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The Disaster That Is "Plan B"
Hugh Hewitt ^

Posted on 12/19/2012 7:07:13 PM PST by Windy City Conservative

So why exactly did this get pushed forward, without consultation with the Senate leadership and without any chance for the GOP base to weigh in? At what point does GOP leadership figure out the "representative" part of their job?

This is a huge, indeed potentially catastrophic mistake, and the Speaker ought to withdraw the plan and send everyone home with a vow to make any tax cuts in the new year retroactive. We will go over the president's cliff, but the GOP will have some credibility left and may yet remember that the party of Reagan defends the military that defends us and, crucially, doesn't raise taxes.

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If Hugh Hewitt hasn't sold out yet, this must be a bad deal. Usually, he'd have forgiven his interview guest list by now.
1 posted on 12/19/2012 7:07:19 PM PST by Windy City Conservative
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To: Windy City Conservative

Funny, I was thinking the same thing. If this Rino thinks its bad.
It must be bad.
Lots of work to do between now and 2014.
Looks like we will need lots of Tea Party primary challengers.


2 posted on 12/19/2012 7:14:27 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Windy City Conservative

It is a terrible deal. Boehner is folding like a cheap suit as only a RINO can.

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/looming-threats-no-match-for-partisan-politics-class-warfare-versus-no-new-taxes/


3 posted on 12/19/2012 7:14:49 PM PST by whitedog57
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To: Windy City Conservative

God know where Hewitt is coming from. He’s just all over the board.

I think he’s a Christian and I think his heart is in the right place and he’s not a fool but so much foolish stuff comes out of his mouth it’s unbelievable to me.


4 posted on 12/19/2012 7:16:20 PM PST by DManA ( l)
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To: Windy City Conservative
I'm pretty sure that Obama will make no deal, he will force the draconian cuts of Sequestration, and he will blame the Republicans for the lack of a better solution.

Given all that, the Republicans should propose the deal that they would be most proud of -- the one their base wants them to support -- and just hold on and accept whatever comes.

Compromising your principles in the false hope that maybe Obama will be your new best friend is just a recipe for disaster.

5 posted on 12/19/2012 7:18:57 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Windy City Conservative

The beauty of plan b is that it was once cponsidered reasonable by democrats.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 7:19:53 PM PST by cymbeline
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To: Windy City Conservative; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ...
RE “This is a huge, indeed potentially catastrophic mistake, and the Speaker ought to withdraw the plan and send everyone home with a vow to make any tax cuts in the new year retroactive. We will go over the president's cliff, but the GOP will have some credibility left and may yet remember that the party of Reagan defends the military that defends us and, crucially, doesn't raise taxes.”

NO-NO-NO, no wonder Republicans get their clocks cleaned on every fight with Obama when their own side comes up with STUPID ideas like raising out taxes just because Rush's are going up. My god, he is asking Republicans to join O and Pelosi to defeat this bill so our taxes go up???

I never thought I would see the day when conservatives would argue for higher taxes for 99.8% of voters to serve the principle of ????. Do you folks want Obama to have a bigger majority than he had in 2009? The Dems are laughing at you fools on every show tonight.

This is idiotic logic! It makes no sense at all/.

7 posted on 12/19/2012 7:28:32 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: DManA

I agree for the most part. He favored Arnold the terminator, and look where that got us. He is friends with Antonio Villaraigosa and did not object to his election, only saying, “he’s just wrong.” Look what that got us—a city on the verge of bankruptcy. I am sure Hugh is a Christian, but “you shall know them by their works” is important. On his radio show he constantly denigrates his producer, Duane Patterson, who recently recovered from cancer treatment and has no clue about humor, injecting silly stories about Ohio sports teams at the wrong time. He needs a little counseling himself—and he is one of those vaunted counselor “lawyers.”


8 posted on 12/19/2012 7:29:59 PM PST by Fungi
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To: cymbeline

Maybe Bonehead will get lots of Rat votes on it.


9 posted on 12/19/2012 7:31:31 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Windy City Conservative

I called Heritage Foundation tonight and told them they will never get another dime of my money if they don’t change their position on this bill that keeps our taxes from going up/\

Screw them and screw Club for Growth for saying my taxes must go up because they are going up (automatically) for the 0.2%. Let them 0.2% fund them since they are using me as a hostage to protect them.


10 posted on 12/19/2012 7:32:47 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

Your taxes will eventually go up too. Don’t fool yourself.


11 posted on 12/19/2012 7:38:24 PM PST by Windy City Conservative
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To: Windy City Conservative
RE:”Your taxes will eventually go up too. Don’t fool yourself.”

Yes but I don't have to tolerate Republicans demanding that my taxes go up NOW for a idiotic loyalty test.

