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White House: Obama would support new gun laws
http://www.politico.com/ ^ | December18, 2012 | By JENNIFER EPSTEIN |

Posted on 12/18/2012 12:46:21 PM PST by Hojczyk

OBAMA TO GO FOR GUNS

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/12/white-house-obama-would-support-new-gun-laws-152297.html


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; bhoguncontrol; bradywatch; youwillnotdisarmus

1 posted on 12/18/2012 12:46:24 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk
Link
2 posted on 12/18/2012 12:48:19 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (July 4, 1776: Declaration of Independence. Nov 6, 2012: Declaration of Dependence. R.I.P. America.)
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To: Hojczyk

I dare the prick to try..he wants a civil war, he will get one


3 posted on 12/18/2012 12:49:26 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Hojczyk

My answer is no.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 1:49:29 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Hojczyk
Why doesn't Obama go for getting help for Parents with troubled Children.
Let's try making it easier for People with a Mental Illness to get help and not wait until they pose a danger to themselves or others.
What you say Obie.

5 posted on 12/18/2012 2:00:31 PM PST by Falcon4.0
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To: Hojczyk

Congress better stop this nonsense dead in its tracks.

Frankly, if the GOP fails to stop it, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM NEED TO BE VOTED OUT, even if it means the entire congress and senate end up being nothing but damn democrats....


6 posted on 12/18/2012 2:02:05 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Hojczyk
Obama wants a gun ban. That's a given.

But do Senate Democrats? Sure, they might not lose their majority this time but they'll definitely lose some seats.

So the question is; which Democrat Senators are willing to be sacrificial lambs and bury their careers so that Dianne Feinstein can have a symbolic ban on bayonet lugs (because it sure as hell won't be Feinstein herself who gets tossed out of office).

7 posted on 12/18/2012 2:04:11 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Hojczyk

The politicians care not one whit about the citizens.
Their concern is their own skin.


8 posted on 12/18/2012 2:27:48 PM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: Hojczyk

It’s a bit of a DUH. “Never let a crisis go to waste.”


9 posted on 12/18/2012 2:34:03 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Hojczyk

I don’t think his civilian army of brownshirts is quite big enough... yet.


10 posted on 12/18/2012 2:37:00 PM PST by SparkyBass
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To: Hojczyk

11 posted on 12/18/2012 2:39:12 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Falcon4.0

Reason 1.

Liberals are the ones who responded to poor conditions to institutions by letting the mentally ill out into the streets with a prayer, instead of improving the institutions. The same is true of their tendency to open the jails and hope for the best of human nature. We need to rebuild the 150K mental hospital beds we had in the 1950s, put involuntary mental incarceration laws back on the books and put a lot of the “homeless” there. But the liberals are the ones who let them out in the 1960s in the first place. Doing what needs to be done is an admission the original action was wrong.

Reason 2

Liberals want the majority of the population to be a mass to be manipulated, with themselves as the elite. Plato versus Aristotle is the liberal-conservative divide today.
It is easier to consider your opposition crazy or stupid than argue facts, figures and rationality. They want masses of social workers policing the actions, behavior and even thoughts of everyone - not forcibly medicating and restraining if necessary the 1-3% of the population that is truly, severely mentally ill. Better to control men by pathologizing them in the guise of mental health than call it a police state. And the excuse is the mentally ill on the streets.

Reason 3

If nothing is anyone’s fault but society’s fault, how then does one explain evil? Excusing evil with a medical diagnosis is one way to explain it, and offers those who deny the existence of personal accountability a way to “cure” it. With, of course, more nanny-statism.

Reason 4

There is more money in making everything other than the perfect personality a mental disorder, instead of spending the resources on the small minority of mentally ill. More money = more power and more jobs for the elite.

Reason 5

To borrow from Atlas Shrugs, if you don’t have lots of mental disorders, you don’t have a way to control people. Parents whose children are labelled as ADD or opposition defiant can be forced into compliance with state supervision or loss of freedoms via a mental health diagnosis and threats of children taken away for failure to “treat” the diagnosis.

