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For A Well-Regulated Militia, What Firearms, Gear, and Skills Should You Own?
Pajamas Media ^ | 12/21/2012 | Bob Owens

Posted on 12/21/2012 5:33:07 AM PST by SeekAndFind

The brutal murders of 20 schoolchildren and six adults in Newtown, CT, stunned the world last week. A mentally ill young man apparently discovered that his long-suffering mother was going to attempt to have him committed to a psychiatric facility; he took out his rage upon her and then his former elementary school’s faculty, staff, and students.

It was senseless. It was barbaric. As parents, it is difficult for us to cope with the thought of having our youngest beloved ripped from us by any method, much less something as abhorrent as intentional, callous murder. No decent person could feel anything but anguish for their loss.

As Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel warned us, however, there is a mentality among the opportunistic political class that demands they “never let a serious crisis go to waste.”

While America recoiled, media vultures first pounced upon the survivors while they were still in shock. Since then, they have attacked America’s lawful gun owners, of which there are roughly 100 million.

We’ve heard calls for “gun control” in recent days, including specific demands for a ban on so-called “assault weapons.” Detractors question the need for weapons “designed for war” whose “only purpose is to kill”; they insist that you “don’t need an assault rifle” for hunting deer.

This is ignorance, and further, completely misses the point. To cite something I wrote earlier in the week:

The Second Amendment was not written to protect firearms designed for the taking of game, nor firearms designed for sport or individual personal defense, except that such a purpose proves to be militarily useful.

The explicit purpose that the Second Amendment was written was so that civilians that comprised the militia and alarm list would be armed with military-capable arms to depose would-be tyrants.

I’d amend that slightly to more accurately reflect that the intention was to arm citizens with contemporary arms of military utility. To assert that the right applied merely to flintlock muskets suggests that human rights are superseded by advances in technology, which is on its face a preposterous statement. Could anyone rationally argue that freedom of speech does not apply to modern forms of communication?

The Second Amendment was written to ensure citizens had contemporary rifles of military utility, and no single rifle more accurately fits that description today than AR-15 rifles patterned after the M-16 rifle and M-4 carbine that have been the U.S. military standard for half a century.

If Americans are interested in adhering to the Founders’ intentions for a “well-regulated militia” as envisioned, it is our duty not to just own firearms (with exceptions made for religious, mental, and physical limitations), but to own AR-15 rifles and accessories and to train with them to an agreed upon standard of competency. This competency (and proficiency) is what the Founders meant by the term “well-regulated,” which in the English of the day meant “smoothly functioning.”

An unorganized militia’s military efficiency can be measured a number of ways, but the most easy and logical to measure is to require a certain minimal level of equipment and to judge proficiency with military-capable firearms.

As previous militias were required to maintain a minimal level of stores, a modern contemporary militia would want to be equipped with the following:

* an AR-15 rifle or carbine, with iron sights or optics at least four but preferably seven or more 30-round magazines

* a chest rig or bandolier for carrying loaded magazines a constantly maintained reserve of 1,000 rounds of full-metal jacket (FMJ) ammunition for training and service use if called upon

* appropriate seasonal clothing

* a first aid kit (preferably an individual first aid kid, or IFAK)

* food, water, and temporary shelter for three days

The traditional way to measure weapons proficiency is a marksmanship test such as the Army Rifle Qualification Test or the Marine Rifle Qualification Test. A variant of this test commonly used today is the 25-meter Army Qualification Test (AQT) as administered during Project Appleseed events, which itself is based upon World War I riflemanship standards (disclosure — the author is an Appleseed instructor) but adapted and scaled to fit a 25-meter range.

