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French psychiatrist sentenced after patient commits murder
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | December 19, 2012 | Reuters

Posted on 12/19/2012 3:58:13 AM PST by No One Special

MARSEILLES, France (Reuters) - A French psychiatrist whose patient hacked an elderly man to death was found guilty of manslaughter on Tuesday in a groundbreaking case that could affect the way patients are treated.

A court in Marseilles said Daniele Canarelli, 58, had committed a "grave error" by failing to recognize the public danger posed by Joel Gaillard, her patient of four years.

Gaillard hacked to death 80-year-old Germain Trabuc with an axe in March 2004 in Gap, in the Alps region of southeastern France, 20 days after fleeing a consultation with Canarelli at Marseilles's Edouard Toulouse hospital.

Canarelli was handed a one-year prison sentence and ordered to pay 8,500 euros to the victim's children, in the first case of its kind in France. Defense lawyers said the ruling would have serious repercussions for treatment of the mentally ill.

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1 posted on 12/19/2012 3:58:18 AM PST by No One Special
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To: No One Special

Mixed feelings here.

While I personally have little faith in psychiatry or it’s purveyors, I suppose in some cases they help.

This will certainly change the way head shrinkers in France treat their patients. But what will society do when the shrink says, this guy need to be locked away, and what chance will a sane person have after that is said?

In America do we even have such facilities any more, and if this effects us here which is unlikely, will not these facilities grow?


2 posted on 12/19/2012 4:17:50 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

The left destroyed our mental hospitals and freed all of the criminally insane demons and demanded that we allow them to live amongst us and that we support them through government welfare... they vote dim so it is all good! Arghhhhhhh... we need INSANE ASYLUMS NOW! Some people are crazy and want to kill you for pleasure... they need to be locked away and that is a fact. It worked... what the left has built... today does not.

LLS


3 posted on 12/19/2012 4:21:28 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: LibLieSlayer

The people, both mentally ‘ill’ and the legitimately retarded became the homeless you see on the streets of every major city.

When Geraldo exposed the horrors of Willowbrook in NYC, a greater horror began. And continues.


4 posted on 12/19/2012 4:24:56 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: No One Special
Gaillard hacked to death 80-year-old Germain Trabuc with an axe in March 2004 in Gap, in the Alps region of southeastern France, 20 days after fleeing a consultation with Canarelli at Marseilles's Edouard Toulouse hospital.

So the patient didn't show up for an appointment, and the psychiatrist is held responsible? That sounds like the psychiatrist was scapegoated, to me.

I wonder if the French still confine the mentally ill in hospitals. If they do what we do--throw the mentally ill out on the streets, mostly to live like rats, and sometimes to commit violent crimes--then I really don't see the basis for punishing the psychiatrist. Her hands would be tied as far as removing a violent psychopath from society.

5 posted on 12/19/2012 4:32:52 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
This traces its roots to Kennedy's Community Mental Health Act of 1963 (CMHA). Politicians and state governments like it, because it's obviously cheaper to have the mentally ill living on the street in cardboard boxes than to house them in mental institutions. Only a small fraction of mentally ill are institutionalized today compared to the years before the act.

As an aside, with the exception of the 1927 Bath School bombing, all of the school massacres in the United States have occurred since 1963.

6 posted on 12/19/2012 4:35:33 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Sooth2222

I don’t deny it. I’m just saying that cases like Williwbrook (which were worse than any horror story Hollywood could dream up) pulled on the public emotions (gee, what a coincidence to our current situation) and galvanized action. For all the wrong reasons and in the exact wrong direction.

MANY years ago as a young lad I worked in a state institution for a couple years and we got some of the people Willowbrook didn’t toss onto the street. Even in the remaining institutions the rules are insane and very ACLU driven.

Either way, this is going to be one incredible cluster FXXX before it’s over.


7 posted on 12/19/2012 4:50:13 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: exDemMom

Seems related:

Oct 22, 2012 ... ROME — Seven prominent Italian earthquake experts were convicted of
manslaughter on Monday and sentenced to six years in prison

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/23/world/europe/italy-convicts-7-for-failure-to-warn-of-quake.html

I could never imagine such things to happen anywhere in my lifetime.


8 posted on 12/19/2012 4:52:02 AM PST by No One Special
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To: exDemMom

And not only that, the courts decided Gaillard was not responsible for his actions and decided not to confine him, just as the psychiartrist had decided!


9 posted on 12/19/2012 4:54:50 AM PST by LSAggie
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To: No One Special
after fleeing a consultation with Canarelli at Marseilles's Edouard Toulouse hospital.

???

I picture Frances McDormand. "He's fleeing the interview!"

10 posted on 12/19/2012 5:05:46 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: LibLieSlayer; Venturer

Charles Krauthammer used to be chief resident for psychiatry at Boston General if memory serves; he says we need lunatic control a lot more than gun control. He says at least some of thepeople doing this stuff would have been locked away prior to the 1970s.


11 posted on 12/19/2012 5:11:11 AM PST by varmintman
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To: varmintman

I always shudder to think of the patients who came to the cold, clinical Krauthammer for help and advice. Sort of like the doctors who treated Marilyn Monroe at Paine Whitney...creepy.


