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EXCLUSIVE: Fear of being committed may have caused Connecticut gunman to snap
Foxnews ^ | 12/18/12 | Jana Winter

Posted on 12/18/2012 9:11:28 PM PST by KansasGirl

NEWTOWN, Conn. – The gunman who slaughtered 20 children and six adults at a Connecticut elementary school may have snapped because his mother was planning to commit him to a psychiatric facility, according to a lifelong resident of the area who was familiar with the killer’s family and several of the victims’ families.

Adam Lanza, 20, targeted Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown after killing his mother early Friday because he believed she loved the school “more than she loved him,” said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place. Flashman, a U.S. Marine, is the son of a pastor at an area church where many of the victims' families worship.

“From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed," Flashman told FoxNews.com. "Adam was apparently very upset about this. He thought she just wanted to send him away. From what I understand, he was really, really angry. I think this could have been it, what set him off.”

A senior law enforcement official involved in the investigation confirmed that Lanza's anger at his mother over plans for “his future mental health treatment” is being looked at as a possible motive for the deadly shooting.

Flashman was told Nancy Lanza had begun filing paperwork to get conservatorship over her troubled son, but that could not be confirmed because a court official told FoxNews.com such records are sealed. The move would have been necessary for her to gain the legal right to commit an adult to a hospital or psychiatric facility against his will. A competency hearing had not yet been held.

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1 posted on 12/18/2012 9:11:33 PM PST by KansasGirl
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To: KansasGirl

Sounds like one of those things where the guy doesn’t want to go to jail so he either takes his life or tries killing as many people as he can before he is stopped.


2 posted on 12/18/2012 9:17:17 PM PST by Merta (I blame Adam)
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To: KansasGirl
Flashman said nobody will completely understand why Adam did what he did. “No one can explain Adam Lanza besides God and Adam Lanza, and I don’t even think Adam Lanza could explain Adam Lanza, to be honest with you.”

In 1984, I was asked to analyze a "Character" curriculum. I got a team together and we went over it with a fine tooth comb. Our findings were rather interesting. The program was specially designed to disengage the student from any of the moorings that help a child to grow into an adult, most notably the parents, but also any faith in God. At one point, one member of my team said that he actually felt as though he was staring into the pit of hell as he read through the fifth grade lesson where the teacher was instructed to help the children come to terms with the Andes plane crash and the resulting cannibalism, with questions that kneaded emotions out of the children. Questions like: how would you feel if you and your friends were in a plane crash like that? Would you be able to eat your friends?

I took that program to an old parish priest, the kind of man whose common sense made him someone I just had to talk to. I showed him the very worst pages of the program. He read through it and put his hand on his forehead, sighed deeply and said: "You know you could have five kids go through this and four of them might end up with a few quirks, but that fifth one?" He then just shook his head.

My point is this - there have been programs just like the one I studied in place all over this country since the 80s. It was only a matter of time when those "fifth children" begin to commit acts of mass murder. Add anti-depressants and you have a recipe for disaster.

What I noticed in 1984 was that these programs were carefully constructed so that no one, not the teacher, the student, nor the parent would have any idea that anything was happening to the student.

We were successful at getting the program we studied thrown out. However, we had no way of convincing others as to the danger these kind of "character" programs posed.

This type of education is the root of the problem. And it infests every public school system. And, is endorsed by the CDC and the NEA.

But, it is so well hidden no one would know where to begin to look for it.

The reason for it all? They have a vested interest in turning your children into compliant little Marxists. So what if a few kids go off the deep end and shoot to kill other students?

3 posted on 12/18/2012 9:30:16 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: KansasGirl

The truth of this whole tragic affair has not a single chance of seeing the light of day. All that confidential information leaves a void that will replaced by misimformation that will support the government agenda.. Pure and simple.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 9:34:36 PM PST by oyez (Hell must be a Gun Free Zone.)
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To: Slyfox

So when my son was in grade school, I think it was the 3rd grade, there was new program involving “character and choices”. Parents were told they could opt their kids out of it and that they could view some sample questions available in the principal’s office. So I go in there and read the sample questions. One question went something like this “Would you ever steal money? A) yes B) only if I needed it C) no, I don’t want to get in trouble.”
I remember thinking how about no, because it’s wrong is not an option? I asked to see the other questions and was told they were confidential. I opted him out and after a few weeks of me and my big mouth making sure everyone had known why Logan was opted out and why, every Methodist and Baptist in our county had opted their kids out.
The program ended up being terminated when there were only 10 kids that hadn’t been opted out.