Ideally, citizens should be able to use AR-15s or comparable arms to demonstrate proficiency at 100 yards, 200 yards, 300 yards, and 400 yards either on the scaled 25-meter range or, where available, an actual known distance (KD) range. Such training does not constitute violations of the law in regards to the establishment of private militias, yet still ensures a level of firearms proficiency among the general population that serves the deterrent effect the Founders intended: to dissuade the undermining of the republic by enemies “foreign and domestic.” The thought of engaging a nation with tens of millions of self-equipped riflemen capable of decimating government forces from nearly a quarter-mile away is chilling to any would-be tyrant.

The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States is the last line of defense against tyranny and, far from being a colonial relic, was most recently used in 1946 in several areas as returning GIs took on tyrannical local government machines. The most significant of these, the “McMinn County War,” saw young veterans home from World War II depose a corrupt and tyrannical government using military arms.

Eleanor Roosevelt wrote at the time of this morally required insurrection:

We in the U.S.A., who have long boasted that, in our political life, freedom in the use of the secret ballot made it possible for us to register the will of the people without the use of force, have had a rude awakening as we read of conditions in McMinn County, Tennessee, which brought about the use of force in the recent primary. If a political machine does not allow the people free expression, then freedom-loving people lose their faith in the machinery under which their government functions.

In this particular case, a group of young veterans organized to oust the local machine and elect their own slate in the primary. We may deplore the use of force but we must also recognize the lesson which this incident points for us all. When the majority of the people know what they want, they will obtain it.

Any local, state or national government, or any political machine, in order to live, must give the people assurance that they can express their will freely and that their votes will be counted. The most powerful machine cannot exist without the support of the people. Political bosses and political machinery can be good, but the minute they cease to express the will of the people, their days are numbered.

This is a lesson which wise political leaders learn young, and you can be pretty sure that, when a boss stays in power, he gives the majority of the people what they think they want. If he is bad and indulges in practices which are dishonest, or if he acts for his own interests alone, the people are unwilling to condone these practices.

When the people decide that conditions in their town, county, state or country must change, they will change them. If the leadership has been wise, they will be able to do it peacefully through a secret ballot which is honestly counted, but if the leader has become inflated and too sure of his own importance, he may bring about the kind of action which was taken in Tennessee.

A former first lady of the United States condoned insurrection to restore constitutional law, and against corrupt local representatives of her own Democratic Party. She knew a history uncorrupted by modern-day revisionism.

In the days after April 19, 1775, Founding Father Samuel Adams trod the road between Lexington and Concord at the carnage wrought when British General Thomas Gage triggered the American Revolutionary War while attempting to impose gun control on the Colonials. Surveying the burned-out buildings, bloody lanes, shot-pocked walls, and bodies awaiting burial, he remarked:

If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.

Now is not a time for those whom Thomas Paine labeled “sunshine patriots.” The republic will stand or fall based upon whether its citizens choose to defend the Constitution. Let us pray that all Americans realize the stakes in play, and act with calm restraint.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; firearms; guncontrol; guns; militia; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/21/2012 5:33:12 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
A young and healthy body, a gun you like and can shoot accurately, lots of practice and practical excersizes and I figure .. you're good t'go.

I learned a long time ago .. the toys are nice but, he who dies with the most toys ... still dies.

2 posted on 12/21/2012 5:36:12 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: SeekAndFind
The will to do what needs to be done
3 posted on 12/21/2012 5:40:25 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: SeekAndFind
A good place to start

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/

All the basic training and load-out info.

4 posted on 12/21/2012 5:41:55 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: SeekAndFind

The Militia Act of 1792, Passed May 8, 1792, providing federal standards for the organization of the Militia.

An ACT more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States.

I. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia, by the Captain or Commanding Officer of the company, within whose bounds such citizen shall reside, and that within twelve months after the passing of this Act. And it shall at all time hereafter be the duty of every such Captain or Commanding Officer of a company, to enroll every such citizen as aforesaid, and also those who shall, from time to time, arrive at the age of 18 years, or being at the age of 18 years, and under the age of 45 years (except as before excepted) shall come to reside within his bounds; and shall without delay notify such citizen of the said enrollment, by the proper non-commissioned Officer of the company, by whom such notice may be proved. That every citizen, so enrolled and notified, shall, within six months thereafter, provide himself with a good musket or firelock, a sufficient bayonet and belt, two spare flints, and a knapsack, a pouch, with a box therein, to contain not less than twenty four cartridges, suited to the bore of his musket or firelock, each cartridge to contain a proper quantity of powder and ball; or with a good rifle, knapsack, shot-pouch, and powder-horn, twenty balls suited to the bore of his rifle, and a quarter of a pound of powder; and shall appear so armed, accoutred and provided, when called out to exercise or into service, except, that when called out on company days to exercise only, he may appear without a knapsack. That the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon; and that from and after five years from the passing of this Act, all muskets from arming the militia as is herein required, shall be of bores sufficient for balls of the eighteenth part of a pound; and every citizen so enrolled, and providing himself with the arms, ammunition and accoutrements, required as aforesaid, shall hold the same exempted from all suits, distresses, executions or sales, for debt or for the payment of taxes.


5 posted on 12/21/2012 5:42:09 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: SeekAndFind

IMHO the Kenyan is going to have to settle for banning high capacity magazines by executive order. (until it goes to the SCOTUS) He will not get an assault rifle ban. So stock up on mags.


6 posted on 12/21/2012 5:46:20 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Since the militia is essentially all able bodied men, then it is the responsibility of the nanny state government to supply the militia with appropriate weapons. I am interested in a left handed AR type rifle. I am entitled to it. The government needs to buy one for me. That is the kind of argument that will make some leftie heads explode.


7 posted on 12/21/2012 5:48:01 AM PST by yawningotter
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To: Georgia Girl 2
IMHO the Kenyan is going to have to settle for banning high capacity magazines by executive order. (until it goes to the SCOTUS) He will not get an assault rifle ban. So stock up on mags.

If you don't have them (mag's. or ammo) by now you are probably $#!t - out of luck as most every dealers online are sold out.

8 posted on 12/21/2012 5:52:07 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: SeekAndFind

After watching that somewhat stupid remake of red dawn I was wondering just indeed what would be a “better” weapon than the AR15. If it was all that I could get I would use it but if I had a choice I would immediately use something else.

Probably what the enemy uses first, then if I could then I would get above using the .223 and go to a 6.8 at least.


9 posted on 12/21/2012 5:57:12 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: scripter

ping


10 posted on 12/21/2012 5:57:55 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: Eye of Unk
Probably what the enemy uses first, then if I could then I would get above using the .223 and go to a 6.8 at least.

As with the liberator (single shot) .45 pistol of WWII ,use what you have on hand until you can get something better

11 posted on 12/21/2012 6:02:57 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: SeekAndFind
My wife and I have plenty of firepower to protect ourselves and our home from garden variety scum.

I don't intend to shell out ever higher prices for semi-auto wanna-be look alike weapons for a need that "might" materialize.

If my Gubbmint goes that crazy I will get the real deal off the bodies of traitorous scum that stand with the Marxist, Mooslim, Kenyan, Steaming pantload.

12 posted on 12/21/2012 6:07:13 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I look for an executive ban on shipping mags and ammunition across state lines. That's about all he can do with his hincky little pen, and he may not even do that. Gun control is still the third rail of American politics, and a lot of red-state Dems are staring an off-year election in the face.

Then again, we may hope for the best but prepare for the worst. Everyone is nattering about using 3D printing to make guns. Has anyone considered using it to make mags? Seems like a much easier task. The only part you'd have to buy is the spring. Furthermore, keep this in mind: in an actual hot situation, the only real purpose of your civilian firearm is to procure a military firearm.

13 posted on 12/21/2012 6:10:44 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: Eye of Unk

The Springfield Socom 16 M1A is not a bad choice in .308!The Tactical Mini 14 is also accurate as hell and a hoot to shoot in .223 or 5.56 Nato.