Reason 6

You can do a lot of political arm twisting in the guise of medicine. The Soviets invented “sluggish schizophrenia” to lock up those who didn’t see Soviet Russia as paradise. You could lock up and torture political dissidents without officially jailing them.
And there are plenty of liberals who think that conservatives are crazy. And I’ve come across psych surveys seeking to build up a mental disorder to fit “authoritarian, domineering, closed minded” into a mental disorder. Once invented, guns can be taken away in accordance with the mental illness controls on owning weapons, without overtly violating the Second Amendment. One simply declares are conservatives crazy, then takes them.


12 posted on 12/18/2012 2:40:25 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Vinnie

A government that does not trust the people to be armed
is in fact a tyranny.

It’s that simple, if they (our supposed government)attempt
to disarm us inspite of the constitution and bill of
rights, then they have given up the mandate of the people
and deserve what will happen to them. We can have no
common ground with tyranny.


13 posted on 12/18/2012 2:42:43 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I fear this effort will have legs due to the fact that so many little kids were killed.

Hope not, but I gotta bad feeling about this one.

Ain’t got one? Better go get one.


14 posted on 12/18/2012 2:44:18 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

15 posted on 12/18/2012 2:48:39 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Hojczyk

16 posted on 12/18/2012 2:51:08 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Gator113
Frankly, if the GOP fails to stop it, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM NEED TO BE VOTED OUT...

Yes, and we can all send them a sternly worded email too.

(rolls eyes)

17 posted on 12/18/2012 2:58:23 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: beltfed308; EdReform; kiriath_jearim; Red in Blue PA; JrsyJack

Bradywatch PING!!!


18 posted on 12/18/2012 3:15:22 PM PST by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Windflier

Your eye rolling makes you sound like a stupid teenage girl. (adjusts)


19 posted on 12/18/2012 3:18:12 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Gator113
Your eye rolling makes you sound like a stupid teenage girl.

You just said that if Obama decrees a gun ban, and Congress does nothing to stop it, that we should "vote them out of office".

If that's your best response, then you may as well turn in your guns now.

20 posted on 12/18/2012 3:26:39 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Gator113

I think the point was that everything is past voting now, too late for that.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 3:37:00 PM PST by Bulwyf
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To: tet68

Very well said...and appreciated.


22 posted on 12/18/2012 3:43:20 PM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: Windflier
Yes! And we can point and yell!


23 posted on 12/18/2012 3:44:44 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Bulwyf

I don’t necessarily disagree, but we still have to try.


24 posted on 12/18/2012 3:47:52 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Windflier

I don’t care to argue with an idiot... get lost.


25 posted on 12/18/2012 3:51:51 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Gator113
I don’t care to argue with an idiot... get lost.

Why don't you just admit that you gave the wrong answer to the question of King Obama disarming the American people, instead of posting petulant replies?

Live free, or go down fighting like our forefathers did. That's the correct answer to the question.

26 posted on 12/18/2012 3:56:07 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lady Jag
Yes! And we can point and yell!

Indeed. Seems lately that one in three Freepers would gladly surrender the one and only thing keeping them free of complete and total slavery.

Makes me nuts.

27 posted on 12/18/2012 3:59:23 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Hojczyk

Commies and Nazis aren’t bulletproof. They can either read history to discover that or experience it again first hand.


28 posted on 12/18/2012 3:59:33 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Hojczyk

“More nosy doctors who don’t like guns”

By Michelle Malkin • July 8, 2008

http://michellemalkin.com/2008/07/08/more-nosy-doctors-who-dont-like-guns/


29 posted on 12/18/2012 4:01:02 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Hojczyk

Barack 0bama on Gun Control
http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/barack_obama_gun_control.htm

Both 0bama and H3ll voted to ban guns altogether at some point.


30 posted on 12/18/2012 4:08:49 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Windflier

Why don’t you just piss off.


