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Republicans put squeeze on Obama in "fiscal cliff" talks
Yahoo Finance ^ | 12/19/12 | Thomas Ferraro and Richard Cowan

Posted on 12/19/2012 6:30:29 AM PST by crosshairs

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Frustrated by their inability to wring more "fiscal cliff" concessions out of President Barack Obama, Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives announced Tuesday night that they expect to pass their own tax bill as a backup plan to avert the tax hikes and automatic budget cuts set to occur in January.

No one expects the bill, which would extend low tax rates except on income of $1 million and above, to pass the Democratic-controlled Senate. President Barack Obama's latest position puts the threshold for income tax hikes at $400,000. While the move, called "Plan B" by Republicans, may not prompt Obama to give further ground in his negotiations with House Speaker John Boehner, it could allow Republicans to argue they did what they could to stop tax hikes and the full impact of the "fiscal cliff," which the Congressional Budget Office and economists have said could trigger another recession.

"Why not put on the floor something that's what most Americans think the president is talking about, which is protecting from tax increases everybody but truly millionaires and billionaires?," said Republican Representative Pat Tiberi of Ohio. When it dies in the Senate, he said, "that's not our problem. We can't be held responsible for what the Senate does."

Polls have consistently suggested that the public is likely to blame Republicans for failure to reach a deal ahead of the December 31 deadline for action. After important concessions in recent days from both Obama and Boehner, Republicans expressed frustration that the president had not moved further. The White House seemed unconcerned by the Republican tactic, and stressed Obama's willingness to compromise further

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: conservtaxincrease; fiscalcliff
Where's this malarky coming from? We already know the Republicans caved.
1 posted on 12/19/2012 6:30:38 AM PST by crosshairs
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To: crosshairs
Frustrated by their inability to wring more "fiscal cliff" concessions out of President Barack Obama

"More"? Hilarious.

2 posted on 12/19/2012 6:32:46 AM PST by skeeter
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To: crosshairs
I am not sure why people are wetting their pants over this, obamugabe wants to go over the cliff and there isn't going to be a deal.

It is amazing Boehner has called Bronco's bluff twice and no one wants to even acknowledged that.

3 posted on 12/19/2012 6:33:48 AM PST by Perdogg (Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA4) for President 2016)
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To: crosshairs

Boehner et al need to put Plan B in the hopper and dismiss for Christmas

then the GOP needs expert PR help to make sure the public is aware obama and Harry reid own the results of not signing it


4 posted on 12/19/2012 6:36:20 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: skeeter
NPR took a similar line yesterday. I paraphrase, of course, but their reporting indicated that Obama had made significant concessions, Republicans got almost everything they asked for, and STILL the Republicans were demanding more from Obama -- until Obama (what a guy!) finally put his foot down, stood up to mean old John Boehner and said, "I will not provide more concessions."

The stuff I hear in the media staggers me. It's just lies for the Sheeple. There is no news in it. There is no truth in it.

5 posted on 12/19/2012 6:37:29 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: crosshairs
"The president has demonstrated an obvious willingness to compromise and move more than halfway toward the Republicans," White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters, adding that Obama is making a "good faith" effort to reach a compromise.

Boehner proposed $1 million. Obama countered with $400,000.

I'm not sure Carney knows what "halfway" means.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 6:40:25 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: silverleaf
Boehner et al need to put Plan B in the hopper and dismiss for Christmas

then the GOP needs expert PR help to make sure the public is aware obama and Harry reid own the results of not signing it

Yeah but if they do that, they won't get invited to any of the cool DC Christmas parties!

7 posted on 12/19/2012 6:41:52 AM PST by COBOL2Java (kak-is-toc-ra-cy: Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens. See: GOP-e)
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To: crosshairs

Anyone voting against this latest house bill is voting for higher taxes on any income earned <$1M, which is 99.99% of us.

Will Reid even put it up for a vote?


8 posted on 12/19/2012 6:43:17 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: silverleaf

This is actually a decent plan, if it is true. Pass the tax rate extention, with a bone to Obama and the Dems.

If the Senate and the executive branch don’t want that - then that is their problem.


9 posted on 12/19/2012 6:43:20 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: silverleaf

Boehner needs to make a phone call to the guy who is in charge of the part of the federal government that controls spending and tax bills. Maybe that guy (what’s his name?) could help Boehner out and give him the tools he needs to take firm action.


