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A 'what if' gun-seizure scenario
WND ^ | December 20, 2012 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 12/21/2012 7:18:13 AM PST by Perseverando

Exclusive: Joseph Farah warns, 'Something very bad for America is coming'

(Editor’s note: The following commentary by Joseph Farah is a hypothetical scenario, but one all-too-believable given the anti-gun hysteria in the media and here in the nation’s capital. It is offered in the spirit of what former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emmanuel once said: “Never let a good crisis go to waste.”)

WASHINGTON – President Obama today issued a sweeping executive order banning the manufacture, sale and possession of all semi-automatic firearms in the U.S.

Obama cited for his authority for the action a national state of emergency that has been in effect ever since Sept. 11, 2001, and renewed annually by both President George W. Bush and Obama ever since. He also cited portions of the Patriot Act that suspend certain civil rights that remain classified.

The dramatic action by the president follows closely on the heels of the Newtown, Conn., massacre of 27 schoolchildren and teachers by Adam Lanza a week ago.

Gun-control advocates have been pushing for tighter gun control ever since the attack on the Sandy Hook Elementary School, the fourth mass shooting in the U.S. in 2012.

Yet the action was surprising because Obama vowed to present a detailed plan of action in January after naming Vice President Joe Biden to head a blue-ribbon panel including Cabinet members, law enforcement officials and various agencies of the government. Biden convened the first meeting of the panel only yesterday.

That’s how quickly it could happen.

That’s how liberty could be lost in America in one day.

For many, today was the day the world was supposed to end, according to the Mayan calendar and other ancient documents.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
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1 posted on 12/21/2012 7:18:24 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando
a sweeping executive order banning the manufacture, sale and possession of all semi-automatic firearms in the U.S.

LOL! Good luck with that. They'll want to pack a lunch, this might take a while.

/johnny

2 posted on 12/21/2012 7:20:51 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Perseverando
You know, there are plenty of steps to take after a gun ban, but before we have a "hot" civil war. Many acts of protest, breaking the statist's things and equipment, sending messages of resistance, rallying the public to our cause. Lots of things.

But if it comes down to, as Claire Wolfe put it, "shooting the bastards", well, let's just say I ain't planning to turn my guns in.

3 posted on 12/21/2012 7:21:37 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: Perseverando

I’ll go out with a bang...


4 posted on 12/21/2012 7:22:02 AM PST by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ya, they’d be getting in over their heads; but they have been living in fantasy land for too long anyway.


5 posted on 12/21/2012 7:23:41 AM PST by Eska
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To: Perseverando

Maybe it’s obama’s radical plan to reduce the size of government. It’s so stupid, it just might work!


6 posted on 12/21/2012 7:23:51 AM PST by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Perseverando

Then it won’t be time to bury any, but dig them up if you need to, clean, oil them, and make sure they are working properly...and start stuffing tin boxes...


7 posted on 12/21/2012 7:24:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Flag_This

“Shovel ready jobs...”


8 posted on 12/21/2012 7:25:45 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Perseverando

It is a common tagline on many different boards, and not just ‘gun boards’, that states:
“when they come to take your guns, give them to them .... ammunition first!”

I believe you will see a sale of all sorts of ‘wheelguns’, and their sort of ammunition.

“Hand a liberal an empty magazine, a revolver, a box of shells for the magazine, and tell them, “to go have some fun!”


9 posted on 12/21/2012 7:27:55 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: All

I chose to outfit myself in calibers consistent with my adversaries. The way I see it they are there to supply me with an endless supply of ammo.

Your move fascists...


10 posted on 12/21/2012 7:29:50 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Perseverando

The key here, as always with the left, is not whether they could be successful, but will they think they could be successful?

Wars are started because one side underestimates the resolve of the other and crosses the line. IMO that is what would happen with an EO gun ban. I don’t think they realize the potential consequences of doing that. Which is what makes the situation so dangerous.