14 posted on 12/21/2012 6:18:25 AM PST by Renegade
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To: SeekAndFind

Whatever firearms you have....stockpile ammo. if you have 100 guns and they cut off access to ammo...then what?


15 posted on 12/21/2012 6:24:09 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: Renegade

I lost a pair of Ar15’s, one standard the other a flat top with a red dot scope on it AND a SA M1A standard on a customized fiberglass and carbon fiber modded stock to a boating accident.


16 posted on 12/21/2012 6:24:49 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: yawningotter
Since the militia is essentially all able bodied men, then it is the responsibility of the nanny state government to supply the militia with appropriate weapons. I am interested in a left handed AR type rifle. I am entitled to it. The government needs to buy one for me. That is the kind of argument that will make some leftie heads explode.

The use of the word "regulated" back in the 18th century primarily meant "well trained in the use of so as to be standardized", not meant in control BY THE GOVT.

17 posted on 12/21/2012 6:26:04 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks for posting this... Here is a link to the YouTube video of the McMinn County War (The Battle of Athens).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSX_dhB-XBk


18 posted on 12/21/2012 6:31:20 AM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Renegade
The Springfield Socom 16 M1A is not a bad choice in .308!The Tactical Mini 14 is also accurate as hell and a hoot to shoot in .223 or 5.56 Nato.

I promise you my 870 express with my dialed in scope using a sabot slut 3" shell at 100 yards can hit in a 1 foot circle every shot. Done it. Shoulder hurts after number 5.

19 posted on 12/21/2012 6:32:52 AM PST by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: yawningotter
I am interested in a left handed AR type rifle.

I'm interested as well. There's a video, 5 Guns to Buy Before the Ban, that offers advice on choice of AR. They recommend the S&W M&P 15 and they also advise stocking up on magazines because "Dear Leader" will most likely ban the 30 round magazines. I checked out the S&W website and the M&P 15 Sport model is priced at $739 and the 30 round magazine for it is $29.95.

20 posted on 12/21/2012 6:36:02 AM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com/forums)
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To: USCG SimTech

I have thought about the replacement stock with the piston damper, or if you want just simple Brownells has options including drilling into the stock and placing damping cylinders. Got me an old Remington Model 11 that I restored, its adjusted for slugs, I can shoot it all day long, but I use a sorbothane pad on it.


21 posted on 12/21/2012 6:37:47 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: USCG SimTech

I’ve heard those things can produce some suprisingly tight groups if you use a rifled choke.


22 posted on 12/21/2012 6:38:01 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

You can get into a world of hurt using the wrong choke and some slugs FRiend, research first.


23 posted on 12/21/2012 6:39:55 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: jboot

“in an actual hot situation, the only real purpose of your civilian firearm is to procure a military firearm. “

Yeh, a military firearm, only dropped one time. :-)


24 posted on 12/21/2012 6:43:29 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The only weapon capable of holding back, overthrowing, or negotiating with the us government is a nuclear bomb.
All other weapons are limited to home defense.


25 posted on 12/21/2012 6:44:02 AM PST by Morris70
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To: Eye of Unk

Understood. This was with a rifled choke tube intended specifically for sabot slugs.


26 posted on 12/21/2012 6:44:41 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

A slug is a devastating projectile against barriers or through sheet metal and even some body armor.

The Box of Truth website did a lot or work on just how well some slugs did.

A tactical shotgun I think is high on the list for a modern militia. Especially when you can get taser slugs, breacher slugs and all kinds of loads from bird to buck shot. It can fire flares as well.


27 posted on 12/21/2012 6:51:36 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: SeekAndFind
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28 posted on 12/21/2012 6:56:05 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: SeekAndFind

http://twitter.com/PantherAR15/status/282031775746781185/photo/1


29 posted on 12/21/2012 7:00:45 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Eye of Unk
A tactical shotgun I think is high on the list for a modern militia. Especially when you can get taser slugs, breacher slugs and all kinds of loads from bird to buck shot. It can fire flares as well.