5 posted on 12/18/2012 10:02:56 PM PST by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: KansasGirl

Why is it everytime some nut kills by gun they blame the gun, but when a nut kills by some other method they blame the nut?


6 posted on 12/18/2012 10:06:14 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: KansasGirl
“From what I've been told, Adam was aware of her petitioning the court for conservatorship and (her) plans to have him committed,"

My, what a hot little psychological pressure cooker that home must have been.

Just imagine: The person with the most power over you intends to crush your life plans by having you committed. You hate the idea of being confined and drugged, that's a living nightmare, but what YOU want counts for precisely nothing. You're just a boy. After you have been committed, you know that you will never really be accepted in society. You'll always be the freak, the outsider, for the rest of your life. That's what mommy wants.

She has all the power, and she intends to use it against you. Is there any way to stop her? Well, actually, you have access to her guns, and since your life is already forfeit... Pay her back, and make some innocents pay for your own lost innocence. Do something to make this miserable world share and understand your private hell.

7 posted on 12/18/2012 10:22:07 PM PST by TChad
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
". . . when a nut kills by some other method they blame the nut?"

My answer is they are in the process of unraveling the Constitution. They will try but human kind's thirst for freedom, as put forth by the Founders, is too strong and "The people shall not be deprived or abridged of their (rights)."

8 posted on 12/18/2012 10:23:24 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: KansasGirl

All speculation, but the bottom line is this:

Nobody, but nobody, harbors the kind of rage he did for that amount of time to systematically put between 3 and 11 rounds into so many innocent children, unless satan was at the controls.

This country doesn’t need another assult weapons ban; we need a spiritual revival.


9 posted on 12/18/2012 10:26:56 PM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: KansasGirl

Lanza didn’t snap. He meticulously planned and executed the killing of 26 innocent victims.


10 posted on 12/18/2012 10:34:43 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: oyez

Yup.


11 posted on 12/18/2012 10:36:39 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: KansasGirl

Where was the boy’s father? Or did he divorce his son? We all know he was out making his millions but seems to me he still had a responsibility to his child. Perhaps the mother didn’t want his involvement (?) but still seems like he could have had some kind of input.


12 posted on 12/18/2012 10:37:15 PM PST by Lake Living
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To: chae
You were pretty lucky to catch on about it. Because of experiences like yours they have learned that they have to sneak this kind of education into already established classes. Today these kind of programs can most readily be found inside health classes.

From the CDC website - these kind of classes:

Build personal competence, social competence, and self efficacy by addressing skills. An effective curriculum builds essential skills — including communication, refusal, assessing accuracy of information, decision-making, planning and goal-setting, self-control, and self-management — that enable students to build their personal confidence, deal with social pressures, and avoid or reduce risk behaviors. Sounds pretty good, doesn't it?

The following steps are fundamental in a program which is designed to change a child's behavior. It is a highly sophisticated form of brain-washing:

For each skill, students are guided through a series of developmental steps:

Discussing the importance of the skill, its relevance, and relationship to other learned skills.
Presenting steps for developing the skill.
Modeling the skill.
Practicing and rehearsing the skill using real–life scenarios.
Providing feedback and reinforcement.

It is through this technique by which a teacher can change a child's behavior, way of thinking, belief in God, reliance on parents - whatever they desire. In the 1980s it was called "values clarification."

Teachers, for the most part do not know the effect they are having. The parent will not know, unless they accidentally catch on. And sadly, the student will have no idea what is happening to him.

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/sher/characteristics/index.htm

13 posted on 12/18/2012 10:45:48 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: chae

http://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/sher/characteristics/index.htm


14 posted on 12/18/2012 10:46:39 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: TChad

Your post sounds like you are too close to this situation and you made the hairs on my neck stand up. Get some help!


