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OBAMA SETS JANUARY DEADLINE FOR GUN CONTROL PROPOSALS
GOP USA/AP ^ | 12/19/2012 | July Pace/AP

Posted on 12/20/2012 9:05:27 AM PST by IbJensen

WASHINGTON (AP) - Spurred by a horrific elementary school shooting, President Barack Obama vowed to send Congress new policy proposals for reducing gun violence by January.

"This time, the words need to lead to action," Obama said Wednesday. He tasked Vice President Joe Biden with leading an administration-wide effort to create the new recommendations and pledged to push for their implementation without delay.

The president, who exerted little political capital on gun control despite a series of mass shootings in his first term, bristled at suggestions that he had been silent on the issue during his first four years in office. But he acknowledged that Friday's deadly shooting had been "a wake-up call for all of us."

Twenty children and six adults were killed when a man carrying a military-style rifle stormed Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., Friday morning.

The president also called on Congress Wednesday to reinstate an assault weapons ban that expired in 2004 and to pass legislation that would close the gun show "loophole," which allows people to purchase firearms from private dealers without a background check. Obama also said he wanted Congress to pursue the possibility of limiting high-capacity ammunition clips.

"The fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing," Obama said. "The fact that we can't prevent every act of violence doesn't mean we can't steadily reduce the violence."

The president's announcement Wednesday underscores the urgency the White House sees in formulating a response to the Newtown shooting. The massacre has prompted several congressional gun rights supporters to consider new legislation to control firearms, and there is some concern that their willingness to engage could fade as the shock and sorrow over the Newtown shooting eases.

(Excerpt) Read more at gopusa.com ...


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Just another timely diversion from fiscal matters—continued irresponsible government spending—spiraling debt headed towards the $20 trillion mark—tax some more and tax some more—where’s all your concern for that Obama? Where’s your concern for the American people as a whole? And, as usual, you put somebody else in charge of coming up with a plan for “gun control” just as you do everything else because, as usual, you have no plan—you have no idea—you have no clue.

But there was a very big bunch of idiots who voted this idiot back into office. And can you believe that Time Magazine voted Obama Person of the Year?? Doesn’t take much to impress any more does it?

1 posted on 12/20/2012 9:05:30 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

Never let a crisis go to waste...while you’re “other hand” is dismantling the country and its Constitution!


2 posted on 12/20/2012 9:08:58 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: IbJensen

Citizen Control is alive and well.


3 posted on 12/20/2012 9:11:13 AM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: IbJensen

Great. His administration coming clean about Fast and Furious. Excellent!


4 posted on 12/20/2012 9:11:13 AM PST by DoughtyOne (How about a waiting period for putting crazys out on the streets, say NEVER!)
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To: IbJensen

You better believe these proposals are already typed
up and waiting to be passed.
Between now and the first of the year, during the
holidays there is not enough TIME to write these up.
So they have been written up all along, just waiting
for the right opportunity.

Democrats are like a cancer.


5 posted on 12/20/2012 9:11:37 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: IbJensen

I’m SURE that what joe biteme comes up with will end gun violence forever! It will put a big dent in the Constitution for sure.


6 posted on 12/20/2012 9:11:59 AM PST by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: IbJensen
I agree. It's about gun CONTROL.
7 posted on 12/20/2012 9:13:18 AM PST by DoughtyOne (How about a waiting period for putting crazys out on the streets, say NEVER!)
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To: tet68

What? You don’t believe the likes of Duncan and Sebelius can come up with something fair and unbiased?

LOL


8 posted on 12/20/2012 9:14:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: IbJensen
20 children and 6 adults are dead because of gun-control. Or we should call it what it really is victim disarmament.

Guns were banned at this public school. Many such mass murderers are cowards. They don't want to run into an armed victim. When armed responders are threatening to show, that is when the cowardly murderer takes his own life. Gun-control.

9 posted on 12/20/2012 9:15:17 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: IbJensen

“We don’t need no steenking input.”


10 posted on 12/20/2012 9:15:17 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: tet68

I agree. They’ve been written up for decades. It’s just that now they think they can get away with implementation.

Hope all is going good for you Tet68.


11 posted on 12/20/2012 9:15:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne (How about a waiting period for putting crazys out on the streets, say NEVER!)
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To: IbJensen

Obama going to Hawaii for 3 weeks and he expects his gun grab now will be ready to go when he gets back.