12 posted on 12/19/2012 5:24:11 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: exDemMom

De-institutionalization was a broad western phenomenon. When my sister was in school studying for psychiatry, she did a report on the man responsible for it in Italy who brought attention to the horrible state mental institutes were in.

While it was horrific that Western nations like Italy were chaining people to beds and leaving them in rooms in a drugged stupor 24 hours a day as late as the 60s, the response of abolishing them outright was an over-correction that has had a lot of negative social consequences.


13 posted on 12/19/2012 5:34:21 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: Venturer

This trend of putting professionals in jail for faulty judgment is disturbing to me.

A few weeks ago, some Italian scientists were jailed for incorrectly predicting earthquakes.

The result is likely to drive good people out of these businesses, leaving only charlatans who hedge their bets by hype - think defensive medicine by US doctors that jacks up medical costs due to unneeded procedures and tests.

Jail for Gross negligence: yes! But this is not what is currently occurring.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 6:03:57 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: No One Special

As soon as I saw this psychiatrist headline on Drudge yesterday, I associated it with the earthquake scientists. This will not end well.


15 posted on 12/19/2012 6:12:46 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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To: No One Special

What? No call for gun control yet?/sarc


16 posted on 12/19/2012 6:22:18 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: No One Special

That is ridiculous. There will be unintended consequences from that ruling.


17 posted on 12/19/2012 6:24:47 AM PST by EEGator
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To: No One Special

You just posted what I was going to. It’s unbelievable.


18 posted on 12/19/2012 6:28:11 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: No One Special

In some states if a patient suicides up to five days after discharge from a facility, the discharging psychiatrist is held liable and has what would be termed as a “clinical colonoscopy” of the case and the practitioner by the state, the oversight commitees, the beurcrats and peers.

It is horrific that a good deed like volunteer suicide hot lines from the late sixties and early seventies have morphed into a burecratic morass that makes people responsible for the deeds of others, even when due diligence is served.

I am not talking about Tarasoff here (where if a patient states he is going to hurt someone, that the potential victim must be warned) I am talking about the expectation of predicting what behavior will be in two days, three days... and so on.

Psychiatric patient have issues because they do not think clearly. They can be some of the most wonderful and winsome people around, but frankly, their judgment often is poor to non-existent.


19 posted on 12/19/2012 6:30:19 AM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I agree.

LLS


20 posted on 12/19/2012 6:30:47 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: No One Special

If this idea comes to the USA you’ll have people being locked up for playing video games that depict violent scenes, for saying “violent words,” for having “too much” interest in guns.

The American psyche has always had a hard time understanding the meaning of “moderation.”


21 posted on 12/19/2012 6:35:26 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: miss marmelstein
Locking away criminally or dangerously insane people works... if you are a threat to society then you must have contact with society limited. It worked and touchy-feely liberalism leads to mass murder and violence on a grand scale.

LLS

22 posted on 12/19/2012 6:47:13 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: Norm Lenhart
[The people, both mentally ‘ill’ and the legitimately retarded became the homeless you see on the streets of every major city.]

The U.S. prison system is filled with these people. One rationale for closing mental institutions was the revolution in neuro “wonder drugs” of the ‘70’s and ‘80’s. These medications enable many mental health patients to function in society. The problem is if the patient isn't monitored closely he may fail to take his meds and then drop off the radar.

At the same time lawyers and judges have made it near impossible to force at risk patients into involuntary custody and treatment. Where I live a doctor must swear before a judge that the patient is an immediate threat to himself or others before he can be forcibly confined. Then the patient can turn around and sue the doctor.

As a result of all this people with serious mental or emotional disorders just stumble along until they commit some serious crimes and go to prison where they finally get some treatment.

23 posted on 12/19/2012 8:00:19 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: exDemMom

It is how socialism works,you find innocent people who where at the wrong placer and at the wrong time and you lock them up.It keeps the rest of the population on their toes.

If they’re looking to lockup anyone who goes to a psychiatrist to get mental counseling,which is not a crime as that person is admitting they need mental help then they are making a grave mistake.People aren’t going to look to get help if it means they can loss everything.


24 posted on 12/19/2012 9:59:59 AM PST by Del Rapier
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To: No One Special
Oct 22, 2012 ... ROME — Seven prominent Italian earthquake experts were convicted of manslaughter on Monday and sentenced to six years in prison

There are people who actually believe that scientific advances can be made by protesting in the street. I saw some group recently patting themselves on the back for all the advances in HIV research and treatment--which they had achieved by protesting outside the White House. I think it is people like that, who think that science and magic are indistinguishable, who send scientists to prison for failing to predict the unpredictable. Or who send doctors to prison for failing to control patients who are resisting treatment.

25 posted on 12/19/2012 7:30:24 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

In a happier time I laughed out loud when reading about a “scientist” named Lysenko in the Soviet Union. His theory was that acquired characteristics could be heritable. He went far in the party cuz they liked his theory, something about producing a new Soviet man who would give according to his abilities, or something.


26 posted on 12/19/2012 8:48:59 PM PST by No One Special
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