15 posted on 12/18/2012 10:49:06 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: MichaelCorleone
there is no way to prevent these lunatics....they will find a way....shooting, stabbing, burning the place down....they will find a way....

the fact that so very , very few people turn out this way is encouraging, what with 300,000,000 people.....

the only thing I'll say about guns is that responsible people should have the right to have them, but they must be out of reach for others....

16 posted on 12/18/2012 10:50:51 PM PST by cherry
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To: KansasGirl

I don’t think so.


17 posted on 12/18/2012 10:51:50 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: JouleZ
Your post sounds like you are too close to this situation and you made the hairs on my neck stand up. Get some help!

Empathy is not pathological.

If my post made you walk a few feet in the shoes of a kid living in a pressure cooker home, good. There are too damn many of those kids, and too many adults who refuse to notice the realities of young lives.

18 posted on 12/18/2012 11:19:27 PM PST by TChad
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To: KansasGirl

If the mother knew he had serious mental issues...why did she not keep those guns locked up to keep him from getting to them?


19 posted on 12/18/2012 11:26:34 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: TChad
too many adults who refuse to notice the realities of young lives.

Neither do doctors and judges I guess.

20 posted on 12/18/2012 11:41:57 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: itsahoot
Neither do doctors and judges I guess.

If they are acting in their professional capacities, legal constraints and the crude realities of the family court system may prevent them from doing what they would personally prefer to do.

Friends and family are often more useful than the professionals. It helps for an adult without a financial motive to say to the kid, "I see exactly what you are going through. That sucks. Let's change that."

(Of course I do not know if that would have worked in Adam Lanza's specific case.)

21 posted on 12/19/2012 12:24:52 AM PST by TChad
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To: TChad
That is the most inane psychobabble crap I have read in a long time. And I am very careful to parcel out measured use of that word.

Perhaps you should review the definition of insanity.

It is quite similar to the definition of cognitive dissonance.

22 posted on 12/19/2012 12:27:23 AM PST by publius911 (Look for the Union Label -- then buy something else)
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To: publius911
That is the most inane psychobabble crap I have read in a long time.

Well, I hope you at least got a laugh out of it, as I did from your post. Of course all this is just speculation.

Perhaps you should review the definition of insanity.

I have no problem with the notion that Adam Lanza may have been clinically insane and completely unreachable. But I don't know, and insanity should be a last-resort diagnosis. It would not necessarily be a sign of insanity for Lanza to have reacted strongly to the threat of being committed.

23 posted on 12/19/2012 12:47:12 AM PST by TChad
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To: TChad
It was an eye-opener...

≡≡8-O

24 posted on 12/19/2012 12:54:51 AM PST by Does so (Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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To: TChad

That’s probably pretty much it in a nutshell. The one thing you left out was that he had some serious mental/emotional issues to begin with.


25 posted on 12/19/2012 12:58:09 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TChad
It would not necessarily be a sign of insanity for Lanza to have reacted strongly to the threat of being committed.

If by 'reacted strongly' you mean what he actually did I'll have to disagree with that. His acts were pretty much the definition of a psychotic break which is certainly a form of insanity.

26 posted on 12/19/2012 1:07:08 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye
The one thing you left out was that he had some serious mental/emotional issues to begin with.

Sure. And even if my guesses in post #7 are correct, most kids could have handled the stress.

27 posted on 12/19/2012 1:09:56 AM PST by TChad
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To: TigersEye
His acts were pretty much the definition of a psychotic break

And if he had not been threatened with commitment, would he have had that psychotic break?

28 posted on 12/19/2012 1:12:23 AM PST by TChad
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To: TChad

What difference does that make?


29 posted on 12/19/2012 1:13:38 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TChad

You know you already answered your own question in post #27.


30 posted on 12/19/2012 1:15:01 AM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: KansasGirl
Adam Lanza, 20, targeted Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown after killing his mother early Friday because he believed she loved the school “more than she loved him,” said Joshua Flashman, 25, who grew up not far from where the shooting took place

Did the mother work at the school? I've heard conflicting stories.

31 posted on 12/19/2012 2:08:59 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Lake Living
Where was the boy’s father?

I have not heard anything about him other than he had no contact except writing $25k / month checks. Not that there's anything wrong with $25k / month but money can't buy happiness.

32 posted on 12/19/2012 2:13:17 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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