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Psychiatrist: Lanza Was 'Pseudocommando' with 'Wounded Narcissism'
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Posted on 12/18/2012 4:12:14 PM PST by servo1969

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To: RegulatorCountry

That’s exactly what prompted my question, the high incidence of dead seriousness when it comes to humor without a laugh track.


51 posted on 12/18/2012 5:35:21 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: RegulatorCountry
Applying the word narcissist to a person with autism, regardless of their level of social functioning, is something of a conflict in terms. They can’t read people very well or even at all with some. Successful manipulators they are not. Grandiose? They do have their fascinations that could appear that way, but it isn’t to impress anyone else, they’re just compelled, it seems.

There are a lot of different meanings of narcissism. "Narcissism" is a pretty good word to use to discribe a more or less "normal" person who's very self-involved and doesn't form relationships with other people. It's of less use in describing psychopathologies and the different senses of the word can get in the way of understanding. With really damaged people it doesn't fit and doesn't get at what's going on in their heads.

52 posted on 12/18/2012 5:35:41 PM PST by x
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To: RegulatorCountry

The security head of his high school who also advised Lanza’s extracurricular activity said he had to be watched closely because he could not feel the pain caused by fire and thus could damage himself severely. I have the same thing your dad had and don’t notice any cut or blister in my foot. Thus I inspect my feet nightly. There is some feeling but I do have issues with balance.

I was just wondering how anyone could look at young children and shoot them multiple times. Imagine the terror and pain of the child waiting to die. Empathy won’t let most of us do this. Perhaps he couldn’t imagine what they were feeling? The other reasons for such a killing frenzy (religion, race or ethnic hatred, not believing the others to be human) don’t seem to be present here.


53 posted on 12/18/2012 5:37:40 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: MeganC

LOLOL!


54 posted on 12/18/2012 5:40:21 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: servo1969

pseudocommandos … driven by strong feelings of anger and resentment, in addition to having a paranoid character. He plans out the offense ritualistically, and comes prepared with a powerful arsenal of weapons.”
“pseudocommando] most often kills in public during the daytime. And has no escape planned. Pseudocommandos are ‘collectors of injustice’ who nurture their wounded narcissism and ultimately retreat into a fantasy life of violence and revenge.”

Knoll wrote that killers like Lanza have an “obliterative mindset “

Damn! You could insert nobama into each graphic description and explain a lot.


55 posted on 12/18/2012 5:44:24 PM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: stormer
I wear glasses. That doesn’t make me an optometrist...

Not the same situation.

56 posted on 12/18/2012 5:45:16 PM PST by Aria ( 2008 & 2012 weren't elections - they were coup d'etats.)
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To: Revolting cat!

One of the funnier episodes of Big Bang Theory involved Sheldon Cooper’s roommate having to make a “sarcasm” sign.

What kind of pandemonium would break out on FR without the “/s,” lol?


57 posted on 12/18/2012 5:45:30 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: servo1969
“Want to make a material impact? Think deeper. Cultivate a respect for how to teach compassion, nonviolence and personal responsibility in individual minds.”

This is exactly what I see that went wrong.
This kid needed Bible study or church if ever a kid needed it. He had no line in his mind that he could not cross. I believe he was powerless and scared all his life. He then exploded in a rage, takeing the ultimate power over human life. Killing was rehearsed in this kids mind a 100 times or more. Thou shalt not kill? Maybe he heard that once.

I have yet to hear that this kid was a member of any church.

58 posted on 12/18/2012 5:46:49 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: P.O.E.
Don’t they have hours of interviews with these mass killers? (Dahmer, Gacy, Holmes, etc.)

Those are serial killers, it's a different mentality from a mass or spree killer.

59 posted on 12/18/2012 5:47:40 PM PST by Mountain Bike Vomit Carnage ("Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom his favor rests.")
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To: babble-on

I like your Goldwater quote...


60 posted on 12/18/2012 5:47:45 PM PST by stormer
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Unfortunately, you’re right — there are truly evil people in the world, and toward evil one shows no mercy. (As a proud Jew myself, I feel like quoting the Talmud to liberals: those who are kind to the cruel become cruel to the kind.)

Lanza apparently was into videogames, which says not only a lot about our culture, as you said, but his state of mind: he broke off with reality and immersed himself in a fantasy world of power.

And yet.

From what I know so far, much of what Lanza did seem premeditated:

1) He picked a school that had easy access (they knew his mother)

2) He shot his mother quite deliberately, which indicated a lot of issues with her.

