Skip to comments.‘Citizen Drone Warfare’: Hobbyist explores a frightening scenario
Posted on 12/19/2012 7:03:56 PM PST by Seizethecarp
Less than a month ago, rumors that celebrity news and gossip website TMZ was interested in obtaining a paparazzi drone prompted privacy concerns and public debate about the appropriate personal and commercial uses of unmanned aerial vehicles.
Now, a new online video poses a more troubling question: What if civilian drones are equipped to shoot more than just pictures?
Titled Citizen Drone Warfare and posted to YouTube last week by an anonymous man calling himself Milo Danger, the video shows a hobbyist drone equipped with a custom-mounted paintball pistol flying over a grassy field and peppering human-shaped shooting-range targets with pellets.
Following an attack pass by the drone, one of the targets sports three large red blotches on its head and neck area.
I wanted to show an inevitability of what I think will happen with these drones, said Milo, who lives on the West Coast and spoke to The Washington Times on condition of anonymity. Im not advocating bad activities. But I wanted to raise some of the ethical issues we need to think about with this new technology.
Though Federal Aviation Administration regulations do not explicitly mention the use of firearms on drones, they do prohibit any type of recreational flying or dropping objects from aircraft that endanger life or property.
DIYDrones.com, a drone hobbyist website and online community that counts defense and aerospace engineers among its 32,000 members and averages more than 1.5 million page views a month, discourages using or modifying drones for any uses that are potentially illegal or intended to do harm.
Weve banned the weaponized use of drones, said Chris Anderson, the sites founder. So in our community, the reaction to this video is dismay.
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I just posted on FR the other day my concern that the first US citizen casualty on US soil from a drone attack would not be from law enforcement but from terrorists, criminals, or jealous lovers!
Hobbyist drones vs. jackboot drones!
Don’t worry about your fellow citizens, worry about your government.
As a major league tinkerer, part of me says, ‘cool idea’. Then another side of me says, ‘very cool idea’.
I worry about both.
The people who are flying these don’t seek air clearance before doing so (and I’ve even heard this complaint lodged against law enforcement officers who want to use them to monitor traffic and neighborhoods).
Pro'lly China. I saw them for sale at an electronics store as a Christmas gift idea.
Ping. You guys need to see this.
Nothing unexpected. Just more obvious every day where things are headed.
Is a hobbyist drone just a radio-controlled airplane? Like an AR-15 is now a combat weapon?
A mini-drone helicopter or fixed wing can also kill with kinetic force alone...if targeted at the right place. No onboard projectile or bomb needed! (see my tag line)
Drones are a whole different critter.
Some stuff overlaps.
Either way, I just dug out a box of 12 ga. #8 shot to have handy. You never can tell when you might want it. ;)
A psychopath with a heavy stamp collectors book can kill... So can the gardener with his rake and hoe... We need to get serious about all of this - citizens should be confined to their rooms until Mommy - oops - I mean the State - tells them it's safe to sit in the living room...
Just another scare of the week to send the weak minded over the edge. How long have we had large scale remote control aircraft available to hobbyists? What about this is beyond the average engineering student or experienced hobbyist? Why not run a story about someone placing a good sized bomb in a RC plane for a poor mans cruise missile? Woulda, coulda, shoulda! Don’t we have enough real threats to worry about without this nonsense?
Where is the video”
I was just discussing with someone you can now buy RC drones off the shelf that look like dragonfly’s.
Back in the 1980’s the Greaseman on Wash DC’s FM 101.1 had a very funny bit about putting a .22 on a RC plane he painted black and used it to shoot down RC hobbyist’s planes that were keeping him up when he was trying to sleep during his work at a station where he worked nights.
I've had a rather large RC helicopter crap itself to death at high RPM and launch a blade at me that hit me in the triangle. The repairs cost about $240 but the blade that hit me didn't even snag a thread on my field jacket. That's an 18" wooden blade at max speed. I was very close when that happened.
Yes, I'll name the top three.
You can buy a fully functional drone w camera (routed to your smart phone) at any Verizon store.
There was a great episode of “Magnum P.I.” that opened and closed with the same problem. John Hillerman’s character was waking up Magnum while trying to reenact famous Battle of Britain dogfights with a couple of R/C planes.
At the end, Magnum reenacted some ack-ack with a side-by-side 12 gauge.
I have the right to fly a drone. I have the right to bear arms. What’s the problem?
