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GOP Consultants Seek to Regain Control (From Tea Party, Conservatives)
Roll Call ^ | Wednesday, December 19, 2012 | Abby Livingston

Posted on 12/19/2012 4:56:58 PM PST by kristinn

The internal battle for the direction of the Republican Party has enveloped Washington’s GOP consultant class, as pragmatic party strategists hired to win campaigns ponder how to reclaim control of the primary process from powerful conservative activist groups.

This developing conflict comes in the aftermath of consecutive election cycles that saw Republicans blow as many as five Senate races because the party nominated flawed candidates over those who were better suited to compete in the general election.

Some of these losing 2010 and 2012 nominees received crucial support from Washington-based tea party groups that made their primary campaigns viable. GOP consultants who found themselves on the losing end are considering the formation of outside groups of their own to counter these organizations and boost their favored candidates in the 2014 primaries.

“The bigger the office, the brighter the spotlight, and it is difficult, if not impossible, to elect a lousy candidate over a good candidate in any [general election] Senate race, regardless of ideology,” said a Republican strategist who is frustrated with the hold that conservative groups like the Club for Growth, FreedomWorks and the Senate Conservatives Fund have had on the GOP primary process in recent elections.

Unlike these tea-party-affiliated groups, this Republican strategist and others who think similarly (prioritizing winning over ideological purity) argue that a Republican will always be more conservative than a Democrat and the party’s objective should be to control the White House and Congress so it can set the governing agenda and prevent Democrats from enacting laws like the Affordable Care Act.

In quiet postmortem sessions, these strategists are exploring ways to influence primaries and curb the power of the tea party groups.

(Excerpt) Read more at rollcall.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gopelite; rinos; rnc; teaparty
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1 posted on 12/19/2012 4:57:07 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn
See, only Tea Party candidates can be “flawed.”

Moderate pubbies like Romney win . . .

2 posted on 12/19/2012 5:01:34 PM PST by Jacquerie ("How few were left who had seen the republic!" - Tacitus, The Annals)
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To: kristinn

The “GOP consultants” can guarantee the GOP that they’ll continue to lose these popularity contests every four years if they only listen to them. Can the conservative or TEA Party do that?! Heck no.


3 posted on 12/19/2012 5:02:15 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Gun control is not about laws. It's about confiscation.)
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To: kristinn

Like the last campaign they won?


4 posted on 12/19/2012 5:02:24 PM PST by Tony O (hibobbi!)
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To: kristinn

Without names your article isn’t worth a damn.


5 posted on 12/19/2012 5:02:35 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Jacquerie

Don’t forget Juan McCain.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 5:06:21 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Gun control is not about laws. It's about confiscation.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Look how great the GOP did in California once the “moderate” GOP consultants took over the party establishment there. Maybe they can do the same thing across the entire nation!


7 posted on 12/19/2012 5:06:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: kristinn

“pragmatic party strategists “
Translation: liars, thieves, opportunists, and commies.

“a Republican will always be more conservative than a Democrat “
Nope. The NE Republicans are scarcely more conservative than Britain’s Labour party.


8 posted on 12/19/2012 5:06:38 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: kristinn

Unfortunately, it appears they are winning.
Most of the new conservative house members 2010 class will join
Bonehead and Cantor in voting for taxes tomorrow.
We keep sending them, and DC keeps turning them.


9 posted on 12/19/2012 5:12:48 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: kristinn
Mark Levin's quote from a day or two after the election.

We conservatives, we do not accept bipartisanship in the pursuit of tyranny. Period. We will not negotiate the terms of our economic and political servitude. Period. We will not abandon our child to a dark and bleak future. We will not accept a fate that is alien to the legacy we inherited from every single future generation in this country. We will not accept social engineering by politicians and bureaucrats who treat us like lab rats, rather than self-sufficient human beings. There are those in this country who choose tyranny over liberty. They do not speak for us, 57 million of us who voted against this yesterday, and they do not get to dictate to us under our Constitution.

We are the alternative. We will resist. We're not going to surrender to this. We will not be passive, we will not be compliant in our demise. We're not good losers, you better believe we're sore losers! A good loser is a loser forever. Now I hear we're called 'purists.' Conservatives are called purists. The very people who keep nominating moderates, now call us purists the way the left calls us purists. Yeah, things like liberty, and property rights, individual sovereignty, and the Constitution, and capitalism. We're purists now. And we have to hear this crap from conservatives, or pseudo-conservatives, Republicans.