3) He shot himself when he knew the jig was up (police found a lot of ammo on him, which suggested that had they not shown up, he would have killed more, showing he was aware of consequences)

4) He apparently tried to destroy his hard drive, which indicates that he wanted to hide something.

Had he suddenly snapped, run around raving, or thought the kids were Martians, it might be excused as schizophrenic behavior. (Though certainly not condoned.) But this seems cold-blooded.

(BTW, he looked strange — crazy eyes. So did the guys in Arizona & Colorado.)


61 posted on 12/18/2012 5:49:19 PM PST by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

62 posted on 12/18/2012 5:50:41 PM PST by stormer
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To: MeganC

Well done!


63 posted on 12/18/2012 5:52:13 PM PST by KevinB (A country that would elect Barack Obama president twice is no longer worth fighting for.)
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To: X-spurt
You could insert nobama into each graphic description and explain a lot.

That was my first thought as well, just from reading the title!

64 posted on 12/18/2012 5:53:15 PM PST by meyer (Proud member of the 53%.)
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To: P.O.E.

“Either the experts are keeping their findings more secret than the Dead Sea Scrolls, or they really don’t know how to pre-diagnose it.”

Sorry, but the truth is that with the exception of the BAU Unit on TV, predicting criminal behavior is about at the stage where Roman Era future telling was.

For those unfamiliar with Roman methods of “Divination”, think ‘chicken entrails’. That’s right - looking at chicken entrails was considered to have predictive value. But don’t laugh too hard at those poor, backward Romans.

Those same “soft sciences” who now bring you predictive capability” just yesterday were touting Sigmund Fraud. Oops, make that Sigmund Freud. Hmmn, was that a ‘Freudian’ slip?

;-)

Do remember that one of the major foundational philosophies of soft sciences claiming predictive capabilities in human behavior was(and many still are) deeply committed to both Freud and his egregious lying about his “patients” who turned out to be imaginary.

But, let’s cut Siggie and his acolytes some slack - after all Freud may have heard ‘The Voices’ telling him about those fictional patients.

When ‘The Voices’ speak, Liberals listen.


65 posted on 12/18/2012 5:53:54 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: MoochPooch

I think that is exactly right.


66 posted on 12/18/2012 5:56:51 PM PST by secret garden (Why procrastinate when you can perendinate?)
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To: JimSEA
The kind of thinking that is encouraged by conscious or lucid dreaming can do it, what's in front of their eyes is no more real than a cartoon and it's a malleable one, to them. Carlos Castaneda stuff. There's even a very well regarded theory of “biocentrism” gaining currency that say the universe is created by the mind, wild stuff with at least some level of scientific credence being afforded it. This theory is the work of a man named Lanza, strangely enough.
67 posted on 12/18/2012 5:57:49 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: servo1969

From day one his brother said he had autism PLUS a personality disorder.

I understand autism is generally not violent


68 posted on 12/18/2012 6:04:59 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

I understand autism is generally not violent

__________________________

On what planet?


69 posted on 12/18/2012 6:09:59 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: MeganC
I agree. I have a PhD with thirty years experience including forensic evaluations and risk assessment of the criminally insane. This is indeed faculty lounge, armchair speculation, and makes no sense in the context of a person with a spectrum disorder, which apparently is the prevailing impression of this perpetartor.
70 posted on 12/18/2012 6:14:35 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: MeganC

Yup on the non-verbal cues. (”Stop staring at me!”) Oh, and how about ‘subtle hints?’ Body language? Labrador retrievers... experts. Heelers, not so much.

Thank you for sharing your experiences. I’m actually amazed at the animosity aimed toward you in the replies. I don’t do non-verbal, but there’s a whole lot of anal ex-spurt on this thread. All I have for them is: if you’ve been there, no explanation is necessary. If you haven’t, none is possible.

So, as we head into the next year of ban the guns and jail the aspies, I leave you with this thought... would you trade it to be like them? I wouldn’t.


71 posted on 12/18/2012 6:19:21 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: Perdogg
I wonder what role “SW:Revenge of the Sith” had to play.

I blame Jar Jar Binks.

72 posted on 12/18/2012 6:23:34 PM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Thank you for your reasoned and polite post.


73 posted on 12/18/2012 6:27:02 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: MeganC

LOL! Well done!


74 posted on 12/18/2012 6:28:01 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: MeganC

Your ignorance is showing. People on the high-functioning end of the autistic spectrum have emotions as complex as the rest of us, and can be as sane, or as insane as anyone else.