12 posted on 12/20/2012 9:15:46 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: IbJensen
What a chump.
Always with the deadlines.
13 posted on 12/20/2012 9:17:00 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: IbJensen

Obama wants to take action before the police investigation is even complete

“Assault rifle” is defined in Connecticut law. There was no assault rifle used.

http://www.cga.ct.gov/current/pub/chap943.htm#Sec53-202a.htm


14 posted on 12/20/2012 9:18:31 AM PST by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: IbJensen
King Obama, the biggest jackass in history, is about to get his ass whipped. Any more gun control and America will come unglued by real Americans.
15 posted on 12/20/2012 9:19:31 AM PST by Logical me
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To: DoughtyOne

Toughest Christmas in years, mom not doing well but
we make the best of it.
Merry Christmas to you and yours.-^^^^-
God bless us everyone.


16 posted on 12/20/2012 9:20:19 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Jane Long
you're = your

:(

17 posted on 12/20/2012 9:23:11 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: IbJensen
Screw Oboma. First we have to do something about government spending. An economic collapse will kill more people than any single gun owner.

BTW, how many people have been killed by Obomas own gun running? Maybe we should outlaw people like Oboma first, then talk.

18 posted on 12/20/2012 9:24:45 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: IbJensen
We have open carry here. Usually out and about I see one or two a week, yesterday I counted 7 in one day.
19 posted on 12/20/2012 9:26:41 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: IbJensen

I did some digging last night and found a few things. The FBI estimates that about 100 million US households have legal firearms and they also tracked about 350 deaths where a “rifle” was used. Semi-automatic rifles are some subset of that 350 number, but it is not explicitly tracked separately from bolt actions, pump actions or single shot rifles. So, the rate of “preventable deaths from semi-automatic rifles that are not needed” is no more than 0.00035%.

Then I went to the CDC stats and found that they estimate that about 8-10 million US households have swimming pools and they tracked about 3,500 drowning deaths, but they do not track specifically the subset of drownings that occurred in bath tubs, lakes, streams or swimming pools. So, the rate of “preventable deaths from swimming pools that are not needed” is no more than 0.035%.

Our governments own numbers are showing us that swimming pools are 1,000 times more dangerous than semi-automatic rifles!

If we are willing to accept the premise that the federal government should infringe on our liberty to address unnecessary deaths, then we would see much more value in banning swimming pools! In addition, we would cause harm to much fewer individuals and we don’t even have to deal with a Constitutional issue. Heck, we all know that swimming pools are a luxury that no family needs!

We should only allow people to swim in government owned pools.

Or we could simply live with the consequences of individual liberty and understand that we can address evil doers whenever possible, but we will never be able to stop all evil.


20 posted on 12/20/2012 9:27:27 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: IbJensen
40 years ago on “All In The Family” Archie Bunker gave his solution to the many plane hijackings going on at the time...he suggested giving each passenger a gun as they board the plane noting that any hijacker seeking to divert the flight elsewhere while looking down the barrels of dozens of handguns would likely reconsider his nefarious intentions.

After Sandy Hook, comedy then common sense now.

21 posted on 12/20/2012 9:29:53 AM PST by Happy Rain (Which fires first? The gun or the 2nd Amendment haters?)
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To: tet68

I’m very sorry to hear that, particularly the part about your mom.

God bless you too bud. I hope things look brighter for you in short order.

Merry Christmas.


22 posted on 12/20/2012 9:31:03 AM PST by DoughtyOne (How about a waiting period for putting crazys out on the streets, say NEVER!)
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To: tet68

It is already written, has been for years. I’m just wondering which desk drawer is used to store it....It can’t be the same one where they used to keep Obamacare, there wouldn’t have been room!


23 posted on 12/20/2012 9:31:23 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: IbJensen
Twenty children and six adults were killed when a man carrying a military-style rifle stormed Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., Friday morning.

Need some FReeper help on this one. This little gem is getting slipped into more and more coverage of this incident. Could SOMEONE PLEASE verify by article or report if this is true?

All accounts I've read and heard have stated that the shooter used 2 pistols exclusively and that the rifle was, in fact, in the car the shooter used to get to the scene.

This is turning into an enormous propaganda tool for the Communists in DC, and I believe the truth needs to set the record straight before they start with another AWB.

