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Speaker Pelosi 2014 (Vanity)
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Posted on 12/20/2012 5:22:16 PM PST by indianrightwinger

By defeating the Speaker tonight, the GOP delegation in the House gave him the blank check to cut lousy deals with the lousiest President of all times that will pass with Democratic votes. Mark this day. It leads to Democratic control of the House in 2014 at worst or significantly reduced (bare) majority for the GOP.

This is the most suicidal political outcome I have ever seen. Good luck!


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2014; congress; pelosi; planb; vanity

1 posted on 12/20/2012 5:22:18 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger
They will try to re-schedule.

Likely there are very few votes to win. We'll see what happens.

2 posted on 12/20/2012 5:25:28 PM PST by what's up
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To: indianrightwinger

The stupid party ought to just hand Nazi Poopsi the hammer back right now.

The GOP is the Scottish nobles from Braveheart. They are last people you want to go to battle with at your back.


3 posted on 12/20/2012 5:25:57 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: indianrightwinger

It would be nice to know what actually happened, since the news is still coming-in. But at first glance, it does seem that it leaves blood in the water for Obama and his minion.


4 posted on 12/20/2012 5:26:26 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: indianrightwinger

Boehner should not have put out Plan B in the first place-since Republicans had a mandate not to raise taxes on anyone-not even millionaires.

Therefore, the congressmen who listened to their constituents are not wrong-Boehner tried to ignore them, fire them from committees, etc, and his strong-arming didn’t work. The Republicans need to find out the people are serious about getting back a conservative country.


5 posted on 12/20/2012 5:30:59 PM PST by Wisconsinlady ("Never give the devil a ride; he will want to take over the driving.")
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To: what's up
Cavuto is reporting that the House won't reconvene until after Christmas. DOW futures are down more than 200 points.
6 posted on 12/20/2012 5:31:05 PM PST by Truth29
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To: indianrightwinger

I am confused.

If boner can’t get this deal through the house, tell me how he is going to get the lousy deals you envision through the house?


7 posted on 12/20/2012 5:33:52 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: indianrightwinger

I don’t get it. Most here wanted the fiscal cliff, and we are now one step closer to it. Why are so many wetting their pants over this? Like I said, I don’t get it.


8 posted on 12/20/2012 5:33:52 PM PST by CatOwner
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To: indianrightwinger

Two years is a long way away. Who knows what will be happening between then and now. I predict Iran will have the bomb. I predict the deficit will be about 1500 billion a year. I predict that gold and silver will be a lot higher per ounce. I predict that there will be a serious third party forming.


9 posted on 12/20/2012 5:34:32 PM PST by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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To: indianrightwinger

?


10 posted on 12/20/2012 5:36:09 PM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: indianrightwinger
Boehner has no one to blame but himself.

He tried the strongarm routine & it backfired.

11 posted on 12/20/2012 5:36:43 PM PST by skeeter
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To: old curmudgeon

With Democrat votes. Duh!!


12 posted on 12/20/2012 5:37:38 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger

So earlier we were supposed to oppose Plan B because it raised taxes and had no clear spending cuts.

Now we are supposed to be angry because we killed it?

I’m confused. Can someone make a banner of what we are supposed to think about something and keep it up to date?

/snark


13 posted on 12/20/2012 5:38:13 PM PST by mnehring
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To: indianrightwinger
Theys still have to vote for the new Speaker in January. Boehner should not think that he's a shoo-in to keep his position.

Don't be such a fatalist. A lot can still happen.

Boehner may not keep his Speakership if this continues.

-PJ

14 posted on 12/20/2012 5:38:27 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: mnehring
So earlier we were supposed to oppose Plan B because it raised taxes and had no clear spending cuts.

Then they said we were supposed to support it because it lowered taxes.

-PJ

15 posted on 12/20/2012 5:40:04 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: old curmudgeon
If boner can’t get this deal through the house, tell me how he is going to get the lousy deals you envision through the house?

He'll just co-sign the executive orders.

16 posted on 12/20/2012 5:40:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Louie Gohmert for Speaker of the House

We need a speaker that actually speaks for us.