Empathy may not come easily to people on the autistic spectrum, but you can raise such a child with good moral principles, a sound conscience, and a rational view of the world.

I concur, howerver, with your judgement of the psychiatrist and his psychobabble.


75 posted on 12/18/2012 6:29:43 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Springfield Reformer
Wasn’t it “Bones” of Star Trek who called 20th Century medicine “stone knives and bear skins?” After my brush with the present state of psychiatry, I have to agree with him. We have a long way to go.

Scene from "Star Trek - The Voyage Home" where Bones comments on 20th century medicine.

76 posted on 12/18/2012 6:32:28 PM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: truth_seeker
Autistic people are not known particularly for going on shooting sprees, but they are sometimes violent, and unpredictably so. It would be a mistake to paint them all as one way or the other. As with all mental illnesses, individual differences are significant.
77 posted on 12/18/2012 6:39:06 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Chickensoup

“On what planet?”

From what I have read, the personality disorder mentioned by his brother on day one is the more likely cause of his violence.

Regardless of the technicalities, I want dangerous people isolated, not mainstreamed.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbo=d&q=autism+violence&oq=autism+violence&gs_l=serp.12..0l4j0i30l6.1986.6413.0.15132.10.10.0.0.0.0.211.1416.0j9j1.10.0.les%3Bcqn%2Cfixedpos%3Dfalse%2Cboost_normal%3D40%2Cboost_high%3D40%2Ccconf%3D1-2%2Cmin_length%3D2%2Crate_low%3D0-035%2Crate_high%3D0-035%2Csecond_pass%3Dfalse%2Cignore_bad_origquery%3Dtrue%2Conetoken%3Dfalse..0.0...1c.1.widebzE3Mvs


78 posted on 12/18/2012 6:42:57 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

Autism is not a personality disorder.


79 posted on 12/18/2012 6:44:27 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Chickensoup

Sieze the guns! Jail the aspies!


80 posted on 12/18/2012 6:48:27 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: glock rocks

You’ll never get me alive coppers! I’ve got trivia on my side!

Oh and this chickensoup guy must know a lot about my personal history. I mean I would get into fights......wait I wouldn’t. I would hmmmmm.........except for a tiny bit of attempted aggression and a jealous attack on a down syndrome kid who was more well-liked by the student population whereas I was the weird one........oh I am sorry I have never hit anyone, nor killed anyone. So one person is enough to cover a whole group?

I cannot believe that I would have to come on here and defend myself because the killer’s parents have come up with the idea that Adam is autistic without even a formal diagnosis. I am waiting for the eventual idea of donating his brain to science since we are so fascinated by it.


81 posted on 12/18/2012 6:55:04 PM PST by Merta (I blame Adam)
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To: glock rocks

Sieze the guns! Jail the aspies!


nonsense.


82 posted on 12/18/2012 6:58:53 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Merta; MeganC
So one person is enough to cover a whole group?

hell, I was a bouncer in a biker bar for a year during engineering school, and never had to get into a fight. (I'll discount being a 6' 3" 230 lb athlete at the time, because we were talking about something else). So, that makes two of us, and with Megan, three. Empiracle proof!

83 posted on 12/18/2012 7:10:15 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: Chickensoup

Autism was just one part of Adam’s makeup.


84 posted on 12/18/2012 7:10:40 PM PST by Merta (I blame Adam)
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To: Chickensoup
sorry, left out the </nonsense> tag
85 posted on 12/18/2012 7:14:02 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: meyer

That is also a part of the black street hustler psychology. A bit of terrorizer threat to get his own way. Reminder of the days when the mob ran protection rackets.

The bright side, yeah I know its hard to see, is that liberal progressives have a strong tendency to over-reach and at some point PO enough voters to throw them out AGAIN.


86 posted on 12/18/2012 7:18:35 PM PST by X-spurt (Ted Cruz for President of the Republic of Texas)
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To: MeganC

IF that diagnosis was correct. With the huge increase in autism/Aspergers diagnoses lately, there is certainly a case to be made that false diagnoses account for some of that increase. It’s become almost trendy to say your child has Asperger’s, or ASD, certainly more trendy than saying your kid is lazy, mean, or a brat.

Most people with Aspergers don’t manifest this kind of violence either, it’s more of a trait of people with some type of psychosis, so I think that probably weighs in favor of a misdiagnosis too. Of course all of that is just armchair speculation, so take it for what it’s worth.


87 posted on 12/18/2012 7:23:12 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Well said.