10 posted on 12/19/2012 6:43:20 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: crosshairs

Anyone voting against this latest house bill is voting for higher taxes on any income earned <$1M, which is 99.99% of us.

Will Reid even put it up for a vote?


11 posted on 12/19/2012 6:43:26 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Triple

“This is actually a decent plan, if it is true. Pass the tax rate extention, with a bone to Obama and the Dems.”

Just pass the tax rate extension for 6 months and go home for Christmas. Let Reid figure it out.


12 posted on 12/19/2012 6:54:47 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: crosshairs

BOEHNER!

1) Pass your Plan “B” with NO tax increases on anyone and have ALL Republicans vote for it.

2) Bring Plan “A” legislation to the floor with tax rates unchanged except for those above $400,000 and have ALL REPUBLICANS vote PRESENT. Let Pelosi and her cabal vote for it and send it on.

3) Neither plan should have any of the other tax increases that are planned to go into effect. Current rates should all be extended.

4) Go home.


13 posted on 12/19/2012 6:58:55 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: ArGee

Considering that theOne’s starting point was $250,000, it needs to be much closer to $600,000 to look even halfway.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 7:09:46 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: skeeter

This is just GOP Kabuki theatre. They have already caved as usual and agreed to tax hikes now and spending cuts in the future which will never come.

Boehner should have required closing the EPA, Dept of Energy and Dept of Education as prerequisites for any increase in the debt ceiling as well as making the Bush tax cuts permanent. Let Barry take the blame for going over the cliff.


15 posted on 12/19/2012 7:16:22 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: skeeter

Plan B = Socialist Republicans. “taxes on those making 1 million or more....”


16 posted on 12/19/2012 7:17:29 AM PST by elephant
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To: silverleaf

bingo....but the stupid party doesn’t understand this...just yesterday i received an email from the NY GOP proudly announcing they “endorse Rience Priebus for a second term!!”....

you should see my response to that email..


17 posted on 12/19/2012 7:27:24 AM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The stuff I hear in the media staggers me. It's just lies for the Sheeple. There is no news in it. There is no truth in it.

The MSM has always been left leaning, but in the past 10 years they've crossed the Rubicon. They're now a full blown wholly owned organ of the state.

The political left is on an accelerating slide as a result. We won't believe where we are in 5 years.

18 posted on 12/19/2012 7:34:21 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Georgia Girl 2
spending cuts in the future which will never come.

Oh, I guarantee that the DEFENSE spending cuts put forth in the ultimatum by the Super Committee will go into effect.

The debate on CUTS was left entirely out of the "Fiscal Cliff" stuff by both sides!
19 posted on 12/19/2012 7:36:52 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

No pubbie will ever get the epa closed or any other aphabet agency closed down...but they CAN cut their funding massively.

I do not see that there is ANY will to do that by this house group. All they can seem to do is blather on then collapse like a deck of cards...

They should at a minumum vote to extend for 4 months the status quo and go home. Then when they come back do not select Boehner as speaker and fight harder.

IMHO.


20 posted on 12/19/2012 7:40:10 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: crosshairs; ml/nj; ExTexasRedhead; little jeremiah; cripplecreek; SunkenCiv; Clintonfatigued; ...
After important concessions in recent days from both Obama and Boehner, Republicans expressed frustration that the president had not moved further. The White House seemed unconcerned by the Republican tactic, and stressed Obama's willingness to compromise further.

Hey there, you Reuters jerks who wrote this article, what were the "important concessions" from Obama? You must be deliberately deceiving your readers, just as the MSM propagandists generally do.

As long as the Republicans are in the mood to pass bills in the House, why not vote again to repeal Obamacare as another move toward fiscal sanity? It would also be good political strategy.

21 posted on 12/19/2012 8:06:20 AM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: justiceseeker93
RE :”...what were the “important concessions” from Obama?”

Obama offered to limit some cost of living increases in current SS benefits to seniors, at least that is what was reported yesterday and his supporters seemed to believe it.

This is smart on his part as most probably vote Republican.

22 posted on 12/19/2012 8:16:01 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

“I will allow some spending to increase somewhat more slowly. There. You have your concession. It’s more than you deserve. Now — give me everything I want.”