17 posted on 12/20/2012 5:42:08 PM PST by mnehring
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To: indianrightwinger

It was a vote of no confidence on bonehead and thugs .
He needs to resign .
I suspect his stupid comment about the 2nd amendment review
Pissed off a lot of Voters and the offices were flooded with calls about The k street bagman .

He needs to leave now !


18 posted on 12/20/2012 5:45:03 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I realize you wrote that in jest, but like so many jests, it may have hit on the truth.

Nothing he does would surprise me.

Now about executive orders.

I suppose that he could use an executive order to extend an existing law, which of course we would like.

But I doubt if the court would uphold the creation of any new tax law, which any increase in any tax would be, by executive order.


19 posted on 12/20/2012 5:46:14 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yeah. A more conservative speaker will emerge and take on President Obama. Get the public on his side. Turn the public against the President. Oh yeah. All that will happen. Surely it must!


20 posted on 12/20/2012 5:47:30 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: Political Junkie Too

Yes that was the Karl Rove logic !
The reason was to save the K street thugs and there
Military contractors and all the other Beltway bandits inflated budgets !


21 posted on 12/20/2012 5:47:49 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: indianrightwinger

OK, so how about telling us what your solution is.

Sniping from the peanut gallery does not add anything to solving the problem.


22 posted on 12/20/2012 5:49:52 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: mnehring

Let me explain to the “conservatives” what was supposed to happen. And, that is to extend THE MOST of the Bush tax cuts as possible in this damn political climate. All else is BS.


23 posted on 12/20/2012 5:50:27 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger
Well, let's see what happens.

I asked elsewhere, what would compell House Republicans to want to sign up for two more years of this thug behavior of threatening committee seats after seeing this behavior played out, when they have a way out at their disposal?

24 posted on 12/20/2012 5:50:45 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: ncalburt
My reason is that we need a Speaker who can restore the legislative process. I've said for two years that Boehner shouldn't be taking on Obama directly. All he's doing is making Obama look presidential and Boehner look small and weak.

The Speaker should be taking on the do-nothing Senate and Harry Reid. We know why Reid hasn't moved any legislation forward - it's because anything he does will instantly be labeled the Democrat position. They feel it's better to just keep whacking away at the Republican position because the MSM will never call them on not having a Democrat position to debate.

The Speaker should force Reid to have to work with Obama. Make the MSM talk about that, instead.

-PJ

25 posted on 12/20/2012 5:55:17 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: old curmudgeon

Simple. Protect 99.8% of tax payers from expiring Bush tax cuts. Period.


26 posted on 12/20/2012 5:55:17 PM PST by indianrightwinger
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To: indianrightwinger
Get rid of *Boner* and start defunding every bit of Obobo crap they can.
The House is under Republican control and they control the purse strings, damn it!
27 posted on 12/20/2012 5:56:36 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: indianrightwinger
... because offering half a democrat loaf has worked out so well for the republicans.
28 posted on 12/20/2012 5:59:47 PM PST by skeeter
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To: Political Junkie Too

First bonner is not a republican .
He is the k
Street bagman and so is cantor and McCarthy and Ryan !
They gutted away the conservatives , then talked about gun control and then used pelosi deal !
The rank and file are not stupid !
They want bonner and his crooked k street thugs gone way before 2014 !


29 posted on 12/20/2012 6:02:32 PM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: indianrightwinger

Do you recall Bush’s “Read my lips, no new taxes”?

And do you recall what happened to him?

How much better off will you be with all of those Tea Party conservatives replaced by dims?

When people of character shake your hand and tell you that it is a deal, there is no more discussion about whether or how it is to be a deal. It is a done deal.

Whether it is a good strategic move to change the deal is not even a matter for discussion. It is a deal.

What you and boner suggest is that all of those conservative house members should take the attitude of the GA senator who says that its a promise made years ago and it is OK to go back on it.

Not for those who have ethics. Its called character.

There are no more Patrick Henrys.

Only Henriettas.


30 posted on 12/20/2012 6:04:36 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Political Junkie Too

Boehner may not keep his Speakership if this continues
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As screwed up as the R’s are, they will try to oust “BO’s favorite Boner” and Pelosi will end up as Speaker.

Which in itself may not be bad BUT the D’s will quickly hop on the issue that nothing can be done because of the ‘do nothing R’s, who couldn’t even take advantage of their majority status’.

