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Michael Moore Hours After Newtown Massacre: 'Guns Don't Kill People! Americans Kill People!'
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Posted on 12/19/2012 8:00:35 AM PST by Sub-Driver

Michael Moore Hours After Newtown Massacre: 'Guns Don't Kill People! Americans Kill People!'

Democracy Now! aired an excerpt of an address made by filmmaker Michael Moore delivered just hours after the Newtown massacre.

Moore criticized America for the violence, saying that "guns don’t kill people, Americans kill people," and then pointed to U.S. wars, drone strikes and "other forms of violence."

Transcript below: MICHAEL MOORE: Earlier today, a crazy man went to an elementary school and attacked 22 children in China. A few hours before Connecticut, an elementary school was attacked in China by an insane man, and 22 children were his victims. But all he had was a knife. Total number of dead in the Chinese elementary school? Zero.

I hope you don’t mind, but I’d like to just say a few words about what happened today, because I’ve been concerned about this issue for a long time. Yes, we need more gun control. Yes, we need free mental health services in this country. But I really believe that even if we had better gun control laws and better mental health, that we would still be the sort of sick and twisted, violent people that we’ve been for hundreds of years, that it’s something that’s just in our craw, just in our DNA. And to get that out of our DNA is going to take a lot more than passing a bill in Albany or D.C. That’s not going to do it.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; bigfattarget; broadsideofbarn; cantmiss; fattarget; guncontrol; secondamendment
Eat another cheeseburger.........
1 posted on 12/19/2012 8:00:40 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

He should be worrying about harpoons not bullets.


2 posted on 12/19/2012 8:03:11 AM PST by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Then the solution is obvious.

Ban Americans! :)


3 posted on 12/19/2012 8:04:09 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Kinda’ wish that FR would stop with putting all these hammerasses’ comments on . . . but, what else is news, huh?

Saw Soledad O’Brien getting her ass handed to her by John Lott. However, a libtard site said she kicked HIS ass.

Yawn!


4 posted on 12/19/2012 8:04:42 AM PST by laweeks
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To: Sub-Driver

I agree with him a bit if only to say that we don’t have a gun problem in this country, we have a SPIRITUAL problem. Moore and I probably wouldn’t agree on that second part. Fix that and everything else lines up.


5 posted on 12/19/2012 8:05:13 AM PST by mancini
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To: Sub-Driver

Why continue to give this pig ink. He is twisted.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 8:05:37 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Sub-Driver
I take this as an admission that morre does not consider himself as an American. I guess he prefers to be a demoRat that kills 1.2M babies a year.
7 posted on 12/19/2012 8:06:38 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Earlier today, a crazy man went to an elementary school and attacked 22 children in China. A few hours before Connecticut, an elementary school was attacked in China by an insane man, and 22 children were his victims. But all he had was a knife. Total number of dead in the Chinese elementary school? Zero.

I despise MM, but this is, unfortunately, a very reasonable observation.

Guns are just immensely more suitable for a mass killing spree than other readily-available weapons.

8 posted on 12/19/2012 8:07:14 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sub-Driver

Ban Moore.


9 posted on 12/19/2012 8:08:19 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Sub-Driver
I take this as an admission that morre does not consider himself as an American. I guess he prefers to be a demoRat that kills 1.2M babies a year.
10 posted on 12/19/2012 8:09:05 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Obligatory Fat Photo of Michael Moore - Special Double Issue:


11 posted on 12/19/2012 8:09:13 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: Sub-Driver

Stuff a taco in it, Michael.


12 posted on 12/19/2012 8:14:01 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: Sub-Driver

Actually, Americans on psychotropic drugs, like SSRIs kill people.

This site tell it all:

http://www.ssristories.com/


13 posted on 12/19/2012 8:15:36 AM PST by A. Patriot (Re-electing Obama is like the Titanic backing up to hit the iceberg again.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I say time for Michael to get out of this country and away from the people he so so despises. Maybe he should go to France, I ‘m sure his rants against rich people and violence will go over well there. Moore should make like the Titanic and sink out of sight.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 8:16:54 AM PST by Mastador1
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To: Sub-Driver

Somebody tell Moore that since 1949 about 65 million (!!!) Chinese have been killed, not by guns persay, but by their government. That’s a heckuva lot more than over here. And guess what would have helped them? Guns!