23 posted on 12/19/2012 8:18:19 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: skeeter

“I am committed to standing against any benefit cuts to programs Americans rely on, and tying Social Security benefits to chained CPI is a benefit cut,” Democratic Representative Keith Ellison said in a statement.

Who really cares what a democrat who is not in leadership in the House thinks. His voice is less than Zero.


24 posted on 12/19/2012 8:32:38 AM PST by CPT Clay (Follow me on Twitter @Clay N TX)
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To: Perdogg

Perdogg, if the GOP and Boehner don’t cave, these “Boo-Birds” on this forum are gonna be really, really pissed!


25 posted on 12/19/2012 8:33:38 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: ClearCase_guy
RE “I will allow some spending to increase somewhat more slowly. There. You have your concession. It’s more than you deserve. Now — give me everything I want.”

The tax increases are automatic so O has it easy there but he is also demanding a debt limit extension to sign any tax rate extension bill.

This is why the bill Bohner is passing is important : extending rates for below $1M.
That allows him to point out that O is rejecting tax cut extensions for 99.9% of voters until he gets increases in the debt limit, meaning he is holding our taxes hostage.

The problem is that some Republicans are saying they oppose the extension too, the one O is rejecting. This just shows that only one side is determined to win , and it starts with D

26 posted on 12/19/2012 8:34:39 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

“Anyone voting against this latest house bill is voting for higher taxes on any income earned <$1M, which is 99.99% of us.”

That is so stupid it is downright hilarious.

When FDR got Social Security passed it had only 53,000 beneficiaries. Easy to see how it passed.

The problem arose as this morphed into what we see now which is 60,000,000 beneficiaries, bankrupting the program. There is your 99.9%.

It ALWAYS grows, never shrinks. Just also look at food stamps, unemployment, etc.

If one doesn’t stand on principle, one doesn’t stand on anything.

Your argument that “it doesn’t affect me” is just time-sensitive and completely ignores the fact that these guys pay a hugely dis-proportionate share already.


27 posted on 12/19/2012 8:59:41 AM PST by bestintxas (Anyone who votes for Obama after these 4 miserable years needs to take a mandatory citizenship test.)
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To: Sgt_Schultze
See, your mistake is looking at the facts. The reality is it feels like moving more than halfway to Obama. That's what counts, not something as silly and objective as math.
28 posted on 12/19/2012 9:07:09 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: bestintxas
Anyone voting against this latest house bill is voting for higher taxes on any income earned <$1M, which is 99.99% of us.”
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That is so stupid it is downright hilarious.”

Bohner’s bill extends the Bush tax cuts for all income <$1M which includes ME.

If you are calling for this bills defeat AS THE LEFTISTS ARE then you are calling for my income taxes, and 99.9% of Americans to be raised to the Clinton levels.
But what is so bad about your position (if you want this bill defeated) is that you are not willing to admit that you are demanding that most Americans pay higher taxes, which is what the leftists really want. If you want higher taxes then admit it.

Instead (do you) you call the tax cut a tax increase.

RE “If one doesn’t stand on principle, one doesn’t stand on anything.”

Your principle may be that 99.9% of Americans get a income tax increase, but that is not mine.

29 posted on 12/19/2012 9:14:24 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: bestintxas

O is on TV right now rejecting this bill that you hate that extends tax cuts to 99.9%


30 posted on 12/19/2012 9:17:58 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs
Obama offered to limit some cost of living increases in current SS benefits to seniors, at least that is what was reported yesterday and his supporters seemed to believe it.

Our COLA for 2013 is 1.7%. Big frigging deal!! That is, according to what I've read, a paltry net gain of between $10 and $25 per month. So how much of the measly 1.7% do the RATS want? LOL.

RAT voice, "Hey, $25/month will buy lots of Ramen Noodles or peanut butter and crackers. Quit yer bitchin'."

31 posted on 12/19/2012 10:55:18 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: sickoflibs

“Your principle may be that 99.9% of Americans get a income tax increase, but that is not mine.”

The principle you are defending is that the current problem we are in is that not enough taxes are collected. That is pure BS.

We have a spending problem Tonto, and it is not going away by punishing successful people in this country.