That's f,,ing Pelosi and Obama’s job, NOT Republicans job.

The idea of demanding that the House Rs become O and Pelosi's tax collector is the stupidest idea I have heard so far, It only helps THEM!

BTW : I appreciate you posting these, good place to get this out :)

12 posted on 12/19/2012 7:46:14 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Fungi

I heard him say it was a good thing Brown was elected governor of his state because Mrs. Brown was really smart and would lead her husband to do the right thing.

I think he’s so driven to find the silver lining he’s blind to the reality of the situation.


13 posted on 12/19/2012 7:51:15 PM PST by DManA ( l)
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To: sickoflibs

You are so short sighted. Once the GOP crosses the rubicon of raising taxes
at any level of income, they will come for your tax bracket eventually, as well.
Surely u can see that these hacks are unwilling or incapable of hard spending cuts, yet quite eager to raise taxes.
Taxes on the rich will not lower the debt, but increase the budget for
even more spending.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 7:56:36 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Fungi

I know he’s doing what he can do within the parameters of his medium. I understand that.

But somebody has to break the parameters. And obviously it’s not Hewwitt.


15 posted on 12/19/2012 8:02:41 PM PST by DManA ( l)
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To: tennmountainman; Windy City Conservative; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; ...
RE :”You are so short sighted. Once the GOP crosses the rubicon of raising taxes at any level of income, they will come for your tax bracket eventually, as well.”

Look, I don't know what talk radio show you get this CRAP from but THEY ARE LYING TO YOU.

Those taxes go up AUTOMATICALLY because they were passed in 2003 with budget reconciliation. It was budget rules.

That means that Bohners B bill is keeping our taxes from going up, NOT RAISING THEM. Those claiming it is raising taxes are LYING to you.
Lawrence O Donnell on MSNBC just repeated that same big lie an hour ago laughing at the fools here who believe it.
Why the f..,. do you think Pelosi and Obama are opposing B?

Demanding that Republicans be O and Pelosi’s tax collector (Because Rush's taxes are going up) is the stupidest thing I have heard so far. Dems are laughing tonight!

16 posted on 12/19/2012 8:10:26 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: DManA
Right on. But what do we have left? He is making a great effort, along with Medved, Prager and their kin. They all try but are not as abrasive as they could be for fear of loosing their audience, but then again that is in the realm of their program director, a man in Mississippi.
17 posted on 12/19/2012 8:16:19 PM PST by Fungi
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To: Windy City Conservative

John Boehner and his colleagues in the House are responsible for serving only their Congressional districts, but the president is responsible for serving THE ENTIRE COUNTRY, particularly during impending disasters, such as we’re facing now.

It is not John Boehner who should have been forced to come up with a Plan B to try to avert a crisis; the president should have been offering Plans B through Z until he found one that was an acceptable way to avoid having to inflict the biggest tax increase in American history on a nation already struggling economically, which could well lead to the greatest depression in American history.

John Boehner’s Plan B should be an acceptable compromise to any person not emotionally incapacitated with such furious resentment against wealthy people that he would be willing to send an entire nation to rack and ruin simply because only a portion of 1% rather than a full 1% of the nation’s wealthiest people would have their taxes raised.

If Barack Obama is so far beyond the pale psychologically that he refuses to accept John Boehner’s Plan B, then there will be an economic tragedy in this country. But at least John Boehner tried to avert it. Could anyone have done better in the same circumstances?


18 posted on 12/19/2012 8:18:29 PM PST by Bluestocking
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To: sickoflibs

Every conservative group and Mark Levin is against this bill.
You can google the groups that are against.
The Tax man may start with the rich, but he will come knocking at your
door and mine, as well, after they bleed the rich.
Open this pandora box and you don’t know what else will come out.
Revenue is not the problem, spending is the issue.


19 posted on 12/19/2012 8:21:50 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Fungi

Of all of them, I find Prager the most inspiring. The more I listen to him the more I am impressed,.


20 posted on 12/19/2012 8:22:06 PM PST by DManA ( l)
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21 posted on 12/19/2012 8:23:48 PM PST by narses
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To: Fungi

And the more I listen to Hewlitte the less I am impressed.


22 posted on 12/19/2012 8:30:24 PM PST by DManA ( l)
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To: tennmountainman
RE :”Every conservative group and Mark Levin is against this bill. You can google the groups that are against.”

As is Pelosi and Obama are against it, and lining up House and Senate Dems to vote against it.

I heard him yesterday on this.
Look, I know Levin is upset that his taxes are going up on the money he earns over $1M but he should not be telling his listeners that this bill is raising anybody's taxes because that is an outright lie.