15 posted on 12/19/2012 8:19:08 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Sub-Driver

16 posted on 12/19/2012 8:19:17 AM PST by EEGator
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To: Sub-Driver

I’m so glad Michael Moore checked in (we knew it was coming, didn’t we?) with another one of his patented “deepthink” rants.
“Guns don’t kill people, Americans kill people!”
Moore’s implicit message of course, is that there oughta be a law against AMERICANS, that it’s Americans that should be banned.
And don’tcha just love the line “when you make sure that 50 million people don’t have health insurance......”
There is enough fudge-brained stupidity in that single line to last me a lifetime.


17 posted on 12/19/2012 8:19:34 AM PST by supremedoctrine
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To: Sub-Driver

Does anyone care what this fat rich boy has to say?


18 posted on 12/19/2012 8:19:43 AM PST by Edgerunner (Second Amendment Spoken Here)
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To: Sherman Logan
Good morning.

Guns are just immensely more suitable for a mass killing spree than other readily-available weapons.

Fertilizer and kerosene are readily available, and suitable for a mass killing spree.

5.56mm

19 posted on 12/19/2012 8:19:55 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Sub-Driver

20 posted on 12/19/2012 8:20:54 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Sherman Logan

Seems we need some grand compromise- allowing the good guys more latitude to be armed (such as teachers and pilots) and restricting much more the availability of high capacity arms.


21 posted on 12/19/2012 8:23:44 AM PST by kenavi (Lost the country? Win your state.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Someone should super glue his mouth shut. Then, a nostril. Then, maybe, the other one.


22 posted on 12/19/2012 8:26:33 AM PST by DickBrannigan (When did logic become reversed, and right became wrong, and wrong became right?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Heard this on Democracy Now yesterday. Nothing surprises me anymore.

SnakeDoc


23 posted on 12/19/2012 8:28:37 AM PST by SnakeDoctor (Texas survived one Obama term, and we'll survive another. The rest of you are screwed.)
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To: kenavi
That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

If I don't have a right to own high-capacity arms, I can't consent to have the government own high-capacity arms, either.

There will be no compromise, grand or otherwise, on that point.

24 posted on 12/19/2012 8:32:32 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Duh, it’s easier to kill someone with a gun than a knife. But you must ask where he’s going with th argument. He seems to think there’s something buried in our cultural DNA that makes us Americans extraspecially killhappy. Or maybe it’s just the ability to privately own a gun out of which all corruption follows. I don’t know what Moore’s argument is, or whether he’s actually thought one out. Seems to be U.S.=bad, and that’s it. You don’t get that from the knife=less deadly truism.

It may be a consequence of our freedom, at least our freedom to own guns. But then let’s compare the entire run of communist China to the US in a comparable period. See whether relative freedom or despotism is preferable. It’s not even close. In his “documentary” Bowling for Columbine Moore went back through all of our history and tried to set Columbine up as typical. Let us see what is typical of Chinese communism. Nonfatal stabbing fits, or mass starvation/rolling over citizens with tanks?

I don’t feel it’s reasonable to excuse our mass shootings by saying, hey, at least our government didn’t kill 65 million people in the last 60 or so years. Although there is some connection between a lack of mass murder and the right to bear arms. But Moore brought it up, with his literal blame America campaign.


25 posted on 12/19/2012 8:33:04 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Sub-Driver
141 media workers killed across the globe in deadliest year for journalists
26 posted on 12/19/2012 8:33:46 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Sub-Driver

Michael Moore - what an idiot!


27 posted on 12/19/2012 8:38:10 AM PST by tob2 (R.I.P Newtown, CT victims)
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To: Sub-Driver

Fat, dumb and psychotic is no way to go through life, son.