11 posted on 12/21/2012 7:29:56 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Perseverando

If they were at my door at the moment of the announcement, they might have the advantage, due to my temporarily disabling laugh attack.


12 posted on 12/21/2012 7:32:03 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Perseverando

You’ll turn in your guns, if you’re hungry enough.


13 posted on 12/21/2012 7:34:23 AM PST by lurk
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To: Perseverando

Would it be okay if I turned in all my ammo first, one round at a time?


14 posted on 12/21/2012 7:37:08 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I have always thought the same about the end when satan attacks God. Surely he does not believe he can win?


15 posted on 12/21/2012 7:37:59 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: lurk

>> You’ll turn in your guns, if you’re hungry enough.

How do you envision that they’ll make those of us in the country “hungry enough”?


16 posted on 12/21/2012 7:39:25 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Perseverando

This won’t happen, but if it DID happen, it would be interesting to see how the Feds would enforce it in (say) Texas. Or Oklahoma. Or North Dakota. Or Wyoming.


17 posted on 12/21/2012 7:41:14 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

The left has a powerful ˜group-think going - they’ve built a consensus around their passion - as if the intensity of beliefs was somehow connected to the truth of those beliefs. We have to learn to talk to them in the irrational ways of their thinking...


18 posted on 12/21/2012 7:42:30 AM PST by GOPJ (Detroit should be renamed 'Michael Mooresville'...)
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To: lurk
You’ll turn in your guns, if you’re hungry enough.

Don't accept the Mark of the Beast for that reason.
19 posted on 12/21/2012 7:43:52 AM PST by crosshairs (It's all about good vs evil. In the end, evil is destroyed.)
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To: lurk
"They" Have to go home,

"They" have to eat

"They" have to sleep

"They" have to drive around, just like their serfs.

20 posted on 12/21/2012 7:44:12 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Another keyboard - RUINED by coffee !

On topic - This sort of declaration will have fallout in other areas that need to be addressed.

A run on the banks : Right now, even a perceived run on the banks will lock the banking institutions tight.

The hiding of weapons : there is a saying out lately. “If you’re thinking of prepping, you’re too late”. You get the drift. There is a MESS of paperwork out there right now in relations to the ownership of guns. The government HAS been keeping records, but those records are so destroyed that it’s data confidence is ruined. So when “they” show up at the door, and ask for a few certain pieces that may be sold (legitimately) or traded in, they won’t find them ! And what does that mean ? What’s next ?

The US will deploy drones, en masse : Many people are waiting for the government to “pull the trigger” on such a law. From that point, they will clear out their safes and hide them throughout the wilderness. I guarantee the deployment of Drones to detect such things. I guarantee those drones are in the sky _right now_.

Neighbor reward plans : People WILL be offered incentive to point out, or turn in suspects believed to have contraband.

Gun store intimidation : The stores will be raided for their paperwork. That is WHY the government has asked THE STORES THEMSELVES to hold that paperwork. Whenever the government involves a private responsibility, under penalty of prison, they are doing so to maintain perfect records. If the store does not present such records, the owner will be imprisoned immediately. Once the owner DOES offer records, the owner himself will be “questioned” and “Investigated” to produce all firearms in their possession as well. What we’re looking at is the immediate criminalization of all weapon owners. This means now.

The turn-in : For those willing to turn anything in, they must remember that the ownership has been declared “Illegal” before the time of gun turn-in. This is like being a drug dealer showing up at the police department and turning in your stash. You aren’t going home that night, no sir.

And I have to interject : A bit of tin foilery - I do NOT believe that the latest shootings are haphazard. I have reason to believe they are orchestrated. I have a VERY good reason to believe this. When the government does declare weapons “Illegal” there WILL be shooting in the streets. But it won’t be any of us doing it. It will be continuation of the orchestrated events that we have been seeing up until now.

I want you to think about something, and this something is all I’m willing to say : During the event in Newtown, police reported a “Red or burgundy vehicle with a blown out rear window - New Jersey plates” and then reported 3 people “of interest”. An active crime scene for an extended time. Ryan Lanza is pinpointed as the shooter, and it is reported (Before 10:30 am) that his girlfriend and friend have gone missing in New Jersey. 3 people identified at Sandy Hook scene.

