Skip to comments.Psychiatrist: Lanza Was 'Pseudocommando' with 'Wounded Narcissism'
Posted on 12/18/2012 4:12:14 PM PST by servo1969
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Lanza was in the autistic spectrum and was incapable of having many of the grand issues that this psychoblabber proposes he had.
Autism comes in degrees. With some it can be strong enough to retard their social capabilities but is not strong enough to retard their desire to form meaningful connections with other human beings, which is probably a bit frustrating for some people.
I wonder what role “SW:Revenge of the Sith” had to play.
THAT was one of the best responses I’ve seen on Freep!I will borrow it. ha.
Kudos!( and no, I’m not smart enough to know where that word Kudos came from, I just use it to sound smart).ha.
Don’t they have hours of interviews with these mass killers? (Dahmer, Gacy, Holmes, etc.)
Either the experts are keeping their findings more secret than the Dead Sea Scrolls, or they really don’t know how to pre-diagnose it.
How do you cultivate this in someone born without empathy or awareness?
To say these kind of people need intensive therapy is an understatement. However, I'm not sure they're redeemable; their brains are different. In spite of all the hand wringing over gun control, the real issue is treatment of the mentally ill and detection of the dangerous.
I have known people like that- they have that “Oh yeah? well I’m going to show YOU..” attitute
They are sick and twisted
I have Asperger’s and my brother had syndromal autism and was low functioning. While I am not as far gone as some Asperger’s folks are I still have problems identifying social cues and I’ve often struggled with sarcasm and metaphorical alliteration.
And autism and Asperger’s are a spectrum that ranges from low functioning, medium functioning, to high functioning.
While I have problems with sarcasm I’m sure that you don’t and that you’re perfectly able to read this post and ferret out where I’ve implied that you should go have sex with yourself.
Hey, we used to have a huge institution to do just that. It was called Religion.
Applying the word narcissist to a person with autism, regardless of their level of social functioning, is something of a conflict in terms. They can’t read people very well or even at all with some. Successful manipulators they are not. Grandiose? They do have their fascinations that could appear that way, but it isn’t to impress anyone else, they’re just compelled, it seems.
I think this psychologist is talking out of his backside too.
Second, Autism and Asperger's Syndrome (two distinctly different neuro-developmental disorders, despite the DSM-V completely removing the Asperger's label) exist on a continuum from very mild to very severe.
Third, both Autism and Asperger's manifest differently in each case, regardless of the degree of severity of the disorder.
I have for 16+ years worked with children with Autism and Asperger's Syndrome. It is possible that Lanza was a person with Asperger's or High Functioning Autism. These individuals are often very bright. I have a son-in-law who is a person with undiagnosed Asperger's Syndrome (He has a high school aged son from his first marriage diagnosed with Asperger's. He and my daughter have a four year old daughter who, as yet, is undiagnosed, but presents nearly all of the characteristics of Asperger's). My son-in-law works in the ITT department for our local school district. With computers he is extremely gifted. With people and social situations, not so much.
Please, please, please, before commenting regarding the issue of Autism and/or Asperger's Syndrome, do some serious research. Not every person with Autism is retarded (yes, thanks to Obozo, we're not suppose to use that term). They are not all prone to violence. Not all cases of this disorder present the exact same characteristics or symptomology.
How do you teach compassion to someone who, according to educators who knew him, could feel no physical or emotional pain?
This actually describes somebody else I know of.....
Excessive narcissism with a position of near absolute power, what happens when the “I Won” gets seriously offended?
“Please, please, please, before commenting regarding the issue of Autism and/or Asperger’s Syndrome, do some serious research.”
I’ve lived with Asperger’s all my life and lived with my brother’s autism until he died eight years ago from pneumonia.
I’m not a psychiatrist, I just have family who are in the field. However, from what I’ve gleaned over the years through them, this diagnosis seems muddled in regards to his alleged autism.
Autistic individuals can have violent outbursts in some cases, but they can’t have it both ways of him being low functioning autistic as the media tried making it out, and also capable of such planning.
Then again, this could just be the result of pop psychology and the immediate rush to judgement on the MSM’s part.
Sorry, that was directed at other people.
LOL... great response.
Sorry for posting to you a second time but I wanted to respond to this:
“First, there is no validated evidence that Lanza had Autism or Asperger’s Syndrome.”
I appreciate that. At the same time the picture of Lanza that is being shown in the media is pretty typical of someone who is ‘in the club’. I really don’t have any actual evidence that President Obama is black but then it’s somewhat obvious from his picture.
Ditto with Lanza.
Knoll wrote an article about "pseudocommandos." He pretty much owns the term and he's going to trot it out whenever something happens that has the slightest resemblance to his theory.
There's probably going to be a lot of controversy between those who play up the autism/Asperger's theory and those who are looking for other explanations. In an earlier article, Knoll mentioned those who saw Asperger's symptoms in Jeffrey Dahmer, but here he's going out of his way to avoid discussion autism.
