 11:07:52 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

C-Products and Magpul both make excellent 30rd AR mags with no-tilt followers. You’ll like ‘em.

Mine all fell in the Shenandoah ...


42 posted on 12/18/2012 11:12:45 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

yeah- I read that somewhere- (probably here) that you never max-out your clip. It may hold 30 but you only put 25 in there (or 28) to keep from stressing the spring to the max.

I am NOT an expert at all- I just like guns


43 posted on 12/18/2012 11:14:25 AM PST by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: manc

Re: “flicking through channels due to Gretchen Carlson being so over the top and acting like a dizt.”

Acting?


44 posted on 12/18/2012 11:15:12 AM PST by Ted Grant
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To: 6ppc
#39

Crap. The new Generation 3 PMAGs are supposed to be shipping in January. Now it's gonna be about impossible to find one. First at a decent price, then at all.


45 posted on 12/18/2012 11:31:52 AM PST by servo1969
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To: servo1969
First at a decent price, then at all.

We have been here before ... the factories will run non-stop 24/7, trying to keep up with demand ... and QC will suffer.

46 posted on 12/18/2012 11:36:00 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Mr. K

The physics on springs -
if you do not stretch or compress a spring past its point of “plastic deformation”, it will ALWAYS return to its original shape.

You don’t have to worry about overloading any magazine of decent quality.
You don’t have to worry about unloading your mags to save the springs.
The springs will not compress and “stay there”, ie, not load the last few rounds in the mag.


47 posted on 12/18/2012 11:45:39 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Ted Grant
true she is a ditz but more so than ever lately, especially the last two weeks.

Questioning why we need guns other than hand guns, did you hear her going on about how her kid feels safe now and is this what we have come to as a country that we need armed cops at a school.
Maybe if she got out of her elitist circle and neighborhood she would know down here we have cops living in houses on school grounds and all schools have had cops and all cops are armed.

Moaning about those little bake ovens for kids only in purple and pink and her boy would like one in another color.

Now knowing she will take her kids on Christmas day to a movie and only knowing this after talking to a movie actor, I don;t know but day off, Christmas with the kids I know what I would do and it;s not wait till I speak to an actor or take them to a movie on that day.

SHe’s overly emotional always harping on about crap and has no idea how people live down here outside of her elitist ivy league circle of pals, yep sounds like Megyn Kelly too who I can;t watch anymore, .

Actually thinking about it I can;t think of many on FOX who I do watch anymore, Laura Ingraham is good, I wish Levin was on there and though Beck got to me here and thee at least every now and again he would inform us of who is who and how the left is working with other groups and where their money goes likes ACORN

48 posted on 12/18/2012 12:53:35 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Ted Grant
true she is a ditz but more so than ever lately, especially the last two weeks.

Questioning why we need guns other than hand guns, did you hear her going on about how her kid feels safe now and is this what we have come to as a country that we need armed cops at a school.
Maybe if she got out of her elitist circle and neighborhood she would know down here we have cops living in houses on school grounds and all schools have had cops and all cops are armed.

Moaning about those little bake ovens for kids only in purple and pink and her boy would like one in another color.

Now knowing she will take her kids on Christmas day to a movie and only knowing this after talking to a movie actor, I don;t know but day off, Christmas with the kids I know what I would do and it;s not wait till I speak to an actor or take them to a movie on that day.

SHe’s overly emotional always harping on about crap and has no idea how people live down here outside of her elitist ivy league circle of pals, yep sounds like Megyn Kelly too who I can;t watch anymore, .

Actually thinking about it I can;t think of many on FOX who I do watch anymore, Laura Ingraham is good, I wish Levin was on there and though Beck got to me here and thee at least every now and again he would inform us of who is who and how the left is working with other groups and where their money goes likes ACORN

49 posted on 12/18/2012 12:54:08 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: servo1969

Manchin is one of the biggest hypocrites who ever lived. He claims he’s “pro-life”, “pro traditional” marriage, he voted against lifting DADT, and he ran AGAINST ObamaCare. So can anyone tell me why this character is still a democrat and supports the most pro-abortion, anti-God president in the history of the country. WV is a red state and if he decided to switch parties he will be elected as a republican. The man is a hypocrite of the first degree. He has nothing in common with the party he belongs to, but still remains a democrat.


50 posted on 12/18/2012 1:02:54 PM PST by NKP_Vet
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