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Navy: Working Uniforms Extremely Flammable
Military.com ^ | 12/16/2012 | Cristina Silva

Posted on 12/19/2012 10:31:27 PM PST by katiedidit1

If this sticky molten material came in contact with skin it would contribute to increased burn injury due to conductive energy transfer,” the report concluded. “The use of the NYCO material in an environment where there is potential for a flame or thermal threat is not recommended.”

Sailors on ships are regularly exposed to the threat of fire, especially those working with or near planes or engines.

The Navy removed its requirement that all uniforms be flame-resistant in 1996.

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KEYWORDS: navy

1 posted on 12/19/2012 10:31:31 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: katiedidit1

That is stupid. Why would they do such a stupid thing?.......


2 posted on 12/19/2012 10:34:52 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Red Badger

That is stupid. Why would they do such a stupid thing?.....
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Well, who ever heard of a fire at sea?

I certainly hope I don’t need to add the s/s/s/ to this.


3 posted on 12/19/2012 10:42:46 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Red Badger

Awesome. That is a stupid looking uniform anyway. Why would anybody think that a digital blue cammo would be worthwhile for absolutely anything. The only camouflage the Navy should be buying is for Corpsmen, EOD, Spec Warfare, SEABEES, and all the sailors that get stuck on rotations doing the Army’s job for them. The regular haze gray and under way sailors should go to a blue working uniform like the Coast Guard or the old blue jump suits.


4 posted on 12/19/2012 10:47:06 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Red Badger

Money. Some lobbyist or web of contacts to a congressman or friend ended up with the contract. Always money.


5 posted on 12/19/2012 10:47:42 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: xrmusn

In the Navy you worry about flash burn exposure and fire. That accounted for most of the casualties on ships. During WWII..many wore flash suits...the German and Japanese Navies were fully equipped with flash suits.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 10:48:04 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: katiedidit1
I thought they fixed that back in the '40s. I guess smarter people figured out a better solution that results in worse casualties.

I've frequented places where squids congregate.

I don't expect they'll put up with this for long.

Waiting for a Chief rant.....3,2,1...

/johnny

7 posted on 12/19/2012 10:51:27 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: USNBandit

They wear it so that if someone falls off the ship, nobody can see them.

/dripping wet sarcasm


8 posted on 12/19/2012 10:52:17 PM PST by Salamander (If animals could speak, mankind would weep.)
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To: USNBandit
There will be a Chief along in a bit to 'splain things and set things right.

This zoomie is respectful of the command of language and direct intent of Navy Chiefs.

/johnny

9 posted on 12/19/2012 10:54:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: USNBandit

Whatever happened to the dungarees and tees?.....


10 posted on 12/19/2012 10:59:35 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Oldexpat

I certainly hope I don’t need to add the s/s/s/ to this

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You apparently MISSED the above in my #3......<: <: <:


11 posted on 12/19/2012 11:04:00 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Red Badger

Whatever happened to the dungarees and tees?.....
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Yes, the patch pocket dungaree trousers, with a pressed dungaree shirt and clean white hat, with shined shoes was a GOOD LOOKING work uniform, easy to store and durable.

When the patch pocket dungarees became scarce they came out with the slash pocket and they looked ‘terrible’. We referred to them as ‘Wave Trousers’ and wore the old style till they ‘forced’ us out of them....

Believe that was called chambrey - at least the shirts?


12 posted on 12/19/2012 11:16:43 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: xrmusn

Chambray shirts and denim pants. Some people call chambray denim, too. Easy to care for, all cotton, though linen is better but more expensive.......


13 posted on 12/19/2012 11:27:48 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: katiedidit1

The Navy has always had the dumbest uniforms ever.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 11:34:42 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

They give them different uniforms so you won’t
mistake them for Marines. You’d think they
would be easy to spot with that MOP in their
hand...


15 posted on 12/19/2012 11:41:21 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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The ol poopie suit was the best ever.
No one cares what you look like 1000 feet below water.


16 posted on 12/19/2012 11:46:26 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: tet68

be easy to spot with that MOP in their
hand...
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That would be SWAB.

And, lest ye forget, a SQUID is an intelligent form of Marine Life.


17 posted on 12/19/2012 11:49:25 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: Theoria

Everything in this Country is being run by well-connected morons. It is shocking and shameful, really.

I also have a theory that many successful businesses send the “most stupid” family member into politics...thus removing the family idiot from business decisions, while gaining all kinds of favorable treatment.


18 posted on 12/19/2012 11:50:25 PM PST by garandgal
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To: mylife
.....and that's just in the last decade. Dungarees, replaced by working blues, replaced by the digital monstrosity. Then black garrison caps came out with one of those uniforms, the troops looked like they joined the SS. My second most despised uniform besides the digi camo is the khaki over black trou. Pull out those black pisscutters again and we are back to looking like the third Reich.

Don't even get me started on the "global force for good" slogan. I guess we wanted to take the heat off the Army for the "Army of One."