That may ‘wake up’ the R’s, but I actually think ‘we’ are lucky that ‘we’ kept the House, the way everything else went.

D’s probably thought the lead was uncatchable this time and didn’t waste any time or effort to regain it....


31 posted on 12/20/2012 6:06:09 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: indianrightwinger; All

House to Recess for Christmas with the Bush tax cuts for the RICH, oops, I mean Bush tax cuts for everyone to expire.

I think, let the rats own it. Let them own the increased taxes on everyone. The rats have lied for years about the current tax structure. Saying repeatedly that the Bush tax cuts were only for the “rich”.


32 posted on 12/20/2012 6:07:16 PM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: indianrightwinger

Democrats have a majority in the House?


33 posted on 12/20/2012 6:08:17 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: The Cajun

Get rid of *Boner* and start defunding every bit of Obobo crap they can.
The House is under Republican control and they control the purse strings, damn it!


If boner had any balls, he would remind obumbler that he has a long 4 years ahead of him. There will be budgets, deficit ceilings, lots of appropriations bills that involve stuff that the voters care nothing about, like the EPA, Commerce, State, etc., that the ordinary voter cares nothing about one way or the other and that if this tax thing continues as it is headed now, the next 4 years is going to be very unpleasant for the president.


34 posted on 12/20/2012 6:10:50 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon
The way I see it, from here on in the republicans need to stand for smaller government and more economic liberty and no more compromise. None.

We're screwed anyways if things continue in this vein.

I'd rather see the GOP go down swinging.

35 posted on 12/20/2012 6:15:09 PM PST by skeeter
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To: xrmusn
They will have to make sure that it's done in a way that doesn't split the ticket and let Pelosi have the most votes.

I think there are quorum rules for this vote, where a vote for present is not a vote for Pelosi. I read some threads about it last week. It sounds more like a caucus vote - you keep voting until someone crosses a threshold or someone drops out.

If Boehner gets what is essentially a "no confidence" vote, would he continue to run and twist arms stronger, or would he drop out and let someone else be Speaker?

-PJ

36 posted on 12/20/2012 6:19:40 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: indianrightwinger

House did good in rejecting the bill. Boehner’s fault for putting it out without any support. Tea Party is mad at Boehner.


37 posted on 12/20/2012 6:26:09 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: indianrightwinger

“By defeating the Speaker tonight, the GOP delegation in the House gave him the blank check to cut lousy deals”

This makes no sense. Defeating Plan B means Boehner cannot pass a plan and is thus powerless. It’s the cliff baby...


38 posted on 12/20/2012 6:26:51 PM PST by y6162
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To: old curmudgeon
We see it, many see it, why can't *Boner* see it?
Time for the corrupt, probably blackmailed, bastard to go.
He has done conservatives no good.
39 posted on 12/20/2012 6:35:47 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

They will have to make sure that it’s done in a way that doesn’t split the ticket and let Pelosi have the most votes
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From what they have recently shown etc, I don’t believe they have enough sense to pull it off.

Naturally, I hope I am wrong but I don’t have much confidence in them. Especially since Boner tried his scorched earth policy so he must feel he has enough votes to keep his seat, otherwise he wouldn’t have purged the Conservatives....


40 posted on 12/20/2012 6:36:07 PM PST by xrmusn (6/98 "It is virtually impossible to clean the pond as long as the pigs are still crapping in it")
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To: mnehring

Gohmert is fine; so is Issa.


41 posted on 12/20/2012 6:57:18 PM PST by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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To: indianrightwinger

If the Senate won’t even vote on Plan B and even if they did and it passed, Obama has said he would veto it, what was the purpose in even bringing it up?

Why not just bring Plan A up for a vote? It would face a similar fate, but at least it would PASS the House. This maneuver just makes Boehner look weak.


42 posted on 12/20/2012 7:28:36 PM PST by randita
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To: randita

The public is simple and saw only Boner defending the 1%. We need a Speaker that can express his way out of a paper bag. ............Bye, bye Boner.


43 posted on 12/20/2012 9:15:42 PM PST by Phosgood (Send in the Clowns...but Wait, they're here!! >..<)
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