24 posted on 12/20/2012 9:33:04 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Jane Long

The good news is, the Current Occupant assigned the job to Joe Biden.

The bad news is, that any recommendations that Joe, while just being Joe (and thus the “solutions” will be inapplicable and inappropriate), shall come up with will be airily dismissed (like the Simpson-Bowles advice on the impending fiscal crisis) and some really unacceptable thing like demanding that ownership registration be turned over to the UN and it will be an international crime to own sidearms or ammunition. This would circumvent the Second Amendment altogether.

Criminals everywhere will rejoice.


25 posted on 12/20/2012 9:33:10 AM PST by alloysteel (Bronco Bama - the cowboy who whooped up and widened the stampede.)
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To: IbJensen

magic negro can kiss my ass.


26 posted on 12/20/2012 9:33:27 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: IbJensen
Relax. Whenever Obama puts Biden in charge of anything, rest assured it won't get done.

Other Joe Biden projects:

Agreement with Iraq for post-war occupation - Nothing!
Make sure stimulus money spent wisely - What a joke!

Its just a way for Obama to duck for cover. Oh, and he has a vacation in Hawaii, his adopted home, coming up. Can't have anything on his plate.

27 posted on 12/20/2012 9:33:41 AM PST by dan on the right
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To: Logical me

“Any more gun control and America will come unglued by real Americans.”

I doubt it. It didn’t happen when the government seized our physical beings, so why would it happen when they seize a piece of property?


28 posted on 12/20/2012 9:34:03 AM PST by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: alloysteel
some really unacceptable thing like demanding that ownership registration be turned over to the UN and it will be an international crime to own sidearms or ammunition. This would circumvent the Second Amendment altogether.

Mark my words: something like this happen, the government will have created 100 million Henry Bowman's overnight. This will not stand.

29 posted on 12/20/2012 9:34:25 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Could be worse:

"Authentic madman bitter clinger, brandishing a full outo dreaded black high powered man killer, squirting lead like a fire hose, swooped down on the defenseless schoolyard, rabidly drooling, stimulated by the power of the death machine in his hands to wantonly and indiscrimately slaughtering children, spewing 1200 bullets per minute........"

30 posted on 12/20/2012 9:38:46 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: IbJensen
I just found this interesting statement on what I believe to be an active legal document instructing the federal government on what they can and cannot do.

"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

I wonder if anyone in Washington has seen this document... It's called the Constitution of the United States. Someone should send them a copy for consideration.
31 posted on 12/20/2012 9:43:18 AM PST by Sopater (...where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. - 2 COR 3:17b)
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To: IbJensen
True Story:

Last Monday after the school shooting happened, the Catholic school where my boys attend decided to have a little in-class assignment to sort of help them understand what had happened since a lot of them were asking questions (I had already discussed it with my boys over the weekend due to constant questioning from them).

My 9 year old's class was asked to write down some brief words about how the shooting made them feel. My son went on to write a short paragraph about how sad he was about all those kids dying and then he explained that he was also a little bit scared because the teacher and the principle at his school didn't have any guns to save them if a guy came to their school like that. I won't get into his assessment of their weak security methods, but it was a bit comical to say the least.

Of course, that's the shortened version, but his words almost exactly. He knows full well that guns aren't allowed inside the school because I am forced to disarm and lock my iron in the glove box every stinking time we go into the school... he also knows I never take the gun off unless I go to bed so we have had this discussion regarding guns not being allowed int he school.

The teacher sent the students home with their papers for us to read and discuss if we felt necessary... it was not a graded paper, but did have one teacher comment written on it in red ink; "interesting perspective" is all it said.

32 posted on 12/20/2012 9:45:12 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: IbJensen

Lets get one of those petition thingys going on the WH website that says leave our guns alone.


33 posted on 12/20/2012 9:47:27 AM PST by Starstruck (Washinton is presently building a diving board on the fiscal cliff)
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To: rarestia
All accounts I've read and heard have stated that the shooter used 2 pistols exclusively and that the rifle was, in fact, in the car the shooter used to get to the scene.

That was incorrect early information. A shotgun was recovered from the car. All of the victims were killed by .223 rounds fired from the Bushmaster, according to the medical examiner.

34 posted on 12/20/2012 9:50:32 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: tet68
Sorry about the tough times. Prayers for your mother and family.

