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Video: “It doesn’t matter if gun violence is down” ^ | 17 December, 2012 | na

Posted on 12/18/2012 2:12:59 PM PST by marktwain

Katie flags this quote from CNN anchor Don Lemon, who won’t allow facts to complicate his righteous public emoting about US gun laws (expanded transcript via Breitbart):

Listen, for the past three days, I have been on the verge of tears every second, and most of the people here have been crying 24 hours straight. Yes, we need to address mental health, but mental health in this particular issue — let’s not get it twisted — is a secondary issue. If someone who has a mental issue did not have access to guns that should only be available in war zones, we would not be dealing with this. Who needs a bullet piercing, armor piercing bullet to go hunting? Who needs an assault rifle to go hunting? You can’t even use the prey that you kill with an assault rifle if you indeed do it. no one needs an assault rifle to go out and shoot a deer. … That’s the issue that we need to deal with. So to say that gun violence is down does not make sense. To me, it’s insulting to everyone who lost a loved one here and who was dealing with that. It doesn’t matter if gun violence is down. 20 children are dead here and 6 adults are dead, and the mother of a person who was not mentally — who is mentally challenged in some way is dead. so to say that gun violence is down — we need to talk about mental health, yes. mental health is a secondary issue. We need to get guns and bullets and automatic weapons off the streets. They should only be available to police officers and to hunt al Qaeda and the Taliban and not hunt children.

Let’s set aside Lemon’s purported role as a newsman, and ignore the callow and manipulative implication that anguish alone somehow bolsters the legitimacy of an argument. Truth be told, I am among those Americans who are conflicted over guns and gun policy. In the immediate wake of Friday’s nightmarish slaughter, I tweeted some of the complex thoughts I’ve harbored on the subject for some time, drawing heated responses from both sides. On one hand, it seems indisputable that firearms — high-powered, high-capacity ones in particular — make these sorts of horrors significantly easier to perpetrate. Yes, other weapons have been used in acts of mass violence, but guns are an especially efficient tool to wreak human carnage. The body counts in Tucson, Aurora, and Newtown would almost certainly have been substantially lower if those deranged individuals were wielding knives, to pick one example (click the previous link and look for the death toll). On the other hand, there’s considerable evidence that higher gun ownership actually diminishes violent crime in the aggregate. I’ve also internalized the truth that malevolent actors will often find a way to get their hands on firearms one way or another, so disarming the overwhelmingly law-abiding public would amount to a unilateral disarmament — rendering innocents virtually defenseless in the face of in-progress gun violence. Waiting for the police to arrive mid-rampage isn’t much of a solution for imminent targets. It’s also a fact that strict gun laws do not magically solve the problem of gun violence. See, for instance, the horrific Chicago bloodletting. Indeed, the Newtown shooter reportedly used weapons that were purchased legally and dutifully registered by someone else (his mother), who lived in a state with restrictive laws. Should Congress pass the ‘Don’t-Let-Your-Psychotic-Son-Steal-Your-Guns-To-Kill-You-And-Others’ Act of 2012? What would that accomplish, exactly? And beyond these legitimate practical concerns, there’s also that pesky detail called the United States Constitution, and the individual liberties it enshrines.

Unlike many conservatives, I don’t reflexively bristle at the term “common-sense gun control.” The mere notion of placing some limits on the types of guns average people can purchase does not offend. Calls for legislative action to keep certain weapons out of the hands of mentally unstable people strike me as reasonable. I also recognize that myriad regulations along these lines already exist, and I’m skeptical that proposing more grief-fueled laws is a meaningful solution. And even if one could accurately project that passing Gun Law X would save Y number of lives, where do Constitutional rights come into play, and who gets to weigh those factors? If curtailing the First Amendment could also be scientifically proven to save some quantifiable number of lives, would we tolerate additional government limits on those core, specifically-enumerated freedoms? These are extraordinarily difficult questions. In fact, even the mental health discussions that crop up after these tragedies can lead down some worrisome paths regarding civil liberties and the public good. I’m heartbroken over Newtown, I’ve been grappling with these quandaries for days, and I admittedly have no clean answers. But as one of those citizens who does not hold especially dogmatic views on guns, I’m repulsed by Lemon’s emotionally-charged diatribe, which explicitly rejects empirical evidence. It’s dishonest and exploitive. It is troubling that many of the voices clamoring loudest for a “national conversation” about gun policy already seem to have their minds made up about what sorts of guns should be available, and to whom. If that’s how one feels, one should at least be intellectually honest and make open calls for sweeping bans and “confiscation.” Let’s see how that “conversation” goes.