31 posted on 12/18/2012 4:10:14 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Gator113
Why don’t you just piss off.

Whassamatta? Did I embarrass you?

32 posted on 12/18/2012 4:25:18 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Nope, you didn’t embarrass me. I’ve seen your moronic posts in the past and I do not play with fools... so move the F on. Your games and tripe do not interest me. Find some other way to get attention, boy.


33 posted on 12/18/2012 4:34:43 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Gator113
Nope, you didn’t embarrass me.

Well that's a shame. Any real patriot would have stopped and realized that they were buying into the enemy line that, "there's nothing we can do to stop them."

If and when the SHTF, I hope you mount a better response than you did on this thread.

34 posted on 12/18/2012 4:45:22 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I see, so because I chose not to play your stupid game, I am “not a patriot”.

You may KMA.


35 posted on 12/18/2012 5:12:06 PM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Windflier
I must have missed something. Two out of three want gun bans? Really? On this Bible thumping, gun hugging site?


36 posted on 12/18/2012 6:52:35 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Lady Jag
I must have missed something. Two out of three want gun bans? On this Bible thumping, gun hugging site?

No, no. That's not what I said. I said: "Seems lately that one in three Freepers would gladly surrender the one and only thing keeping them free of complete and total slavery."

I'm not saying that any Freepers actually welcome government suppression of our gun rights. Just that some seem ready to roll right over and give up their guns without a fight. And they're trying to convince the rest of us that resistance to tyranny if futile.

That's my beef.

37 posted on 12/18/2012 9:19:39 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
Do you mean they've lost their fight? Government societal manipulations have cowed a lot of people; I hadn't thought of it in context with guns but I see it plain and clear now that you mention it.

"They" constructed a long term plan decades ago and are near to closing the deal because good people never thought this push over the edge and let it get too far.

That's probably why S&Ws revenues are up 48% and Zerobama is the world's best gun salesman for the Kool-Aidless.

38 posted on 12/19/2012 1:37:34 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Lady Jag
Do you mean they've lost their fight?

That's exactly what I mean. There's more doom and gloom being expressed around here than I ever thought I'd see. By my unscientific reckoning, somewhere near a third of the people posting here are ready to surrender and board the train to the government re-education camps.

39 posted on 12/19/2012 2:54:23 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

You may meet more people than I do since I’ve retired but those I know and a few I come in contact with are a little bummed since the commies stole the elction but it’s made them angrier. This is MA and gun shops are selling out to the walls.

IMHO, Texas has to be better than that.


40 posted on 12/19/2012 10:18:17 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Lady Jag
This is MA and gun shops are selling out to the walls. IMHO, Texas has to be better than that.

There's a rush on gun stores out here too, but I don't think Texans are taking the loss of the election in quite the same way as folks in some other states are.

Oh, we're bummed alright, but I think it's made us set our jaw a bit more firmly. I'm seeing a lot of "we're doomed" posts on FR, but few have been posted by Texans.

41 posted on 12/19/2012 10:33:22 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
I believe we found out about this destructive theft by the NWO too late. I don't go around like chicken little saying the sky is falling as do many people but I have said we're doomed a couple of times. However, I'm still fighting mad. Could that also be them?

Whatever, whoever they are, we need to prop them up.


42 posted on 12/20/2012 1:18:34 PM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Lady Jag
I don't go around like chicken little saying the sky is falling as do many people but I have said we're doomed a couple of times. However, I'm still fighting mad. Could that also be them?

Whatever, whoever they are, we need to prop them up.

I try, but sometimes it seems like a thankless task. Some folks seem bound and determined to surrender, and some even want to convince others to give up. I'm not having any of it.

43 posted on 12/20/2012 4:14:21 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUTXb-ga1fo

I won’t back down.........


44 posted on 12/20/2012 4:25:17 PM PST by Osage Orange ( Liberalism, ideas so good they have to be mandatory.)
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