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Governor Rick Snyder vetoes concealed weapons legislation ^ | December 18, 2012

Posted on 12/18/2012 2:21:28 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: Tailgunner Joe
So Governor Snyder's logic is he doesn't want concealed guns in schools, yet by vetoing the bill it leaves the status quo in Michigan law.

Under current Michigan law, holders of a Concealed Pistol License cannot carry concealed on school grounds, but they can open carry.

So which is more scary; having someone who's been to additional training carrying concealed in school, or someone openly carrying in the hallways?

51 posted on 12/18/2012 3:46:58 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Paladin2
If there are no public schools there can be no public school massacres.


Separate school and state, before any more innocents are massacred spiritually, morally, or physically.

52 posted on 12/18/2012 3:49:50 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Socialism: Where your health care is free, but you are not.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Not much to say except the last one out of Michigan please turn out the lights.

53 posted on 12/18/2012 3:59:36 PM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: muawiyah

Dr. Suzanna Hupp Testimony to congress on the shooting that killed both her parents in a gun free zone where she was the one who obeyed the law and left her gun in the car.

54 posted on 12/18/2012 4:07:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: pogo101
Perhaps the governor’s reserves of courage were used up last week?

As a retiree, I grudgingly went along with his implementing a tax on retiree pensions but this latest cave-in has caused me to disenfranchise myself from the RINO........

55 posted on 12/18/2012 4:08:56 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Governor Rick Snyder has vetoed gun legislation that would have allowed concealed weapons in churches, schools and daycares.

The blood of Michigan school children and staff is on Synder's head if a "Sandy Hook" type massacre happens in his state. Shame on Synder.

56 posted on 12/18/2012 4:35:38 PM PST by TheDon (Criminalizing self defense contributed to the Sandy Hook massacre.)
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To: Boogieman

Where is this church, and how can I join?

57 posted on 12/18/2012 4:52:30 PM PST by Husker24
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To: Husker24; Boogieman

Yep - Sign me up!

58 posted on 12/18/2012 4:58:53 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Another wimp!

59 posted on 12/18/2012 5:21:48 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: elkfersupper

Your standards for comedy must be exceptionally low.

60 posted on 12/18/2012 5:25:39 PM PST by OldPossum
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61 posted on 12/18/2012 6:26:20 PM PST by NY Attitude (Make love not war but be prepared for either.)
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To: cripplecreek
Back in the 70’s I would take my parents van to school on Fridays with my shotgun in the back. After school three of my friends and I would follow our Biology teacher to his small farm south of Lansing and hunt for the afternoon.

During the hunting season I would bet at least a quarter of the cars in the high school parking lot had guns locked in the trunks.

62 posted on 12/18/2012 7:09:58 PM PST by OldMissileer
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To: Husker24; rockrr

Only in my imagination at the moment, but if kooks like Scientology and the Westboro Baptists can get religious protection, then there’s no reason that gun lovers can’t give it a shot too.

63 posted on 12/18/2012 7:10:35 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: cripplecreek

I believe you. Have not lived Michigan personally but know plenty of people who have. They are almost all field and stream men (primarily deer hunters).

Sure, give him some heat over it to express your disappointment.

But, as I wrote in my original post, the governor has to be realistic about what is possible in this emotionally charged atmosphere. It is a tactical retreat, not a strategic defeat. After all, 20 1st graders (along with 6 teachers) were murdered just last Friday.

The unions already want his hide after signing the right to work legislation earlier last week and signing this legislation now, pardon the allusion, is just providing more ammunition for them to shot at him. Imagine the recall posters they could work up to combine and exploit those twin sets of raw feelings.

Better a Republican governor in office who may, eventually, sign the reviewed and resubmitted legislation than him being recalled now and replaced with a Democrat who will do the rights of gun owners a lot worse.

Once the investigators understand the dynamics of what actually happened and more importantly, why they happened, there can be analysis into the set of realistic options to prevent this type of tragedy from recurring. I feel that you are going to end up with a solution set that includes having enhanced barrier/access control systems AND specially trained and vetted individuals either carrying concealed on premises or having ready access to secured weapons stored in these facilities.

When they are there, the specially trained and vetted CCW visitor envisioned by the vetoed legislation may be an additional resource. However, a realistic active defense solution must assume they will not be there and, necessarily, must focus on arming some members of the facility staff since they are required to be on site.

Personally, given the ugly reality of what happened last Friday, I think you will find plenty of teachers willing to carry and, if necessary, kill in order to protect themselves and the students they love.

64 posted on 12/18/2012 7:31:49 PM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: elkfersupper

Think strategically, not tactically.

This bill will now be reworked by the Republican legislature and resubmitted. That will take some months to do and, in the meantime, passions will cool and the analysts and policy wonks will figure out how to best integrate the lessons coming out of the Newtown school massacre into the legislation. Eventually, a Republican governor who didn’t get recalled will sign it.

A newly elected Democrat governor whose recall election focused on its defeat won’t.

65 posted on 12/18/2012 8:02:27 PM PST by Captain Rhino (Determined effort is the hammer that Human Will uses to forge Tomorrow on the anvil of Today.)
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To: cripplecreek

Now I get your graphic at #20.

66 posted on 12/18/2012 8:55:22 PM PST by shove_it (the 0bama regime are the people Huxley, Orwell and Rand warned us about)
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To: Husker24
How does the state regulate the possession of legal arms in a church, why wouldn’t be strictly up to the church?

The first Concealed Carry laws passed in Texas had this restriction. The next legislature realized error of their ways and deleted this restriction. Now, one can fully expect that there will legally be several guns in the congregation at every church service (including mine)!

67 posted on 12/19/2012 12:47:59 AM PST by TexasRedeye
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To: Tailgunner Joe

What is the result of this veto? Seems to me that the result is now ensuring that the MI schools are to remain consistently in the same situation as CT’s schools. If you want to leave yourself open to violence, then make sure you have commonality with those that have been attacked!

68 posted on 12/19/2012 4:07:41 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: Jim Noble
Ask Governor Snyder if he is glad the principal of Sandy Hook Elementary School was unarmed last Friday.

A principal and his gun

69 posted on 12/19/2012 4:20:48 AM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: OldPossum

You don’t know what guys do on boating trips, apparently. Maybe you better stay safe at home under your bed.

70 posted on 12/19/2012 4:44:29 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Captain Rhino
Think strategically, not tactically.

Nope. There is no track record for strategy producing tactics on this subject. It's all strategy.

"All hat and no cattle".

71 posted on 12/19/2012 11:27:30 AM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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