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The other side does not care about rationality. They never have. They care about obtaining and using power.

Using raw emotion to ram through their political agenda is a tactic they embrace.

1 posted on 12/18/2012 2:13:09 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The post should be demoted to

The freedom-grabbers will stop at nothing.

Oh yeah, FUDL!

2 posted on 12/18/2012 2:17:45 PM PST by sauropod (I will not comply)
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To: marktwain

In truth, nothing kills so efficiently as explosive devices. Hence why Moslems prefer them.

3 posted on 12/18/2012 2:18:32 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: marktwain

The demonization and criminalization of a significant segment of the population continues. This is Nazi Germany all over again.

Don’t get me wrong; I know what these parents are suffering through. I too lost a child violently, 7 years ago. I STILL haven’t gotten an adequate response as to what happened.

We cannot allow this demonization to continue.

4 posted on 12/18/2012 2:24:15 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: NTHockey
But they kicked Jesus and 10 commandments out of the classrooms, replacing with violent games and profanity trash.
See the results?
5 posted on 12/18/2012 2:40:41 PM PST by Leo Carpathian (FReeeeepissed)
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To: marktwain

You can just hide in a closet and wait until help arrives while you hope the shooter finds someone else before he finds you.
When help arrives, they will be equipped with “assault weapons” and “high capacity magazines” that you believe have no purpose.
(Why do schools have fire extinguishers, can’t they just wait for the fire department to get there?)

6 posted on 12/18/2012 2:42:27 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: marktwain
Yes, it is all about power and the purpose of the Second Amendment. These anti-American socialists do not really care about people dying — if they did, where is all the talk about the numerous killings in urban centers like Chicago, New York and Los Angeles that so outnumber the poor souls that perished in this latest nutcase kill-spree.

What you are hearing from the radical socialists is just another run on the Second Amendment and their drooling desire to disarm the law-abiding, Constitution-supporting citizens of this country. And the most radical among them would like to see an Obama dictatorship — after all, he would as he has said with comments like he wanted the Congress to give him unlimited power, without Congressional control and oversight, to spend and borrow money.

We are not dealing with an American president. We are dealing with an America-hating ideologue who is also a radical socialist. Very bad situation.

7 posted on 12/18/2012 2:52:33 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Repeal The 17th

(Why do schools have fire extinguishers, can’t they just wait for the fire department to get there?)

Very succinctly put.

8 posted on 12/18/2012 3:04:13 PM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: marktwain

“Unlike many conservatives, I don’t reflexively bristle at the term “common-sense gun control.””

I do, because there is never any limit to what the commies think should constitute “common sense” measures. You could implement every measure they request today, and they will think of ten more next week. So, you’re not actually compromising with them to find common ground, you’re only conceding another inch to them on the road to serfdom.

9 posted on 12/18/2012 3:08:41 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

“Common sense” to them means taking an activity, freedom, or object you enjoy now and sending armed men to arrest or kill you if you try to do it again.

Sounds perfectly sensible to me, sending armed killers to kill someone who hasn’t killed anyone.

I thought the liberals always said that violence begets violence.

10 posted on 12/18/2012 4:21:01 PM PST by FLAMING DEATH (I'm not racist - I hate Biden too!)
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“I thought the liberals always said that violence begets violence.”

You know, when I was a kid and went to learn horseback riding, they taught us that horses only had a short term memory about 3 seconds long, so it was useless to try and reward or punish them for anything that happened further back than that window. I have to put liberals in the same category. They say whatever they think might be expedient to them at the moment, but as soon as it is out of their mouth it is forgotten. It’s as pointless trying to hold them accountable for it later as it is trying to punish a horse for something it did five minutes ago.

11 posted on 12/18/2012 4:44:03 PM PST by Boogieman
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