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‘Citizen Drone Warfare’: Hobbyist explores a frightening scenario
The Washington Times ^ | December 17, 2012 | Patrick Hruby

Posted on 12/19/2012 7:03:56 PM PST by Seizethecarp

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To: Seizethecarp
That was after I first went to the Secret Service and they put me in a holding cell before turning me loose with the suggestion that I “get my meds checked.”

So, did you?

/johnny

41 posted on 12/19/2012 8:40:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: piytar

But will it have GPS autonomous navigation capable of taking it to any specific latitude, longitude and altitude within its capabilities that you command...capable of receiving updated destinations of the fly? These are called waypoints and can be hundreds or even thousands of miles away, depending on the drone specs.

For examples see:

http://diydrones.com/

http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/ardupilot-mega-home-page

http://code.google.com/p/arducopter/wiki/ArduCopter


42 posted on 12/19/2012 8:44:09 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Seizethecarp

Years ago I had a plan to put one of those BB guns that dumps a hole can of BBs on a remote control plane...never wasted the money.


43 posted on 12/19/2012 8:47:55 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ask yourself whether an airport runway could be “mined” by a swarm of GPS controlled mini-helicopters capable of placing themselves in the known runway path of a turbofan mounted on a known airplane-type where the distance and elevation from the runway of each turbofan on the airplane type is known as it comes down the runway. Remember that the GPS coordinates of all airport runway centerlines can be easily obtained from GoogleEarth.

No onboard explosives or weapons would be needed on the mini-helicopters. The mere kinetic impact of mini-helicopter and turbofan would cause turbofan disintegration.


44 posted on 12/19/2012 9:07:34 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: a fool in paradise

You don’t need air clearance if you stay below 400 ft and below.


45 posted on 12/19/2012 9:20:42 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Seizethecarp
The mere kinetic impact of mini-helicopter and turbofan would cause turbofan disintegration.

I lucked out and got to be present at a couple of chicken cannon tests. One on a fighter canopy. One into a jet engine running at 100%.

That equipment is made to withstand 500MPH bird strikes.

I don't know where you are getting your information, but GPS isn't inch accurate, and there are cheaper, much cheaper ways of achieving your stated objective.

Even cooks know that.

/johnny

46 posted on 12/19/2012 9:20:54 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
You don’t need air clearance if you stay below 400 ft and below.

Depends of where you are. It's considered polite around here not to bust 100 ft AGL without warning. But I'm pretty close to a threshold.

/johnny

47 posted on 12/19/2012 9:23:04 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Seizethecarp

There’s a guy who had flown his RC glider to 498mph clocked with a radar gun. Might have hit 550mph when it wasn’t being clocked. I certainly wouldn’t want to be hit with that!

Video at link of glider doing 468mph.


48 posted on 12/19/2012 9:32:38 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Seizethecarp

So. . .someone adds a camera and gets a high vantage point. on the top of a hill, or on the roof of a skyscraper.

Heck, this sounds like something an assassin might use. . . zap someone in their office, from blocks away. . . .


49 posted on 12/19/2012 9:33:40 PM PST by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: JRandomFreeper
One into a jet engine running at 100%. That equipment is made to withstand 500MPH bird strikes.

Tell that to the passengers of US Airways Flight 1549.

Think you just overplayed your hand.

50 posted on 12/19/2012 9:38:12 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Forgot the link! Here ya go!

http://www.rcspeeds.com/pilot.aspx?p=74


51 posted on 12/19/2012 9:40:21 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

That’s the general rule. Of course, it depends how close you are to airports and obstructions.


52 posted on 12/19/2012 9:44:05 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: PAR35
I think you just made my point. Hitting a flock of geese, and getting everyone on the ground(water) alive, on full power take off, proves that the engineering on the aircraft, and the training of the crews make for safe outcomes in some bad scenarios.

Now, tell me how a bunch of featherlight drones are going to do more damage than a flock of fat geese.

/johnny

53 posted on 12/19/2012 9:47:10 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: GOPJ

When I was in highschool 60 years ago the mexican gangs were killing each other with knives, chains, and 2x4s.

Now the grandkids of these same gang bangers are killing each other with guns and dealing dope!


54 posted on 12/19/2012 9:53:21 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Of course, it depends how close you are to airports and obstructions.

Close enough that 121.5 is always programmed on one of the radios. I like to know when a B-52 is making one of the dreaded 7 engine landings, or a C-135 has to feather a prop.

/johnny

55 posted on 12/19/2012 9:54:13 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: lapsus calami
The 2nd Amendment - it's not just for "sporting purposes"!

You know, libs are sneaky bastards. They think they're pulling one over on us by continually associating the 2nd Amendment with hunting.

They think if they do this long enough, that most Americans will no longer associate the 2nd with its original and ONLY purpose, which is to ensure that The People have the physical means to resist a rogue, tyrannical government.

Once the people have lost sight of the Framers' original intent behind the RKBA, it becomes easy to restrict what sort of firearms are "reasonable" for Americans to own. After all, they're only for hunting purposes, right?

God, I hate the left!

56 posted on 12/19/2012 10:28:21 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier
I'd suppose that depends on what a feller is huntin'.

/johnny

57 posted on 12/19/2012 10:34:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'd suppose that depends on what a feller is huntin'.

That's a fair point.

58 posted on 12/19/2012 10:55:04 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“That equipment is made to withstand 500MPH bird strikes.”

The extensive history of bird-strike crashes disproves this.

If two Canada geese could bring down a KC-135 (Yukla-27) on the runway getting sucked in right at VR and kill all on board with no pilot error (they were had no chance) and Sully Sullivan’s plane could be brought down by those same birds as a more recent example at higher altitude, then I expect that well placed mini-helicopter drones in the turbofan could knock them out.

Here is a link to the Yukla-27 data recorder transcript:

http://aviation-safety.net/investigation/cvr/transcripts/cvr_yukla27.php

Here is the crash report:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19950922-0

Actually my research shown at the link in my tag line shows that a 747 was destroyed as a result on ingesting a kestrel, a truly tiny bird!

At my website I discuss how a 9 foot turbofan could be a gigantic target for a terrorist and I show a video if a mini-helicopter maintaining precise GPS controlled three-dimensional positioning...in a stiff crosswind to boot! The new enhanced GPS autopilots are extremely accurate...well within the diameter of a big jet turbofan.


59 posted on 12/19/2012 11:48:54 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“There’s a guy who had flown his RC glider to 498mph clocked with a radar gun. Might have hit 550mph when it wasn’t being clocked. I certainly wouldn’t want to be hit with that!”

I have seen that and it is awesome, but lethal in the wrong hands. The kinetic power on impact of the grapefruit-sized titanium mini-turbofan powering it would go through an airliner turbofan like a cannonball, for example.

That is actually the premise of “the runway kill zone”! (see tag line)


60 posted on 12/19/2012 11:52:47 PM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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