10 posted on 12/19/2012 5:14:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GenXteacher
The NE Republicans are scarcely more conservative than Britain’s Labour party.

It's hard to believe that Rhode Island's Lincoln Chafee was once a Republican in the Senate.

-PJ

11 posted on 12/19/2012 5:14:22 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: kristinn

Regain control of what, Boehner’s crying towel?


12 posted on 12/19/2012 5:15:52 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: kristinn

I have a solution for these morons trying to keep their social club: go away voluntarily or get fired.


13 posted on 12/19/2012 5:17:15 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: kristinn

0-3 since 2006 enough said right there!


14 posted on 12/19/2012 5:20:35 PM PST by Trueblackman (I would rather lose on Conservative principles than vote for a RINO candidate.)
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To: elkfersupper
I have a solution for these morons trying to keep their social club: go away voluntarily or get fired.

Better yet, go work for the democrats.
15 posted on 12/19/2012 5:21:57 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: skeeter

Someone needs to tell these nameless wonders the jig is up.


16 posted on 12/19/2012 5:31:12 PM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: kristinn
This developing conflict comes in the aftermath of consecutive election cycles that saw Republicans blow as many as five Senate races because the party nominated flawed candidates over those who were better suited to compete in the general election.

Are they talking about candidates like Berg in ND, Rehberg in MT, Scott Brown in MA, Connie Mack in FL, and Tommy Thompson in WI, you know, outsider Tea Party radicals who lost in elections that could have been won?

17 posted on 12/19/2012 5:33:36 PM PST by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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To: kristinn

We have had a bellyful of GOP consultant losers, Certainly they seek control, but it’s too late.

They have two choices, Bring the GOP together behind Conservatives and the Tea party or do what they have done in the last 2 losing campaigns, Split the party and lose.

Me? I am ready to move on. If nothing else I will go independent.


18 posted on 12/19/2012 5:39:07 PM PST by Venturer
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To: kristinn

The GOP-E can go to hell and take its crooked consultants with it.


19 posted on 12/19/2012 5:44:21 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Jacquerie

These consultants would rather have President Obama and the Democrats control Washington than have genuine conservatives in power.

It is time to SMASH the GOP and start a new political party.


20 posted on 12/19/2012 5:44:57 PM PST by Perkalong (GOP 2012 = Whigs 1856)
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To: Migraine

So Rove has a new job? What a joke. They got their Rino
Candidates the past two Presidential Elections.

I think this is more an attempt to shield the party nobles
from the chattering class. How dare we challenge their backroom deals
That stuff their pockets with cash while selling out America.


21 posted on 12/19/2012 5:45:20 PM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: Jacquerie

“Moderate pubbies like Romney win...”

Don’t forget President McCain...oh wait.

Steve Schmidt and the rest of the useless RINOs blew two presidential elections in a row. It’s time to try a full-blown conservative as the GOP nominee, and to close the primaries to RAT voters.


22 posted on 12/19/2012 6:10:48 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: kristinn

Conservative’s who remain republican are just wasting their time and political capital! There is not one single solitary reason why any conservative should be a republican in this day and age.


23 posted on 12/19/2012 6:30:59 PM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: kristinn

TEAPARTY FOREVER!...Screw the GOP Rino’s!!!


24 posted on 12/19/2012 6:37:22 PM PST by Route395
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To: sirchtruth
There is not one single solitary reason why any conservative should be a republican in this day and age.

Oh, there's one reason, for sure.

Winning.

Conservatives who abandon the Republican party are doomed to live in Loserland -- probably for the rest of their lives.

Conservatives who decide to stick it out and work to take over the Republican party from within will at least have a chance to elect conservatives two, four, six, eight, ten years from now.

25 posted on 12/19/2012 6:38:56 PM PST by okie01
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To: kristinn

These national consultants are the biggest problem in politics. Keep in mind that they get paid win or lose.


26 posted on 12/19/2012 6:39:58 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: kristinn
Since 2008, the national party seal of approval has served only to taint candidates as Washington insiders.

One would think they would learn from this.

But, nooooooooooooooooo.