This bill stops our taxes from going up, it DOES NOT RAISE THEM.

That fact that he knows he cant speak the truth on this shows how wrong his position is on it.

I nailed a Rush post on this today too.

Do they program you or can you understand the different between raising taxes and cutting them?? Are we allowed to think for ourselves or is that liberal (they tell you) ?

23 posted on 12/19/2012 8:31:43 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: tennmountainman; Windy City Conservative

So when your heroes on talk radio tell you that this B bill is RAISING taxes do you believe it???

This is a key question.

Your original reply to me implied that it was tax increase but I noticed you did not follow up to my nuking that idea with that specific claim.

Do you think the B bill raises anyone’s taxes?


24 posted on 12/19/2012 8:36:40 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

Agreed


25 posted on 12/19/2012 8:42:27 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: sickoflibs

No they don’t program me. Even though I am not wealthy, not even close,
you seem bitter of those who have made their success. It is you that seem
to engage in class warfare, like the democrats.
This bill will not pass the senate and Obama will not sign, even if it did.
You may think you will get a break by taxing the rich, but the DC Party
will come for your tax bracket, as well in the near future.


26 posted on 12/19/2012 8:45:26 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: sickoflibs

My understanding is the bill Bonehead will attempt to pass tomorrow will
raise taxes on people earning a million or more.


27 posted on 12/19/2012 8:49:09 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman
RE ::No they don’t program me. Even though I am not wealthy, not even close, you seem bitter of those who have made their success. It is you that seem to engage in class warfare, like the democrat”

Yes, I very bitter at those like Rush who are demanding that my taxes and the taxes of everyone I know be raised by Republicans , and for no good except to help Obama and Pelosi.
Yes, that royally pisses me off!

28 posted on 12/19/2012 8:53:29 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: tennmountainman
Targeted tax cuts is now championed on a site devoted to limited government.

Face it, “the people” desire their government programs society can't afford. We are spending over 40% more than we are taking in, therefore either everyone pay up or start getting serious about cutting and getting back to Article 1 Section 8 and the 10th Amendment.

29 posted on 12/19/2012 8:55:58 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Arthurio; tennmountainman; Windy City Conservative
RE :”Agreed

Thanks.
I have been no Bohner fan but I can understand the difference between raising taxes and cutting them, especially on 99.8% of Americans.

Here's a vanity I posted weeks ago that lays out how a B bill like this nails Obama, which means opposing it helps O and Dems.
Here's what the Republican House must do on taxes right now, and what will happen if they don't (Friday, December 07, 2012 1:01:08 AM · by sickoflibs)

I have had it with *our side* helping Dems win these fights. Its long past OLD.

30 posted on 12/19/2012 9:02:03 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

BTW. Is there any conservative talk show host or group that u like?


31 posted on 12/19/2012 9:04:45 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: rollo tomasi

Good luck on getting the DC Party serious about making cuts.
This country will collapse before that happens.


32 posted on 12/19/2012 9:09:54 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman
RE :”BTW. Is there any conservative talk show host or group that u like?”

By the way, you have not posted a single argument to me yet,

All you have posted to me so far is “XXX says...so we must do what they said because they said...”

Do they tell you that you must be a mindless robot to save this country?

33 posted on 12/19/2012 9:12:59 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

You know I don’t mind having a civil debate with you. We can agree to
disagree. But your name calling is way out of line. Goodnight.


34 posted on 12/19/2012 9:17:05 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman; Windy City Conservative; Arthurio; what's up; ArmstedFragg; Perdogg; Hoodat; ...
Always prepared I will lay out for you EXACTLY how the the plan of those against this tax cut B bill would play out as it has time and time again.

1) House Republicans listen to this guy and say ‘ taxes on the middle class 99.8% MUST go up unless we get a tax cut full extension for the 100%, for all that income above $250K ($1M now) too. We will not extend them without the others. We dont leave the job producers behind. We won the election.”

2) In January taxes go up (assuming it gets that far)

3) Obama gets on TV and Townhalls telling middle class voters that their taxes are going up because Republicans once again are putting ‘the rich’ ahead of them.

4) MSM hounds Republicans asking them if they are happy they ‘raised taxes’ on the middle class

5) House Republicans get flooded in a tidal wave of angry emails and phone calls from those who voted for them.
They try to go home for a visit and there are angry mobs around their house with signs
I am sorry I voted for you. You raised my taxes you lying #%%$$”, many are white and 50 + obviously not ACORN.

6) The stock Market tanks

7) House Republicans even the most ‘conservative’ go to Bohner and say “WE made a big mistake. We need to cut those taxes (under$250K income) and put this behind us. My voters want to kill me” just as they did with last years FICA.