19 posted on 12/19/2012 11:58:13 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

I still have my old submarine jump suits.
All The others I have trashed.

Worthless ceremonial garb.

At least the venerable poopie suit can be used to work on a car.


20 posted on 12/20/2012 12:10:06 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Red Badger
That is stupid. Why would they do such a stupid thing?.......

1996.

Clintons.

End of subject.

21 posted on 12/20/2012 1:34:07 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: katiedidit1

Thought they learned from the uniforms of the 1970s.


22 posted on 12/20/2012 3:21:03 AM PST by jimfree (In November 2016 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more quality exec experience than Barack Obama)
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To: USNBandit

The digital blue camo works really well when someone goes over the side....


23 posted on 12/20/2012 4:18:27 AM PST by Kozak (The Republic is dead. I do not owe what we have any loyalty, wealth or sympathy.)
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To: xrmusn

Dungaree uniforms, in their very best condition, were ugly and depressing. In my exit interview, I let them know that looking like a convict was not acceptable. Obviously, a lot of others agreed.


24 posted on 12/20/2012 4:22:43 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: mylife
“The Navy has always had the dumbest uniforms ever.”

The dress blues were/are very well liked by the ladies.

25 posted on 12/20/2012 4:25:51 AM PST by ryan71 (Water, food and ammo.)
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To: katiedidit1

Are they going around this mountain again?
Back in the 80’s my husband had to purchase new uniforms because the cotton they had been using would burn.
Their solution was 100% polyester.
You would think there was at least one person in the Navy with some knowledge of textiles, and man made fibers.


26 posted on 12/20/2012 4:37:59 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Red Badger
That is stupid. Why would they do such a stupid thing?.......

Its more important now that the uniforms look F A B U L O U S ! !

27 posted on 12/20/2012 5:28:59 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Wiser now

Polyester doesn’t burn. It melts and sticks to the skin like napalm.


28 posted on 12/20/2012 5:52:48 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: katiedidit1

Again? We went through this in the 80s with another uniform material that melted and burned. I realize that laundry aboard ship is a problem, but the Navy now seems primarily about looking good rather than fighting good.


29 posted on 12/20/2012 6:06:42 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: Kozak
The digital blue camo works really well when someone goes over the side....

I was thinking the same thing.

Wouldn't the best camo for the Navy be something that blended in with the ship - like grey?
30 posted on 12/20/2012 6:08:31 AM PST by chrisser (Senseless legislation does nothing to solve senseless violence.)
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To: katiedidit1

I wonder who was the rocket scientists that thought of taking that requirement out ?


31 posted on 12/20/2012 6:09:39 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: ryan71

Oh now you done it...I LOVE the Navy Chief dress uniforms but guess I am partial since my father and husband both USN CPO Ret. I also love their khakis and nothing better looking than the midshipmen in their summer white dress uniforms:)


32 posted on 12/20/2012 6:22:20 AM PST by katiedidit1
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To: reg45

I know. I was melting polyester and nylon into smelly little balls in high school home ec in the early 60’s.
That’s why I knew the Navy hadn’t consulted anyone who knew anything about man made fibers.


33 posted on 12/20/2012 6:29:54 AM PST by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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Even the Air Farce has half a brain on non-flammable uniforms. AFSC’s that deal with flammable material (fuel etc...) are issued fire retardent garments. When I deployed to Kuwait in 2007 I was issued comfy practical 100% ripstop cotton 3 color desert BDU’s instead of the absurdly heavy, hot, and flammable ABU.


34 posted on 12/20/2012 6:46:34 AM PST by Tailback
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To: Wiser now

We Marines, along with our Navy brothers, stood an inspection while at flight school in Pensacola.

The USMC has very specific requirements for Class “A” service green uniform fabric. The uniforms of all the USMC officers were identical.

However, the ranks of the Navy pilots resembled a paint color chart of various shades of dark blue. Many also glistened as the sunlight hit their polyester threads.

We did look the same in our Nomex flight suits, except the Navy guys had longer hair. I was sitting in the ready room one morning, studying for my upcoming flight, when, out of the corner of my eye, I noticed that the flight student in the adjacent desk had REALLY long hair, even for a squid.

Then I noticed that the student’s flight suit was quite lumpy on the front. Two very shapely lumps, in fact...

“It’s a girl!” Yep, she was one of the initial four women Naval Aviators.

All Nomex flight suits are fire-proof, but not all flight suits are equal...


35 posted on 12/20/2012 7:34:32 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: ryan71

Dungaree uniforms, in their very best condition, were ugly and depressing. In my exit interview
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Generally ‘we’ all liked the dungarees - patch pocket - probably had more of a problem with the Whites. They did do away with the Jumper - well allowed you to wear a short sleeve open collar White Shirt, which was better but the trousers were pretty bad...
When were you in?
I had an ‘exit interview’ but am pretty sure we didn’t refer to it as that.

And naturally, the last one you want to ask is one that is leaving, voluntarily or not.

Like with the Discharge Physical.