The American people face two enemies:

1. Liberals

2. Washington Republicans

27 posted on 12/19/2012 6:46:31 PM PST by okie01
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To: kristinn

A single party system would be better than a future of minority RINO’s doing the bidding of majority Democrats.


28 posted on 12/19/2012 7:01:26 PM PST by pallis
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To: Jacquerie
See, only Tea Party candidates can be “flawed.”
Moderate Liberal pubbies like Romney win . . .

That is what they keep expecting us to believe election after election.

29 posted on 12/19/2012 7:19:01 PM PST by Waryone
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To: kristinn

Form the paragraph at the top of page two in the article comes this gem: “ - - - Since 2008, the national party seal of approval has served only to taint candidates as Washington insiders. - - - - “

If this is a valid observation, then the following may also be truee:

1.) the problem is with what is going on inside Washington;

2.) winning elections has had a history of turning well-meaning winners into the same old Washington insiders.


30 posted on 12/19/2012 7:22:40 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Communal Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: kristinn

Old Abby is DC lib and peddles lies and Dem party faxes as a story.
Since she lives in DC and works for. Dem party front group she has never actually seen or met a republican but she was hired to
Split out Dem party pr releases about them .


31 posted on 12/19/2012 7:28:36 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: sirchtruth
Oh, yes, there is. The Republican party is the ONLY viable vehicle to get us from point A to point B. There is no other way. This is a numbers game. We MUST have more votes than the RATS.

There is no way to splinter off and still be able to defeat RATS.

This is why we have primaries. Fight it out there but after that is over, the goal is to defeat every RAT possible.

We need majorities and that may mean accepting RINOS we'd rather not have but a RINO is better than a RAT--any day.

Forget this "third party" talk--it's destructive. We have to live in reality and I'm talking reality.

32 posted on 12/19/2012 7:30:45 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: okie01
Thank you for talking sense--there's far too little of it here on FR. This "third party" talk is crazy--it won't work, and it can't work. If those advocating it would just stop and THINK, they'd figure it out.

There aren't enough of any one faction to defeat both Republicans and Democrats.

33 posted on 12/19/2012 7:33:01 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: okie01

{Conservatives who abandon the Republican party are doomed to live in Loserland — probably for the rest of their lives.}
As opposed to the loser land we now live in. Got it.


34 posted on 12/19/2012 7:42:44 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: kristinn

From early on, Communism has always strived to control the opposition.

In that light, RINO consultants are easier to understand.

Don’t forget those ‘consultants’ got the Father of Socialized Medicine (RomneyCare) passed.

Question: Who was the Father of Gay Marriage, legally speaking?

Answer Gov. Romney.


35 posted on 12/19/2012 8:09:13 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: GladesGuru

Correction to previous posted version:

From early on, Communism has always worked to control the opposition.

In that light, RINO consultants are easier to understand. Think commie, but disguised.

Don’t forget those ‘consultants’ got the Father of Socialized Medicine (RomneyCare) nominated for POTUS.

Question: Who was the Father of Gay Marriage, legally speaking?

Answer: Gov. Romney.

Got ‘consultant’?


36 posted on 12/19/2012 8:12:23 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: cripplecreek; Anybody; Everybody; All
If you go to I Heart Radio and rack up KSFO 560AM You'll hear Mark repeat this every hour.

I love the way this beautiful man THINKS and SPEAKS!!!

With fearless PASSION and CONVICTION and HONESTY!!!

Savage screams invectives, but Levin screams the battle cry for FREEDOM and LIBERTY!!!

37 posted on 12/19/2012 8:31:31 PM PST by SierraWasp (Blessed are they who prospect, dig & drill, for they are the primary producers of new, real wealth!!)
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To: kristinn
GOP Consultants Seek to Regain Control

As if they ever lost it.

38 posted on 12/19/2012 8:45:51 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Today's headline: 'As expected, Boehner folds.' This tag should be good for quite awhile...)
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To: kristinn

There’s so much wrong with this piece I hardly know where to start. So I’m not going to try to deal with it point by point. It’s too late at night and I’m tired.

Suffice it to say that it’s all theater. These people never lost control of anything, and the relationships between the “consultants” and what they call “powerful conservative activist groups” are as incestuous as it gets, so the whole premise of the piece is inherently flawed.