28 posted on 12/19/2012 8:42:10 AM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: Sub-Driver

He is just so brave and edgy. Any day now he’ll point out that Muslims also kill people. Am I right? Any day now...


29 posted on 12/19/2012 8:42:10 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: DuncanWaring

“If I don’t have a right to own high-capacity arms, I can’t consent to have the government own high-capacity arms, either.”

That is the crux of the arguement that many people just don’t get. A government, any government, with a monopoly on violence, in time, will employ it on any person, persons, organizations and/or groups of people deemed to be “enemies of the state”.

What’s coming down the road will be policies that are nothing more than arrogance, envy and elitist conceit cloaked in altruism.


30 posted on 12/19/2012 8:44:48 AM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Sub-Driver

Would it be so wrong of me to wish this porcine parade float would spontaneously combust?


31 posted on 12/19/2012 8:49:01 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Sub-Driver

Donuts don’t make people fat slobs!!! People who eat too many donuts make people fat slobs!!!


32 posted on 12/19/2012 9:04:14 AM PST by Sicon ("All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." - G. Orwell)
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To: cripplecreek
Our fave MI resident strikes again.

Maybe he should just move to that idylic non violent country called Cuba........(Cuber?)

33 posted on 12/19/2012 9:08:14 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Stormdog

They have a monopoly on the LEGAL USE of violence.
They cannot be allowed to have a blanket monopoly on the use of violence.


34 posted on 12/19/2012 9:13:15 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sub-Driver

Hmmm... he wants to go down this road of pointing at WHICH humans are most responsible for “gun violence”?

Hmmm... what subset of Americans is disproportionately represented in violent crime statistics...

Interesting thing to look up, I’m sure.


35 posted on 12/19/2012 9:14:38 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Sub-Driver

And the rest of the world is lovey dovey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers


36 posted on 12/19/2012 9:22:34 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Sub-Driver

Thanks for the brain-fart Michael. Carry on being the village idiot!


37 posted on 12/19/2012 9:29:27 AM PST by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Sub-Driver

Would the fat boy prefer people died like this? 167 dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_circus_fire

Segee’s confession

In 1950, Robert Dale Segee of Circleville, Ohio, claimed he was responsible for setting the circus fire. Segee, a roustabout for the show from June 30 to July 14, 1944, when he was about 14 years old, said he had a nightmare in which an Indian riding on a “flaming horse” told him to set fires. He further claimed that after this nightmare his mind went blank, and that he did not come out of this state until the circus fire had already been set.

It was said Segee fit the description of a serial arsonist right out of a psychiatrist’s textbook.


38 posted on 12/19/2012 9:32:00 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: MrB

“They have a monopoly on the LEGAL USE of violence.
They cannot be allowed to have a blanket monopoly on the use of violence.”

Presently they do not have a monopoly on the legal use of violence. They share it with us. They may try and define the terms, but it is shared never the less. This is what this whole thing is about. They want to create the monopoly.
And if that comes to pass, God help us.


39 posted on 12/19/2012 9:37:47 AM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Sherman Logan

They’re also immensely more suitable for stopping a mass killing spree.


40 posted on 12/19/2012 9:48:58 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Sub-Driver
A few days after the tragic Sandy Hook school murders, a young Marine in fatigues stationed himself at the front entrance of the Nashville elementary school his two children attend. Another parent heard him admit to a reporter that he was unarmed. The other parent commented that, even though the young Marine standing guard was not armed, it made him “feel better” to know he was there.

It’s often been observed that “perception is more important than reality”. The observation is often correct. It is never MORE CORRECT than for those we’ve come to call “liberals”. I prefer “statist” but “liberal” has morphed from its classic meaning to the other end of the spectrum so I’ll stay with it.

Since these folks operate almost entirely on EMOTION and FEELING, REALITY seldom allows FACTS to intrude upon the delusional worldview they have constructed and the comfort that provides them. It is that illogical, irrational and delusional mindset that prompts many of them to continue to quest after a Utopian society. The thought that such a society can and will never be achieved in a fallen world populated with failed sinners never penetrates whatever remains of their cognitive consciousness. It’s a DANGEROUS WORLD and, as the liberals continue to “define deviancy down”, it becomes more dangerous daily.