What about marketing a new widget with your machinist skills? Maybe a pretty clamp for bracing hi-cap M-4 magazines together?...or a shiny paperweight for bureaucratic Obamacare forms?...or a scooter uni-body for durable electric transportation?...or a better rasp for sharpening our axes and machetes?

35 posted on 12/20/2012 9:50:50 AM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Jane Long

An 88 yr. old German relative who lived during the rise of the Third Reich said the other day that she didn’t see how the American people couldn’t see that Obama’s doing exactly like Hitler did during that time.


36 posted on 12/20/2012 9:53:40 AM PST by Twinkie (The wicked walk on every side when evil men are exalted. Psalm 12:8)
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To: IbJensen

GOP needs to just say “Gun control is people control. Do you really feel safer with the government having all the guns?”


37 posted on 12/20/2012 10:02:22 AM PST by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

And the pistols that were supposedly used? I believe they cited a Glock 20 (10 mm) and a Sig Sauer 9mm?

Where the Hell do they get their information?


38 posted on 12/20/2012 10:02:34 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: IbJensen

We don’t need any gun control peoposals.

We need to whip this president under control. Because he is outta control.


39 posted on 12/20/2012 10:05:44 AM PST by dforest
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To: Monterrosa-24

Am working on that. Now that I have a shop building
I am slowly getting my forge shop put back in operation.
Everything takes so much longer when you’re 67.
Got the 220 lines run for the iron worker, welder
and Hammer and outlets for the hand tools. Now have
to locate an install the forge hood, but my sis doesn’t
like me being on the roof so have to wait for my younger
brother to come help. Looking forward to being able to
work. I had to shut the shop down 12 years ago when I
lost my lease and couldn’t find a place to move to.
Then I went into industry until I retired and was able
to buy a house with a three car garage to make into
a forge shop.

Two Anvils = no waiting!
No, I am not an equine podiatrist.


40 posted on 12/20/2012 10:15:19 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: IbJensen

My suggestion is that Obama sit down and STFU about guns.


41 posted on 12/20/2012 10:21:01 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: dan on the right

Biden is there as a distraction. He’s not rally in charge. As many have said, this is a ready-made campaign with the script fully written.

Consider the 24/7 pounding of the story replete with anti-gun talking points, coming from all communications channels including, this time, sports included this time.


42 posted on 12/20/2012 10:21:16 AM PST by DBrow
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To: IbJensen
I'm so old, I can remember when the executive branch and legislative branch grumpy old man Pictures, Images and Photos were co-equal branches of government, before our `lord and savior'.
43 posted on 12/20/2012 10:27:34 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives. "A long train of abuses and usurpations.")
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To: IbJensen
So he (they) can put it on his application for another Peace Medal??

Can we etch the names of all the babies murdered via abortion on the medal?

44 posted on 12/20/2012 10:43:44 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Twinkie

I agree with your 88 year old German relative, and keep wondering the same thing. We seem to be sitting back and taking it. I can’t believe this is happening, right before our very eyes, and the sheeple are going along with being taken to slaughter.


45 posted on 12/20/2012 10:51:49 AM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: Logical me

First, there are already more than 20,000 gun control laws actively on the books today and none of them prevented this tragedy. Second, millions upon million of people in America own guns and 99.9999% of them have never and will never do anything like this.

So, let’s lose the hysteria and analyze the facts - a PERSON did this, NOT a hunk of steel. In Portland, a PERSON killed two people in the mall, NOT a hunk of steel! In Denver, a PERSON shot up the theater, NOT a hunk of steel!!

NONE of these facts will matter to the gun-grabbing nanny-staters, because they focus solely on the gun and nothing else. So, what happens if ALL guns are outlawed and forcibly collected by the feds? Someone bent on committing mass murder may turn to knives, hatchets, chainsaws or machetes. So, we outlaw those. The next person to commit a heinous crime may use a bat, poison, poison gas or a semi-tractor. And the one after that may use a car, a pen or pencil, a rock, his hands . . . . . . so when do we blame the PERSON and NOT the inanimate weapon!???

The fact remains that until the left understands that murdering humans by ANY means including their favorite method, abortion, human life will be valueless and more copycats will come out to exercise their demented mass murder of innocent people.