You would get your info and get asked the ‘standard questions’ by a Corpsman, if you were breathing, looked well and had all your limbs, when the question “Any ongoing problems, generally? If so list them here (separate piece of paper)”.
He would go down the list and give you an ‘appointment’ usually 2-3 weeks away AND behind door #2 was the ‘release form’ - which, if signed, would have you on your way directly.

Well, needless to say, the going out Physical Dr wasn’t a very busy person.

Now, 20-30-40-50 + years later, that knee is acting up and ‘your record’ says, no record in your Final Exam about knee, tinnitus, eyesight etc etc etc...


36 posted on 12/20/2012 8:02:44 AM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: mylife

I loved my dungarees, not sure why they would be dumb, bellbottoms made it so they could be removed without taking boots off, wore well and were comfortable, especially after a few washings in salt water. they may have looked a bit dated, but they are much better than the McDonalds uniforms after them and way better than the blue digital “cammies.” And with the exception of the Marine Corps Blood Stripes, the cracker jacks are the most iconic uniform and best looking uniform in the military.

you know why they have 13 buttons on the front right? 13 chances for her to say yes, you know what the draw string on the back is for? in case she says yes before 13!


37 posted on 12/20/2012 8:38:55 AM PST by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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To: Docbarleypop
When I started my Navy career, we were issued the “utility” uniforms. Dark blue pants with a lighter blue shirt. And since I was small (109 lbs) I received the polo-type pullover shirt. First thing everyone did after boot camp was chuck the utilities and buy dungarees.

I wore dungarees for 20 years. Only problems were the pants faded too fast and you couldn't keep a stencil on them.

I also came in during the Zumwalt dress uniforms. Coat and tie Service Dress Blue, Winter Blue (called Johnny Cash's), Summer White, Summer Blue. The jumper Service Dress Blues became available during that first summer, and I bought a set. Loved them.

One advantage of the jumper uniform was that as I aged and my waist got a little bigger than my hips I could wear suspenders underneath the jumper to keep the 13 button pants from slipping.

With the digitized uniform the Navy is also trying to do away with the command ballcap, another tradition. It is not authorized for wear off the ship with that uniform, as it was with all other working uniforms. The three carriers I served on gave every new crewmember a ballcap when they checked in.

38 posted on 12/20/2012 10:11:52 AM PST by fredhead (It's my Herbie year...check out the number on the side of the famous VW.)
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To: fredhead

My son’s a bubblehead. He bought a set of dress blues but doesn’t have locker space on the boat for them, so they stay at his apartment. I think he’s worn them once.


39 posted on 12/20/2012 10:20:17 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

The NWU, or Navy Working Uniform replaced the dungarees (or their decendents) for E-1 to E-6, and the working khakis for Chiefs and Officers. Only difference in the uniforms between the ranks (other than rank insignia) is the Chiefs and Officers name tags are gold and E-1 to E-6 are silver.

You wear high top boots, good luck getting them off if you happen to fall overboard, and you have to “blouse” the pants. The winter coat is not provided and costs nearly $300.00. It’s so bulky you have trouble fitting it in a locker, and the sailors I talk to say they get stolen all the time.

Been retired from the Navy 14 years now but still work for the Navy.


40 posted on 12/20/2012 10:36:59 AM PST by fredhead (It's my Herbie year...check out the number on the side of the famous VW.)
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To: Docbarleypop; ryan71

I hated the dungarees and the crackerjacks.
You couldn’t even fit an ID in the pocket.


41 posted on 12/20/2012 10:38:15 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: katiedidit1

So...flammable AND butt-ugly to boot — ill-fitting and baggy, and in a color scheme I sure wouldn’t want to be wearing if I went overboard.

Regards,


42 posted on 12/20/2012 10:44:08 AM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: mylife

You really didn’t like the dungarees and crackerjacks? ‘Cause I can tell you...we girls LOVED it when you wore them.

Regards,

PS: Are the crackerjacks totally gone now? If so, what a shame. IMO


43 posted on 12/20/2012 10:50:43 AM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: VermiciousKnid

I don’t think crackerjacks will ever go away as a dress uniform.


44 posted on 12/20/2012 11:09:24 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Oh, I’m glad to hear that.

Regards,


45 posted on 12/20/2012 11:21:31 AM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: katiedidit1
Reading about what has become of my beloved Navy is depressing as hell.
46 posted on 12/20/2012 11:31:41 AM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: katiedidit1
Reading about what has become of my beloved Navy is depressing as hell.
47 posted on 12/20/2012 11:31:57 AM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: ryan71
Dungaree uniforms, in their very best condition, were ugly and depressing.

Agreed. The trou were like something a disco dancer might wear in the 1970s . . . with those goofy back pockets in the front.

48 posted on 12/20/2012 11:35:50 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: mylife

I still wear my dungarees while working in the yard or fixing my truck. Have a pair that are almost white from the saltwater washing on the ship, my favorite pair of jeans but i am not allowed out of the house with them


49 posted on 12/21/2012 7:56:41 AM PST by Docbarleypop (Navy Doc)
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