The impression I get is that the psychodynamic stuff may have some validity, but this shooter was very, very distant from the rest of humanity and from ordinary feelings.
No worries. (-:
“While I am not as far gone as some Aspergers folks are I still have problems identifying social cues and Ive often struggled with sarcasm and metaphorical alliteration.”
Please, I’m not trying to be a moron here, I’m trying to understand something about the behaviour.
In the show “The Big Bang Theory” Sheldon Cooper doesn’t get sarcasm and other social cues. He has trouble reading people.
Is this the type of behaviour that you’re describing?
If he were completely without the ability to feel pain I’d doubt he’d be very successful with any remotely physical activity, so that sounds like an exaggeration. Medication can provoke neuropathy, but there’s usually a sort of nonspecific aching associated with a surface numbness that is more specific. My father had it, nerve pain but his feet were numb, difficulty walking because he couldn’t feel iiregularities beneath his feet and it affected his balance.
Many low level autistics exhibit sympoms of personality disorder along with the autism. Within personality disorder, there are a multitude of variations including narcissm. His diagnosis sounds reasonable to me.
Sheldon Cooper is a caricature of a high functioning autistic, yes. The actor is a little too good at it to be entirely acting. Kind of like Ashton Kutcher playing a doofus, you know what I mean?
Please explain. What picture, and what about the picture?
“Kind of like Ashton Kutcher playing a doofus, you know what I mean?”
“I have Aspergers and my brother had syndromal autism and was low functioning...”
Well, I don’t see how that makes you an expert. Plus, where do you get off using the word spectrum? /s
Thanks for weighing in, BTW.
with examples from the show
I wear glasses. That doesn’t make me an optometrist...
He seemed to be smart enough to destroy his hard drive.
I’d like to know if mom brought her children to church or enrolled them in religious studies. Anyone know?
Asked point-blank in this video response on a Variety blog, though, actor Jim Parsons says that he was startled when fan questions led him to descriptions of Asperger’s syndrome that perfectly matched the character he’d been hired to play. So does Sheldon have it?
“The writers say no, he doesn’t. ...” Parson shrugs in his response, “[But] I can say that he couldn’t display more facets of it.”
Those are characteristics that are common with the disorder of Autism (High Functioning and PDD-NOS), as well as Asperger's Syndrome. There are other characteristics, such as needing strict routines, having a strong interest in one or two specific areas (one student I worked with was able to at age 7 tell me about every plant in a garden at his day-care provider's home with details on germination, planting season, etc). Difficulty with maintaining direct eye contact, or a complete lack of eye contact. Sensitivity to sound, lighting, fabrics, taste, or texture (we have students where I work who cannot handle the warning bells or fire alarms). They often are extremely rigid with rules, except that they don't always understand how rules apply to them. These individuals often perseverate on things. A middle school student I worked with had to complete any single task or project before moving on to a different task or project, and often they had to follow a particular order. He was working on a geography project where he was to identify regions of ancient Palastine. Jerusalem was a region on the assignment, but because Jerusalem was also a city he could not grasp how it could be a region. He perseverated on the fact Jerusalem was a city, and could not move past that fact.
Marking this for later read
Sheldon Cooper is a fictional character who isn’t exactly anything to me because he smiles too much and he’s inconsistent with his rituals. In one episode he’ll put his tea bag in his cup before he pours the hot water in the cup and then in another episode he pours the water in and then puts the tea bag in. That’s just one inconsistency.
Uh the Dead Sea Scrolls are not secret.
Excessive literalism on a thread about aspergers? You made a funny, good for you, lol.
The comments from a high school friend of Lanza’s are very revealing.
So where did you get his medical charts from?
You got it! Trust the experts, I always say! (Or rather, “trust the experts!”)
I used to know a German (or Austrian) feller named Asberger (true!), and I used to like Mario Lanza. Doesn’t that make me a expert or what?!
“Autistic spectrum” is just the latest fad term used to aggregate a number of possibly unrelated conditions. “Schizophrenia” has a similar history. It’s just cover for the collective ignorance of the psychiatric profession, which has fallen prey to a puritanical materialism that leads to one scientific dead end after another. Man is hybrid, both machine and spirit, not merely the sum of his chemical constituents, but made in the image of God. Any analysis ignoring this is doomed to wallow in primitive theories of limited benefit to the patient. It is like we have advanced in our biological knowledge in so many good ways, but are still stuck in the “leeches are good for you” stage of psychiatric knowledge. Wasn’t it “Bones” of Star Trek who called 20th Century medicine “stone knives and bear skins?” After my brush with the present state of psychiatry, I have to agree with him. We have a long way to go.
Does that suggest (serious question) that people who don’t get written sarcasm and irony, and as you probably know there are many around here, may be suffering from Asbergers?
Re: “How do you cultivate this (i.e. respect) in someone born without empathy or awareness?”
Good question, but the big elephant in the room which many psychologists/psychobabblers, TV pundits, and Liberals/Marxists refuse to see is that a person can be “EVIL”.