The shooter was “supposed to be” Ryan.

There are psy-ops currently in place to make the world CHEER the detaining and ultimately “Dealing with” us. These psy-ops are meant to win over the mass public. We are meant to go down. They will be designed to cheer.

Keep your heads about you, and god bless !


21 posted on 12/21/2012 7:45:35 AM PST by Celerity
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To: Perseverando

Congress should immediately move to pass sweeping legislation that makes the use and possession of “moveable type” presses and any other document producing equipment.


22 posted on 12/21/2012 7:45:45 AM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Bread and Circuses; Everyone to the Coliseum!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

The Constitution of the US is a covenant between we the people and the government. We agree to live under the law and the government agrees to uphold the constitution.

If the government suspends the constitution, then we are no longer obligated to support that government. At that point all bets are off. Do our leaders really want to deal with a people that are no longer committed to obey the law?


23 posted on 12/21/2012 7:46:01 AM PST by jimbobfoster
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To: Nervous Tick
This won’t happen, but if it DID happen, it would be interesting to see how the Feds would enforce it in (say) Texas. Or Oklahoma. Or North Dakota. Or Wyoming.

Now see, you flew right over Kansas without acknowledgement. I'm sure we're all in, except for Lawrence.
24 posted on 12/21/2012 7:46:46 AM PST by crosshairs (It's all about good vs evil. In the end, evil is destroyed.)
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To: Perseverando

There is the little problem of “enforcement”.

1 - Many weapons have NO traceability.

2 - Many places don’t have “registration”, and would have to use ILLEGAL methods of tracing, via background check paperwork.

3 - Who is going to come and get the ones not turned in voluntarily?


25 posted on 12/21/2012 7:47:17 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Terry L Smith
“Hand a liberal an empty magazine, a revolver, a box of shells for the magazine, and tell them, “to go have some fun!”

I wonder how long it would take them to realize that shells don't go into "magazines" (unless it's a rare mag-fed shotgun) and magazines don't go into revolvers.

26 posted on 12/21/2012 7:48:02 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Perseverando

How many of you are willing to fight a SWAT team? Has a drone taken radar pictures of your home, and show where every gun is? Think it out people, and don’t become a sheeple.


27 posted on 12/21/2012 7:48:04 AM PST by Rannug ("God has given it to me, let him who touches it beware.")
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To: lurk
You’ll turn in your guns, if you’re hungry enough.

Very true. And we know from history how much communists love using starvation to control the populace!


28 posted on 12/21/2012 7:49:01 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: lurk

How stupid are you?

First, “they” don’t know where half of them are.

There are boat loads not “registered” or required to be “registered”.

Signing background check paperwork IS NOT “registration”.

Private sales, family gifts, theft, and loss, are NOT reportable transactions.


29 posted on 12/21/2012 7:51:59 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Perseverando; JRandomFreeper; backwoods-engineer; maddog55; Eska; Flag_This; Smokin' Joe
The left has a group-think going - they've built a consensus around their passion - as if the intensity of beliefs was connected to the truth of those beliefs. We have to learn to talk to them in the irrational ways of their thought processes...

The left would love us to attempt force to their force... trust me, they hate us that much. Traditional Americans are the enemy of the left. Leftists know taking guns from citizens won't make a difference. That's not their goal. A gun grab won't 'protect the children'. They know that - we know that... Too bad their trolls don't know ...

30 posted on 12/21/2012 7:52:05 AM PST by GOPJ (Detroit should be renamed 'Michael Mooresville'...)
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To: Nervous Tick

“How do you envision that they’ll make those of us in the country “hungry enough”?”

Well, those who are well prepared have no immediate food issues. All the Feds need to do is cut off the Golden Hordes’ EBT cards and turn them loose on us.

Then the gun-grabbers can pick off any hold-outs/survivors...