Both groups, which are really the same old group, will continue to garner all the power to themselves, and conservatives and conservatism will continue to be the losers.

As long as conservatives are willing to play their game, that is.


39 posted on 12/19/2012 9:13:06 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Today's headline: 'As expected, Boehner folds.' This tag should be good for quite awhile...)
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To: okie01
Conservatives who abandon remain in the Republican party are doomed to live in Loserland -- probably for the rest of their lives.

Fixed.

40 posted on 12/20/2012 2:21:02 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

It’s over. Turn out the lights at the RNC, lock the doors, and throw away the keys.


41 posted on 12/20/2012 2:24:06 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: okie01
Winning.

Yeah, right! That's worked out quite well for ya over the past two Presidential elections!

Dumbasses-R-US

Here's your problem. conservatives are NOT going to ever take it over because there are way too many rinos. The moderates will destroy whatever gains conservative make. It ALWAYS been this way. Conservatives need to start their own party and move on! republicans can GFT!

FGS, abandon that Titanic!

42 posted on 12/20/2012 3:43:55 AM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Forget this "third party" talk--it's destructive. We have to live in reality and I'm talking reality.

Exactly! The republican party NEEDS to be "destroyed" because it's so flawed now! Dumbass republicans who insist on going down the same road are just complete numbskulls at this point!

43 posted on 12/20/2012 3:50:42 AM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: sirchtruth
This is nothing but human nature and it will be the same with "new" party. For every Republican you want to hate, you can find another one who is working their tail off to accomplish the very things you want accomplished.

This is a very real problem I have with FR, I see a whole bunch of people who are eager to "follow the leader" right off the cliff. That, too, is human nature.

44 posted on 12/20/2012 6:02:27 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: sirchtruth

Do you understand math? This is a matter of the math must add up to over 50% and it will not happen with another watered-down party.


45 posted on 12/20/2012 6:04:56 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: sirchtruth
Here's your problem. conservatives are NOT going to ever take it over because there are way too many rinos. The moderates will destroy whatever gains conservative make. It ALWAYS been this way. Conservatives need to start their own party and move on! republicans can GFT!

May I ask a question?

If, as you suggest, it is impossible for conservatives to defeat the rinos in the GOP-e, how would it then be possible for a conservative 3rd party to defeat both the rinos and Democrats?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Telling the Republicans to GFT punishes the Republicans and may be gratifying...to a degree. But does it improve the odds of electing a conservative?

46 posted on 12/20/2012 10:26:10 AM PST by okie01
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
This is nothing but human nature and it will be the same with "new" party.

I don't care about a new party all I know and everyone else knows but you and some straggler conservatives, is the republican party is useless. If you don't see it by now you never will. So, support the losers and end up in the next four years with the same exact results as you have now!

47 posted on 12/20/2012 6:20:33 PM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Do you understand math? This is a matter of the math must add up to over 50% and it will not happen with another watered-down party.

Who cares whether republicans win?! Do you understand insanity? How long are you going to follow power hungry rino's getting the SAME results year after year, decade after decade?

I've concluded republicans SUCK and I have a feeling I'm in the majority with many other conservatives with these same feelings!

48 posted on 12/20/2012 6:26:22 PM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free.)
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To: sirchtruth
The problem is you are wrong and you are destroying any hope we have of accomplishing anything.

Are you watching FOX now? The Republicans HAVE stood on principle and it's time to thank them rather than condemning them.

The Republicans have pushed this right back where it belongs--in the lap of Obama and the RATS.

The Republicans also trying to get to the bottom of Benghazi.

I am extremely disappointed at what I see here on FR. This is the perfect example of a herd mentality. I feel sorry for you, and others like you here on FR who are so blinded you can't see there is a team on your side who is trying to do the very things you want done.

49 posted on 12/20/2012 6:32:35 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: sirchtruth
So do you have a plan to get America to where you want it? You have been brainwashed by those here on FR who refuse to see the good things Republicans in DC are doing. I'm not saying they're all perfect and I don't expect that because I know that's not realistic but I'm not filled with hate and rage at Republicans all the while ignoring the totally evil Democrats.

FR is far more anti-Republican than anti-Democrat. That is wrong.

50 posted on 12/20/2012 6:36:14 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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