It can be an innate, a birth mental defect in the brain that causes a person to be or become (with age), a sociopath or psychopath. Not their fault as they have no ability to either know right from wrong or to prevent themselves from doing harm to people/animals.
Others become psychopaths through ideological indoctrination, of which the Nazis and Communists were the masters. I might add that back during the time of the Inquisition, for example, religious zealots, in the name of God, performed horrible torture/killings and became psychopaths themselves.
If you study or read about the Cambodian children who were kidnapped by the Khmer Rouge and made to kill their own parents, you will begin to understand one process wherein a normal individual becomes a psychopathic killer. Communism (and Nazism, and Tojoism) kills the learned concepts of good, decent, proper, “normal”, respectful, i.e. “morality.”
So too does Liberalism in its extremis, which you can see so readily in the output of garbage from Hollywood, the criminal Rap singers, the drug culture, etc.
Psychopaths are both born and created. The devolution of American culture (religious, educational, moral, scientific (i.e. the rise of voodoo science like the Communist “Lysenkoism”), and “selective morality” are gateways to leading “normal” people to deviancy (sociopath and psychopathic mindsets).
Religion, for all its problems, has created some universal moral codes which were meant to develop, in people, a way to being a decent person and practicing decency towards others.
Modern Liberalism, added by the extremes of Fascism, Racial Superiority (Fascism and Japanese Imperialism), and Communism, learned that you must destroy this “decency” and create the “new modern man”, a person devoid of personal decency. Instead “decency” is decided and imposed by the “state”, and anyone who opposes this totalitarian mode of governance must be destroyed “as an enemy of the people.”
If you indoctrinate a child at an early age to kill “the enemy” (whoever the state says it is), they will become state-trained killers. Just look at the barbarism of the North Koreans towards their own people, American soldiers, So. Koreans, etc.
Russia/Red China and Kim Il Song created a nation of psychopaths and prisoners, yet the Obama regime thinks it can deal with them on a rational basis. I’m not sure who’s crazier in this case, Obama/Hillary/Rice or the No. Koreans.
The same applies to trying to rationally dealing with harden gangbangers, drug dealers/traffickers, stone-killers/icemen/hitmen, or Ed Schulz. You can try but you can never succeed because they live in a different mental world than we do, devoid of our Judaeo-Christian ethnic and morals.
Some moderate Moslems also live decent lives and don’t hurt anyone, but what do you think of the PLO terrorists who slaughtered many Israeli young school children at Maalot in 1974, and elsewhere? And what was the mindset of the Moslem in France who killed three Moroccan soldiers, a Rabbi and his children in the name of Allah?
Was this mass murderer any different in mindset than Adam Lanza was when he shot little children in the face? This French Moslem slit the throat of a little Jewish girl by holding her hair and pulling her head back, and this kind of killing in normal in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and Algeria, esp. as committed by Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
Did Major Hassan exhibit “morality” when he gunned down fellow American soldiers in the name of “Allah”? I don’t know whether he was always a psychopath or became one over time through self-religious indoctrination (aided by Al-Alaki), but the end result was the same, the slaughter of the innocents.
EVIL exists in this world, yet the Liberals too often refuse to acknowledge its’ existence in people, thus denying themselves the ability to deal with it in its most terrible forms.
I blame the Quakers for a lot of this “respect” for the deviants of society. They believe that even bad people can be saved. How do you save a Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, the Atlanta child killer (Williams?), Ted Bundy, the Zodiac killers, and Lanza?
Sometimes you can’t and you must face the reality that the evil ones must be destroyed, killed, so that they never pose a threat to another human, ever.
Too many Liberals, including psychologists, refuse to accept this reality and make excuses for that which cannot be excused, only somewhat understood.
PS: Many of my relatives died by execution, gas chambers, or other means of the Nazi killing machine during WW2 at Lemberg, Belzec and Auschwitz concentration camps. There was no rational reason why this had to happen but a whole nation was captivated, mesmerized and indoctrinated by a madman named Hitler (or Stalin, Lenin,Trotsky) or Che Guevera, Pol Pot, Kim Il Song and the greatest mass murderer in history, Mao Tse-tung, White House advisor to Obama, Anita Dunn’s favorite philosopher.
Some people are born evil like Lanza, but they often kill themselves. Others like Dunn and Van Jones learn it at our schools and universities, then get jobs at the White House.
In the end, the innocent are still dead while some of the “mental” killers find successful careers in destroying America and all that is good in it.
It seems fairly evident that FReepers as a group have a higher than average incidence of Aspergers to me.
Visit any John Semmens semi-satire thread if you don’t believe me, lol.
This shrinker’s post facto theory and pseudo-medical diagnosis are as good as anybody’s, including posters on this thread with life experience in the area, and I see no reason to diss anyone offering an opinion, but perhaps those who seem so anxious to it (diss) suffer from similar psychological maladies as the Lanza boy.