All of that said, it occurs to me that the gun-grabbers are from the leftist school of complete control. What that means is that if 1 person commits a gun crime then, under the leftist theory of the “collective” and “groupthink”, they believe that ALL gun owners will commit mass murder unless they eliminate guns (good luck with that!). So, the calls for more gun control by the left after these incidents is twofold - eliminate the “balance of power” the Founding Fathers so carefully wove into the Constitution and gain total control over the people.

Another part that affects all of this is the fact that laws, whether gun laws, robbery laws, or whatever, are written solely to affect law-abiding citizens. People who commit crimes are called “outlaws” and criminals because they DON’T adhere to the laws created to control or stop their illegal activities.

So, should the left create additional gun control laws, will it prevent the next gun-related crime? Of course not. Laws only affect those of us who obey them. Those who disregard the law won’t be stopped from committing whatever crime they want to commit.

As a final note, Adam Lanza did not own the guns he used to murder all of the people at Sandy Hook Elementary. They were his mother’s guns and they were all legally purchased and registered. Which begs the question, what will any NEW gun control laws accomplish?


46 posted on 12/20/2012 10:57:51 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: IbJensen
A few days after the tragic Sandy Hook school murders, a young Marine in fatigues stationed himself at the front entrance of the Nashville elementary school his two children attend. Another parent heard him admit to a reporter that he was unarmed. The other parent commented that, even though the young Marine standing guard was not armed, it made him “feel better” to know he was there.

It’s often been observed that “perception is more important than reality”. The observation is often correct. It is never MORE CORRECT than for those we’ve come to call “liberals”. I prefer “statist” but “liberal” has morphed from its classic meaning to the other end of the spectrum so I’ll stay with it.

Since these folks operate almost entirely on EMOTION and FEELING, REALITY seldom allows FACTS to intrude upon the delusional worldview they have constructed and the comfort that provides them. It is that illogical, irrational and delusional mindset that prompts many of them to continue to quest after a Utopian society. The thought that such a society can and will never be achieved in a fallen world populated with failed sinners never penetrates whatever remains of their cognitive consciousness. It’s a DANGEROUS WORLD and, as the liberals continue to “define deviancy down”, it becomes more dangerous daily.

There is another, far more sinister, level of the “liberal” call for gun control.

It was Mencken who offered that “The urge to save humanity is most often a false front for the URGE TO RULE.” He clearly had been a student of the liberal politicians of his day. Were he alive today and able to observe the likes of Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Obama and the rest, he’d almost certainly have used far stronger language to frame his sage observation.

To conclude, dozens of studies reveal the FACTS concerning gun control. Those FACTS are that where firearms are widely and READILY available to law-abiding citizens, CRIME GOES DOWN! The liberals who willfully ignore the FACTUAL EVIDENCE and continue to call for gun control (i.e. the DISARMING of DECENT CITIZENS, thereby denying them the ability to exercise their God-given right to self-defense) are those about whom Mencken wrote: Their goal is NOT about preserving life. It is about the hell-bent pursuit of the impossible to achieve Utopian world where all are equal but some (that’d be THEM) are MORE equal than others (that’d be US).

There are many PRO-RTKABA videos on You Tube that your often busy lives don’t allow you to find on your own. Search there for “Gun Control”, watch them – and, more importantly – SHARE THEM with the folks in your orbit.

We’re in a fight. And losing will ultimately cost us much more than our right to our guns. Dick Bachert 12/19/2012

47 posted on 12/20/2012 11:11:51 AM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: Jane Long
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48 posted on 12/20/2012 11:18:24 AM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: rarestia
They haven't changed that. And I haven't heard if he shot himself with one of those. What's known is that all the victims where shot with .223 rounds.

As for how they got it so wrong, you have to recognize that they're a quarter mile away, scrambling for every bit of information they can to fill hours of airtime with only a minute's worth of hard, confirmed information. And the guys who know are inside the school working, not BSing with the news crews over where the vans are parked. So they're talking to the guy who is telling them what he heard from the guy who overheard something when he ran something up to primary investigators a little while ago. Then it goes viral and when the police try to clarify, it becomes a conspiracy.

49 posted on 12/20/2012 11:20:32 AM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: tet68
I can really identify with you. Being 65 and having bilateral neurapathy, I am working on my woodworking shop and adding walls to my carport. Everything takes longer than it used to, but it beats the alternative.

Merry Christmas!

50 posted on 12/20/2012 11:39:46 AM PST by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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