88 posted on 12/18/2012 7:28:30 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Boogieman

I hope that it is a misdiagnosis. That way all of the town psychologists can go and start ruminating over something else. I remember originally being diagnosed with PDD(Pervasive Developmental Disorder) before asperger’s was first diagnosed in 1994. Around the time of graduating High School I had learned why I was treated like an idiot, had an association with the special education classes and had a speech impediment and a weird voice. It was really hard to accept autism because I’ve been desperately wanting to be seen as normal through all of my life.

Overtime I’ve become comfortable with the diagnosis but now it has become a demon on my own attitude and behavior. What a breath of fresh air it would be if the parents were wrong on their diagnosis. It still wouldn’t excuse all of the ugly things I’ve read being said about somebody with my disability but I guess I can get over it. I’ve read ugly stuff before.


89 posted on 12/18/2012 7:34:08 PM PST by Merta (I blame Adam)
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To: MeganC; stormer; Recovering Ex-hippie

Megan —

Unquestionably among the best responses to someone acting like a jerk that I’ve read on FR.

Robin


90 posted on 12/18/2012 7:34:48 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

Wow. Excellent post.


91 posted on 12/18/2012 7:38:04 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: Merta

There is no “normal.”

Listen to the lyrics of “I Wouldn’t Want to Be Like You” by Alan Parsons.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gfeRJ4JBEHc


92 posted on 12/18/2012 7:49:44 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: glock rocks

I really like Eye in the Sky. Yeah I guess I just want a girlfriend who I can get married to, respect in the world, and a social life like some of my peers but without nightclubs and crowds. I mean perhaps envisioning a grand collection of video games, comedy movies by the mile all paid for because I would be a successful lyricist and songwriter may not be the most normal of aspirations I guess but I wouldn’t give that dream up for anything.

I really liked that song you posted. There are plenty of songs that do encapsulate thinking for yourself, not doubting yourself and others. I just wish that that feeling from those songs would sink in longer than a few minutes. I get so easily distracted by rhetoric.


93 posted on 12/18/2012 8:03:02 PM PST by Merta (I blame Adam)
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To: Merta

I hear ya. If you have access to Netflix or Amazon, look for the movie called “The Secret.”


94 posted on 12/18/2012 8:27:36 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: glock rocks

The secret of life documentary? Yeah I’ve been really interested in that ever since I started stocking that movie at Best Buy. I don’t think we carry it anymore so those are good suggestions, thanks.


95 posted on 12/18/2012 8:41:48 PM PST by Merta (I blame Adam)
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To: MeganC
While I have problems with sarcasm I’m sure that you don’t and that you’re perfectly able to read this post and ferret out where I’ve implied that you should go have sex with yourself.

Megan

LOL - you're good Megan - really good....

96 posted on 12/18/2012 8:48:28 PM PST by GOPJ (Detroit should be renamed 'Michael Mooresville'...)
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To: Flick Lives

You are right. I stand corrected. I was a bit mixed up. The “Stone knives and bearskins” line was actually something Spock said in City on the Edge of Forever. But McCoy did opine on 20th Century medicine in that same episode:

McCoy: ... Oh, I’d give a lot to see the hospital. Probably needles and sutures. All the pain. They used to hand-cut and sew people like garments. Needles and sutures. Oh, the terrible pain!

And, well, he was right both times.


97 posted on 12/18/2012 8:59:56 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I recall the peyote and loco weed. That sort of thing without the drugs? Might be.


98 posted on 12/18/2012 9:10:07 PM PST by JimSEA
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To: MeganC

“Lanza was in the autistic spectrum and was incapable of having many of the grand issues that this psychoblabber proposes he had.”

Agreed, a little too much babble.

Although — I sense that regardless of his abilities to excel in certain areas (such as computers), Adam Lanza was probably quite childlike in many ways, hamstrung by his disability (Asperger’s). He probably didn’t have the ability to handle the powers of adult emotions and physical development (i.e., sexual expression) as would a normal 20-year-old. (perhaps that’s just more babble, as well)

Drudge has this Fox News article up, that speculates that the boy was upset because his mother was taking action to gain conservatorship over him and have him committed:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/18/fear-being-committed-may-have-caused-connecticut-madman-to-snap/

Interesting article, worth reading.


99 posted on 12/18/2012 9:27:35 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; MeganC

“THAT was one of the best responses I’ve seen on Freep!”

Nope. Post #10 is.


100 posted on 12/18/2012 9:30:56 PM PST by Road Glide
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