In spite of the fact that you and I are not affected right now, we absolutely will be in the future once this principle of higher taxes comes about.

And you can take that to the bank. Period.


32 posted on 12/19/2012 11:18:24 AM PST by bestintxas (Anyone who votes for Obama after these 4 miserable years needs to take a mandatory citizenship test.)
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To: bestintxas
RE:”Your principle may be that 99.9% of Americans get a income tax increase, but that is not mine.”
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The principle you are defending is that the current problem we are in is that not enough taxes are collected. That is pure BS.”

You are the one attacking this bill that keeps my taxes from going up, and 99.9% of Americans taxes from going up.

Why you are demanding this massive tax increase I dont know BUT I say “HELL NO!”

Let the libs raise taxes not Republicans, .

33 posted on 12/19/2012 11:22:40 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: upchuck
RE :”Our COLA for 2013 is 1.7%. Big frigging deal!! That is, according to what I've read, a paltry net gain of between $10 and $25 per month. So how much of the measly 1.7% do the RATS want? LOL”

O is playing up to the camera as usual claiming that Rs are getting everything they wanted, and just ‘playing politics’ with voters taxes. He says he has ‘more than compromised’

His objective : Continue to lower public opinion toward House Republicans until their own district voters turn on them, then he delivers his terms for their (another) humiliating surrender which they sign, much like the German govermnment at end of WWI.

Its has played out a few times already.

Republicans either dont understand how this game is won (or lost) or they just are unable to do what is required to win.

34 posted on 12/19/2012 11:23:05 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: crosshairs

Quote: “. . . which the Congressional Budget Office and economists have said could trigger another recession.”

These are the subtle throw away lines that give away the real agenda here. Obama and the dems want to create a fiction that it is not their policies of the last four year which are to blame. Oh no, it is the so called “fiscal cliff” that transfers responsibility for the bad economy to conservatives. Where the Republican Party is truly failing us is in getting tangled up in the minutae of the so called “fiscal cliff” negotiations instead of pounding on the state of the economy at large and asking a simple question, “how will any of the President’s policies help?” Make the ONE go on record and explain and own how his policies will jump start the economy. Instead, LOSER BONER accepts the MSM premise and plays the role of desperate fool trying to solve the fiscal cliff to avoid a recession.

I get how the voters blaming Bush for the last four years would rattle the Republicans a bit. But to think that the voters will always blame Bush is nonsense. This is no reason to stop pushing the economy and its current state as an issue.

This election truly does remind me of 2004. Kerry pounded and pounded on Iraq as being a disaster but lost. Bush thought he won that issue and had the American People firmly in support of the war. Instead of concentrating on Iraq, he thought to move onto other issues (then it was social security reform, today it is gun control). But the democrats did not stop pounding the issue and withing six months it was obvious that they were going to ride the public’s frustration with Iraq to power.


35 posted on 12/19/2012 11:58:23 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: justiceseeker93

“Republican tactic”

No bias here. Only Republicans have tactics. They treat this as a war, when all the good widduw pwezident wants to do is work towards understanding, goodness and harmony, and snow-white turtle-doves...WAAH!


36 posted on 12/19/2012 1:25:30 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: sickoflibs

“Why you are demanding this massive tax increase I dont know BUT I say “HELL NO!””

you are either illiterate or mentally unstable to think that way.

Get it thru your head we do not need more taxes

we need less spending.


37 posted on 12/19/2012 5:49:21 PM PST by bestintxas (Anyone who votes for Obama after these 4 miserable years needs to take a mandatory citizenship test.)
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To: bestintxas
RE :”you are either illiterate or mentally unstable to think that way. Get it thru your head we do not need more taxes .we need less spending.”

Tthen STOP opposing the house bill to keep our taxes from going up. STOP helping Dems raise my taxes!

Look, you have made it OBVIOUS that you just repeat what you are told, but those taxes go up automatically by law and plan B stops 99.8% of them from going up including ours.

Only a brain-dead zombie would demand that Republicans raise our taxes just because Rush's are going up.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you are getting paid to do this rather than really be that stupid.

38 posted on 12/19/2012 7:19:58 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks justiceseeker93.


39 posted on 12/19/2012 8:40:14 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: justiceseeker93

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 12/19/2012 8:40:44 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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