8) The House quietly passes the extension in secret just as they did FICA last February.

9) Obama signs it declaring that the Rs finally saw reason

10) The stock market recovers some just because the panic is over sand no one knows that the resulting Obama tax increases hurt the stock market because they think house Rs crashed it and O saved it.

11) Obama gets credit for saving the economy. AGAIN.

12) House Republicans don't challenge O again for the next two years. So the Republican party melts down in civil war. Dems bayonet the R wounded.

13) In 2014 election Reid and Pelosi get back the same numbers they got in 2009.

14) January 2015 Congress passes a bill making Obama King. (no more filibuster to stop it)

15) Those who called for going off the cliff blame voter fraud and that MSM for O svictory. They say that other-wise their 'raise taxes on the middle class' plan' and blame O would have worked great.

35 posted on 12/19/2012 9:23:32 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: tennmountainman
RE :”You know I don’t mind having a civil debate with you.”

Debate??
You have not made any points except to imply that I am not good because I don't just post “XXX is against B so we must be too” as you did.

What did you debate?

36 posted on 12/19/2012 9:34:07 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

On the money.

Boehner is refusing to play into the narrative that the Dems were hoping for.


37 posted on 12/19/2012 10:26:21 PM PST by Arthurio
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To: Windy City Conservative

Kabuki theatre. Until they have a 5 year plan which gets to the historical ratio of gov’t spending to private sector GDP, it’s all phony demagoguery. I estimate gov’t spending will have to be 25% of what the gross spending is now across the board. Both parties are tyrannical misfits. Screw them since they screwed you. Tar and feather, repeat.


38 posted on 12/20/2012 5:51:50 AM PST by VRWC For Truth (Roberts has perverted the Constitution)
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To: Arthurio; bestintxas; what's up; ArmstedFragg; Perdogg; Hoodat; dan on the right; ...
RE “On the money. Boehner is refusing to play into the narrative that the Dems were hoping for.”

Key point : this is NOT a tax increase(as many on the R side are claiming) , it is a tax cut extension for all Americans WHO PAY INCOME TAXES even those making >$1M. That is why O and Pelosi oppose it.

I dont know if this bill will pass the House and I hope it does but just watching Obama and Bohner contrast on TV tells me that in January that Bohner House will pass a much worse bill than this with Dem support, much like we have seen in the other similar standoffs.

Last night TV acts :
Obama is cool and collected and gets on TV and plays it up as Mr reasonable :
I have given Republicans most of what they asked for. They need to learn how to take ‘yes’ for an answer. They always oppose their own ideas just because it is me calling for them
, then he takes questions from the MSM.
And the Dem team lines up behind him because they LOVE beating Republicans

In contrast Bohner gets up looking very weak and uncomfortable and says :
WE are passing this tax break for 99.8% of Americans and so if those taxes go up its Obama’s fault”, then he runs off the stage looking scared.

Then his tax cut extension bill gets attacked by his own base groups threatening primary challenges for those voting for it, INSTEAD demanding that they vote to to 'throw us off the cliff' so all our taxes go up. They apparently LOVE seeing Obama whipping their own (the House Rs) team and humiliating them.

So here is their big alternative 'throw us all off the cliff' plan:
1) Republicans make a stand that the 99.8% must get a tax increase just because the 0.2% will get one , then taxes go up on everyone rather than just the 0.2%:
2) Republicans blame O for the tax increases they themselves called and voted for in demanding we ‘go off the cliff’
3) Voters believe Republicans when they say that that O raised them, even after they read their(Republicans past) posts advising Republicans to ‘jump off the cliff’ because the MSM tells them its all Os fault, and so they call up Dems and Demand that they cave to all of House Republicans demands.
4) Reid passes a full extension of tax cuts, plus the additional tax cuts Romney promised, plus the ones Newt promised, Obama signs it in secret.
5) Republicans win 2014 big with filibuster proof Senate for 2015 and 80% control of the House, then they impeach Obama, Jim DeMint wins the WH in 2016.

With *plans* like this what could go wrong? again? and again?

39 posted on 12/20/2012 6:17:36 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

Your points are valid. I like #5, especially DeMint being President.


40 posted on 12/20/2012 6:21:34 AM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Perdogg
RE :”Your points are valid. I like #5, especially DeMint being President”

Unfortunately DeMint quit Senate to a top position in the Heritage Foundation.

I called them up yesterday and yelled at them for Demanding house Republicans ‘throw us off the cliff’ by opposing this bill.
I donated to them for 15 years and this is the stand they want to take?
Raising my taxes will make Obama cave to all the Bush tax rates, because the MSM will blame him instead?

41 posted on 12/20/2012 6:30:14 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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