I used to get what he called "shellcrackers" from a conservation agent that lived down the road from where I grew up. There were 12ga loads that basically consisted of an M80 with a mercury compression fuse, and enough powder to throw it about 50 yards before it went off. I think commercially they're called "bird bombs". He'd bring a few boxes home with him every 4th of July and we'd sit in lawn chairs in his back yard firing them off. They were fun, but they left a mess in your barrel.

30 posted on 12/21/2012 7:00:58 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Eye of Unk
I lost a pair of Ar15’s, one standard the other a flat top with a red dot scope on it AND a SA M1A standard on a customized fiberglass and carbon fiber modded stock to a boating accident.

I beat mine into plowshares....psst.. What's a plowshare?

31 posted on 12/21/2012 7:42:51 AM PST by Starstruck (Washinton is presently building a diving board on the fiscal cliff)
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To: BuffaloJack
...that the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon.

I would like an espontoon.

An espanisive pontoon spitoon spoon. Camp boat spit eat. I think.

32 posted on 12/21/2012 7:49:23 AM PST by heartwood
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To: SeekAndFind

The guy has a pretty crappy aim though.


33 posted on 12/21/2012 7:55:32 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: SeekAndFind

Right now prices on magazines are going through the roof. My dad had ten M1 carbine mags in his cart at CheaperThanDirt. There were there a couple of weeks before Sandy Hook. The original price was $8 each. When he went to check out the other day they had jumped to $20. I’ll bet any so-called assault rifle’s price will have increased a lot too.


34 posted on 12/21/2012 7:56:26 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When the Consitiution was written, the weaponry considered for the 2nd amendment would have been whatever was suitable to confront an army. It had nothing to do with hunting. Hunting was incidental.


35 posted on 12/21/2012 8:01:42 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Damn! I was taking mine across the lake in my kayak and got overturned by a huge beaver.Still have the Gamo Whisper however!


36 posted on 12/21/2012 8:01:49 AM PST by Renegade
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To: heartwood

>> ...that the commissioned Officers shall severally be armed with a sword or hanger, and espontoon.
> I would like an espontoon.
> An espanisive pontoon spitoon spoon. Camp boat spit eat. I think.

An espontoon is a spear.


37 posted on 12/21/2012 8:06:00 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: rochester_veteran

Mags: www.44mag.com


38 posted on 12/21/2012 8:23:45 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: USCG SimTech
I promise you my 870 express with my dialed in scope using a sabot slut 3" shell at 100 yards can hit in a 1 foot circle every shot. Done it. Shoulder hurts after number 5.

Yeah, them sluts 'll really do a number on ya.
39 posted on 12/21/2012 8:25:27 AM PST by crosshairs (It's all about good vs evil. In the end, evil is destroyed.)
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To: Morris70
The only weapon capable of holding back, overthrowing, or negotiating with the us government is a nuclear bomb.

Or chemical weapons. Dictators like those.
40 posted on 12/21/2012 8:28:47 AM PST by crosshairs (It's all about good vs evil. In the end, evil is destroyed.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Today there is no better weapon for a US civilian contemplating a SHTF scenario than an AR-15. While the round may have limited lethality and range what you get with the AR-15 is interchangeability with the tens of millions of military 5.56 mm NATO ammo and M4 magazines. Any US soldier and most police can be a source of ammo and magazines to you.


41 posted on 12/21/2012 8:36:47 AM PST by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: BuffaloJack

And a rather ornamental one at that.


42 posted on 12/21/2012 8:37:35 AM PST by heartwood
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To: CodeToad

Many thanks, CodeToad!


43 posted on 12/21/2012 10:09:07 AM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com/forums)
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To: crosshairs
Yeah, them sluts 'll really do a number on ya.

MILFs cause less recoil.....

44 posted on 12/21/2012 10:17:35 AM PST by papertyger
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