Just like with guns, I’d rather that citizens be allowed to have any armed drones that the government can possess, than ban them. I trust my neighbors more than I trust the government, even if I can’t trust either 100%.
I predict that there will be a video or two in the next few months from a do-it-yourself drone that flies out over area 51, avoids detection, and catches a glimpse of a flying saucer in a hangar with an alien being beside it. It will be a fake; disinformation generated by the military.
I always suspected that philatelists are ticking time bombs.
The look on the deer’s face is priceless! :-)
Would be easy to build an Rc blimp with electric motors, nearly silent, fit it with nightvision cameras especially a bombsight and make some DIY smart bombs, themselves basically inverted fired model rockets.
The Gov’t is already behind the scenes gonna crack down on the hobby and such. Last year or this year they captured a ‘terrorist’ who was gonna use some movie plot attack with RC planes and such.
Add a pound of plastique and there’s your guided missile on the cheap.
Time to pick up a goose gun and move out to the boondocks...
Where do people think the military get’s their ideas from? Pull it out of their asses? Ban one type of weapon, and ingenuity will quickly fill the vacuum.
If they try to crack down the same will happen when they try to restrict gun ownership, more will buy, and it is far easier to make your own drone, you can fly one with your phone.
You can create a flying aircraft carrier like the dirigibles of the past that launched biplanes, instead you can launch smaller drones.
In the war of tech it can only be won through sheer numbers. They can have bigger badder drones but can you kill a swarm of hornets with bullets?
Its all about fear and intimidation, we are fearless and we spit into the wind, call us crazy stupid and rednecks. But we are as many as the grasses upon the plains.
A real gardener would never bring a rake
to a pick axe fight.
RC is line of sight control. Drones have autonomous GPS-guided navigation that can be programed for the drone to move to a series of “way points” that can be set for any point in three dimensions (above ground, of course!)
Several years back a hobbyist flew his “toy” drone airplane on GPS autopilot from Ireland to the US. The Islamist at the link below pulled the kit together to attack the Capitol and Pentagon!
“The jihadist drummer: Muslim musician held over plot to attack Pentagon with remote-controlled toy plane packed with explosives”
Did you go to the link at my tag line? The head of Air Force research sent me a thank you note back in 2006 when I brought this attack vector to his attention. Just sayin’.
That was after I first went to the Secret Service and they put me in a holding cell before turning me loose with the suggestion that I “get my meds checked.” Funny how often I hear that! That was when I decided the Air Force would be more receptive to my concerns.
So, did you?
But will it have GPS autonomous navigation capable of taking it to any specific latitude, longitude and altitude within its capabilities that you command...capable of receiving updated destinations of the fly? These are called waypoints and can be hundreds or even thousands of miles away, depending on the drone specs.
For examples see:
Years ago I had a plan to put one of those BB guns that dumps a hole can of BBs on a remote control plane...never wasted the money.
Ask yourself whether an airport runway could be “mined” by a swarm of GPS controlled mini-helicopters capable of placing themselves in the known runway path of a turbofan mounted on a known airplane-type where the distance and elevation from the runway of each turbofan on the airplane type is known as it comes down the runway. Remember that the GPS coordinates of all airport runway centerlines can be easily obtained from GoogleEarth.
No onboard explosives or weapons would be needed on the mini-helicopters. The mere kinetic impact of mini-helicopter and turbofan would cause turbofan disintegration.
You don’t need air clearance if you stay below 400 ft and below.
I lucked out and got to be present at a couple of chicken cannon tests. One on a fighter canopy. One into a jet engine running at 100%.
That equipment is made to withstand 500MPH bird strikes.
I don't know where you are getting your information, but GPS isn't inch accurate, and there are cheaper, much cheaper ways of achieving your stated objective.
Even cooks know that.
Depends of where you are. It's considered polite around here not to bust 100 ft AGL without warning. But I'm pretty close to a threshold.
There’s a guy who had flown his RC glider to 498mph clocked with a radar gun. Might have hit 550mph when it wasn’t being clocked. I certainly wouldn’t want to be hit with that!
Video at link of glider doing 468mph.
So. . .someone adds a camera and gets a high vantage point. on the top of a hill, or on the roof of a skyscraper.
Heck, this sounds like something an assassin might use. . . zap someone in their office, from blocks away. . . .
Tell that to the passengers of US Airways Flight 1549.
Think you just overplayed your hand.