We could conveniently rid the country of most of the taker-useful idiots for them...BUT, DHS/USPS/Etc didn’t buy all those hollowpoints for fighting Al Qaeda.... And I suspect they won’t be using them on their surviving voting bloc.

Helpful hint of the day: If you’re going to have a boating accident soon, make sure you didn’t purchase Cosmoline with a credit card. Just sayin’....


31 posted on 12/21/2012 7:52:52 AM PST by LadyBuck (I've read so much about the evils of drinking & smoking that I've given up reading.)
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To: Perseverando
It could happen, but if we follow what Obama has been doing I think it will play out more like this. I really don't think the dems really care about firearms they want to expand government any was they can and the most effective way is through taxes.

So if you want a high capacity magazine you will be able to buy one only there will be a $100 dollar federal tax on it the same for firearms. They could also require a federal license to own firearms. You can bet it will cost thousands of dollars and will have to be renewed every year.

Thanks the the Supreme Court ruling under Obamacare, the federal government now has unlimited authority so long as they call it a tax.

The dems will say that the “fees” collected will go to improving federal mental health programs. Its for the children you know.

The Republicans are walking into another trap.

32 posted on 12/21/2012 7:54:42 AM PST by usurper (Liberals GET OFF MY LAWN)
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To: LadyBuck
We could conveniently rid the country of most of the taker-useful idiots for them...BUT, DHS/USPS/Etc didn’t buy all those hollowpoints for fighting Al Qaeda.... And I suspect they won’t be using them on their surviving voting bloc.

All they have to do is get through a hail of .30 coming at them from 100+ yards away to get close enough to use them.

33 posted on 12/21/2012 7:55:34 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Rannug
Has a drone taken radar pictures of your home, and show where every gun is?

If so, I wish they would share the data, because I can't keep track of them all.

How many SWAT teams are there? Because there are 80 million or more firearm owners out here in flyover country. I don't expect many will just sit around waiting for their turn.

BTW, those all-powerful SWAT teams? Don't they have to eat? I'd skip the peach cobbler at the dining hall, if I were you.

/johnny

34 posted on 12/21/2012 7:56:13 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: LadyBuck

BTW, can anyone help me out on the Newtown shooting and the “assault weapons” ban discussion? Wasn’t the AR-15 found in the trunk of Lanza’s car and not in the school? Anyone have a link to an article?


35 posted on 12/21/2012 7:57:29 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando
Confiscating guns would be like sending people into bear caves to remove claws. It could be done, but it would be one ugly mess. I've spent some time with a holocaust survivor and I have listened intently to every word she said about how her rights were taken slowly one at a time. Even as she was walking to the trains with her family, she trusted the Polish government was moving them "for their own safety".

Anyway, I just don't think Americans will be falling for that any time soon. I can't imagine my neighbors hiding their guns away or peacefully disarming. I can imagine them recreating the Alamo redneck style though.

36 posted on 12/21/2012 7:58:12 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: Perseverando
I see Enemies, Foreign and Domestic playing out...
37 posted on 12/21/2012 7:58:43 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: G Larry
3 - Who is going to come and get the ones not turned in voluntarily?

“And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”

― Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

38 posted on 12/21/2012 7:59:19 AM PST by papertyger
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To: Perseverando

Interesting - I think WND is wrong on the national state of emergency.

I think the office of the president, through executive orders has maintained a continuous official state of emergency in the United States since @1934.

The last time I researched this in detail, under Clinton that was the case (a long standing state of emergency).

Bush continued the practice, but changed the publication/announcement procedures slightly.

The question, that I have never answered to my satisfaction, is “what actions are enabled by the government when there is a declared national emergency, and which ones are currently taking place?”


39 posted on 12/21/2012 8:00:56 AM PST by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: Perseverando

The NRA is to make a statement today in which they will propose “meaningful concessions”.


40 posted on 12/21/2012 8:00:56 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: G Larry
Private sales, family gifts, theft, and loss, are NOT reportable transactions.