There is another, far more sinister, level of the “liberal” call for gun control.

It was Mencken who offered that “The urge to save humanity is most often a false front for the URGE TO RULE.” He clearly had been a student of the liberal politicians of his day. Were he alive today and able to observe the likes of Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Obama and the rest, he’d almost certainly have used far stronger language to frame his sage observation.

To conclude, dozens of studies reveal the FACTS concerning gun control. Those FACTS are that where firearms are widely and READILY available to law-abiding citizens, CRIME GOES DOWN! The liberals who willfully ignore the FACTUAL EVIDENCE and continue to call for gun control (i.e. the DISARMING of DECENT CITIZENS, thereby denying them the ability to exercise their God-given right to self-defense) are those about whom Mencken wrote: Their goal is NOT about preserving life. It is about the hell-bent pursuit of the impossible to achieve Utopian world where all are equal but some (that’d be THEM) are MORE equal than others (that’d be US).

There are many PRO-RTKABA videos on You Tube that your often busy lives don’t allow you to find on your own. Search there for “Gun Control”, watch them – and, more importantly – SHARE THEM with the folks in your orbit.

We’re in a fight. And losing will ultimately cost us much more than our right to our guns.

41 posted on 12/19/2012 9:51:32 AM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: M Kehoe

“Fertilizer and kerosene are readily available, and suitable for a mass killing spree.”

Not really. You can mix up all the fertilizer and fuel oil in the world, it won’t do anything but burn on its own. You need a not readily available high order explosive in order to create a shockwave to detonate that mixture.


42 posted on 12/19/2012 10:07:04 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Tublecane

“Or maybe it’s just the ability to privately own a gun out of which all corruption follows.”

Yes, that’s his real thesis, if you can manage to stomach all his nauseating bloviating to ferret it out. He thinks that just allowing private ownership of firearms creates a “gun culture” that encourages violence.


43 posted on 12/19/2012 10:09:27 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: All
Progressive Wallahs issue another fat wad against America.


44 posted on 12/19/2012 10:12:39 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: MrB

They do not have a monopoly on the legal use of violence. Some may have been trying to take it away with, for instance, the Zimmerman case. But self-defense is still our paramount right.


45 posted on 12/19/2012 10:17:38 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Sub-Driver
When you—when you make sure that 50 million people don’t have health insurance in your country and that, according to the congressional study that was done, 44,000 people a year die in America for the simple reason that they don’t have health insurance, that’s a form of murder. That murder is being committed by the insurance companies. When you evict millions of peoples—millions of people from their homes, that’s an act of violence. That’s called a home invasion.

In a free society with a rational culture and a just government,when a person wants something, he must be willing to pay the necessary price. It is a natural law-and a fact of human nature-that a good or service can only be supplied if supplying it is both worthwhile to the suppliers, and as worthwhile as any of the alternatives open to them.Moore's utopia is the conditions of parasites preying on victims.

46 posted on 12/19/2012 10:39:16 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Sub-Driver

It’s a good thing for the morbidly obese Moore that most Americans don’t view him as people.


47 posted on 12/19/2012 10:44:56 AM PST by DPMD
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To: Sub-Driver

MM needs to move.....to Cuba or Venezuela. I’m sick of hearing from this shark chum.


48 posted on 12/19/2012 10:48:30 AM PST by windsorknot
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To: Boogieman
Good afternoon.

You can mix up all the fertilizer and fuel oil in the world, it won’t do anything but burn on its own. You need a not readily available high order explosive in order to create a shockwave to detonate that mixture.

True, you need blasting caps (not a high order of explosive). Easy to obtain on the underground market.

5.56mm

49 posted on 12/19/2012 12:01:17 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: M Kehoe

Yes, blasting caps are (or rather they contain) a high order explosive, which is why you can only get them on the black market, unless you have a license. If you got your hands on enough blasting caps, you could make a powerful bomb just out of those.


50 posted on 12/19/2012 3:13:56 PM PST by Boogieman
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