I think that is where they will actually start.

41 posted on 12/21/2012 8:03:52 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: Nervous Tick
This won’t happen, but if it DID happen, it would be interesting to see how the Feds would enforce it in (say) Texas. Or Oklahoma. Or North Dakota. Or Wyoming.

I'm sure it would be implemented as a period of time that citizens had to turn in their weapons, after which very high penalties would be imposed for possession.

They wouldn't assume 100% compliance, they would just be happy with the 75% compliance they did get and the knowledge that the other weapons would be collected (and owners punished) over time.

It would all be very low key.

42 posted on 12/21/2012 8:07:01 AM PST by The Duke
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

A liberals mind set, a box of shells = something to eat, a magazine = something to read, revolver= a beatles album, yeah “MAN” get out the MarYjaNe aNd tuRn uP tHe voLUme, grOovY man where’s mY FloWers, poWer to tHe pEoPle, liKe my tyE dYe sHirt? This is your brain, this is your brain on drugs.


43 posted on 12/21/2012 8:07:36 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Being Breitbart)
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To: Perseverando
President Obama today issued a sweeping executive order banning the manufacture, sale and possession of all semi-automatic firearms in the U.S.

At that point, even a small group of Congressmen can have a great effect by going on TV and declaring such an action absolutely invalid, and that law enforcement and military, and especially citizens, should ignore this so-called "order."

Would it cause a Constitutional crisis? For sure.

A civil war? See how far Obama wants to take it.

44 posted on 12/21/2012 8:08:22 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Nervous Tick

How do I envision people getting hungry?

Selective use of the electrical grid. Crops are watered by electric pumps. Food is processed using electricity.


45 posted on 12/21/2012 8:09:15 AM PST by lurk
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To: Perseverando

How about a serious conversation?

There are far too many guns to confiscate. Perhaps 20% to 30% of the population might turn them in but that’s about it. As some have pointed out there are far too many that are untraceable. Most cops I know wouldn’t follow through on such an order. Active confiscation would result in a hot mini-civil war. I say mini because I believe most Americans don’t have the backbone to defend their Constitution or rights and would just roll over.

So how could the government try to eliminate, reduce and or control gun ownership?

1. Ban certain types of ammunition Ex: .223 & 7.62

2. Ban all future sale and transfers of all “assault weapons” and their related parts

3. Review all recent background checks over the previous years and withhold income tax returns until those individuals turn in or register their AR’s & AK’s

4. Enforce EU style registration for all firearms

5. Prohibit gun ownership for a laundry list of reasons including misdemeanors

These are very plausible methods FRiends and don’t think Boehner or the SCOTUS will save you because they’ve proven they won’t.


46 posted on 12/21/2012 8:10:16 AM PST by TSgt (...voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.)
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To: usurper
Thanks to the the Supreme Court ruling under Obamacare, the federal government now has unlimited authority so long as they call it a tax.

So if you want a high capacity magazine you will be able to buy one only there will be a $100 dollar federal tax on it. They could also require a federal license to own firearms. You can bet it will cost thousands of dollars and will have to be renewed every year.

The dems will say that the “fees” collected will go to improving federal mental health programs. Its for the children you know.

Theres the plan. Its not a messy physical gun grab. Its about growing government and taxing taxing taxing taxing us to death.

47 posted on 12/21/2012 8:11:30 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: TangoLimaSierra

Did you think about that, before typing?

If they wrote that stupidity today, how would it be enforced?

How many items in my collection were obtained in an untraceable manner?


48 posted on 12/21/2012 8:11:36 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Nervous Tick; lurk

With the almost cashless world we live in - leftist could cancel our banking and credit card access. It would still be difficult for them - but in the near future, it’ll be easy...l


49 posted on 12/21/2012 8:13:52 AM PST by GOPJ (Detroit should be renamed 'Michael Mooresville'...)
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To: All

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/12/21/live-blog-nra-press-conference/

live


50 posted on 12/21/2012 8:14:21 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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