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Just Ban Guns - Yeah! That'll Work!
12/21/12 | rusty schucklefurd

Posted on 12/21/2012 7:40:32 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd

All the liberals want to ban guns as the solution to the horrible "assualt weapons" massacres we've seen in the last few years. Exactly how would that work? Would it work?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; guncontrol; gunrights; secondamendment; vanity
All the liberals want to ban guns as the solution to the horrible "assualt weapons" massacres we've seen in the last few years. Exactly how would that work? Would it work?

Of course, common sense would tell us that banning guns would NOT solve the problem. We've had some attempts by the federal government in our recent past that have demonstrated how well such a "ban" works.

For example - Prohibition! How many times are we told that Prohibition did not work. It was a Constitutional amendment and it was a nation-wide ban on the production and selling of alcohol as a beverage. And yet, in spite of the ban, alcohol was readlily available just about everywhere. You just had to know where to go to get it.

Another ongoing "ban" are illegal drugs, the so-called "war on drugs", right?

Please do not misunderstand, I'm not advocating removing restrictions on the sale of illegal drugs. I'm not a libertarian. But, the obvious problem with banning something is that, as everyone on this site has pointed out, it doesn't work! You can always get that item illegally, and, not just in small amounts, but as much as you want if you have the cash.

I just thought these two examples - prohibition and the war on drugs - are obvious illustrations of how federal bans on something the public is willing to pay for are worthless.

Just a thought.

1 posted on 12/21/2012 7:40:40 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd

On the bright side, once they ban guns they really can’t do much more. They have to STFU then, right? For the rest of us, it’ll just make firearms more expensive.

/sarc


2 posted on 12/21/2012 7:48:04 AM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: rusty schucklefurd

What is this doing in News Activism?


3 posted on 12/21/2012 7:49:54 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Better yet just ban crime. Oh, wait....that has already been done. Well then,everything is just fine, what’s all the fuss about?


4 posted on 12/21/2012 7:50:29 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Four more years of destructive non-leadership of America. Pray for our country.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

The argument by the totalitarian statists is that banning guns will make it harder for wackos to kill and therefore bring down the murder rate when in fact banning guns has been proven to do the exact opposite as England has shown us when there murder rate went up 8 fold. But when have totalitarian statists even bothered to pay attention to facts?

What they should do is look at the bright side: If wackos can’t kill by guns, they’ll use gasoline and make molotov cocktails because being burned alive creates smoke which the totalitarian statists can then use to bolster their global warming hoax.


5 posted on 12/21/2012 7:56:46 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: F.J. Mitchell

After guns the a##clowns will be busy banning knives, bats , chainsaws, axes, toenail clippers, scissors, spoons, umbrellas, bottles, cans, and frozen turkeys right down to hurtful hate language.


6 posted on 12/21/2012 7:58:08 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Being Breitbart)
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To: rusty schucklefurd


7 posted on 12/21/2012 7:59:34 AM PST by GloriaJane (Pro Choice = Pro Death - Pro Life = Pro LIFE!)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

I have been in this fight all week about what to ban, what not to ban, rifles are for hunting, body armor is bad, body armor is good, blah blah blah.

What would be the constitutional issue if gun manufacturers included with every weapon sold a trigger lock? It won’t solve the problem, but it does add another layer of security, as minimal as it may be.


8 posted on 12/21/2012 8:01:12 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

I’ve been registered at FR since 1998, and have yet to post a useless vanity thread. Why did you feel the need for a thread to make a comment that is not at all unique, and could have been added to the countless gun-control threads that already exist? Just asking.


9 posted on 12/21/2012 8:03:56 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Banning guns works. Just look at Chicago if you want proof...


10 posted on 12/21/2012 8:05:13 AM PST by GOPJ (Detroit should be renamed 'Michael Mooresville'...)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Not. Their. Job.
Want a trigger lock? Buy one yourself.


11 posted on 12/21/2012 8:09:02 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Lets say a successful ban and peaceful confiscation of all “assault weapons” was carried out... I know, it assumes a lot.

The next time evil presents itself, convinces an unstable, drug influenced rage in someone who decides to take it out on the most innocent and vulnerable that he can think of, it will be potentially worse. A shotgun, sawed off with buckshot, or a Real “high power sniper rifle” 30.06 with a scope used on a playground, ... You get the point. The left will be ready, to take advantage of the crisis, to justify another round of gun control to bring the country in line... But it isn’t the tools or guns. It is the evil.
Evil is evil, and the only way to fight evil is the most obvious way. Not by disarming those who are not evil, or who would fight evil.

What will they try to ban or what liberty will they take from us when the next atrocity is with a bomb, or roadside explosive used on a school bus as in the Middle East?

When will people understand it isn’t the law abiding citizen we need to change, regulate, restrict and deny rights to?

And when will the left in this country stop denying that evil is real, and it is not in the form of an inanimate object but in the nature of one’s soul?


12 posted on 12/21/2012 8:09:56 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

13 posted on 12/21/2012 8:19:14 AM PST by Baynative
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To: rusty schucklefurd
I'm not advocating removing restrictions on the sale of illegal drugs. I'm not a libertarian. But, the obvious problem with banning something is that, as everyone on this site has pointed out, it doesn't work!

So you advocate continuing a policy that doesn't work?

14 posted on 12/21/2012 8:23:26 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: ronnie raygun
re: After guns the a##clowns will be busy banning knives, bats , chainsaws, axes, toenail clippers, scissors, spoons, umbrellas, bottles, cans, and frozen turkeys right down to hurtful hate language.

Well, I think we really should consider legislation to get rid of rocks. You can do serious damage with them. And they are far too readily available. Some irresponsible people even have them in their yards.

15 posted on 12/21/2012 8:25:38 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: EQAndyBuzz; All

“What would be the constitutional issue if gun manufacturers included with every weapon sold a trigger lock?”

I bought a handgun months ago and a big lock was included. That lock is still in the box and the gun is NOT in the box.


16 posted on 12/21/2012 8:37:20 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Galt is freedom.)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

They could make it illegal to shoot kids on school property.


17 posted on 12/21/2012 8:41:28 AM PST by marron
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To: Navy Patriot

re: “What is this doing in News Activism?”

I thought this was the forum where we discussed current news and events of the day? If I’m mistaken, sorry about that. Which forum should I have posted this in?


18 posted on 12/21/2012 9:04:47 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd

All this would do is end up with a lot of dead cops and American Patriots. Me being one. I will never go down without a fight.


19 posted on 12/21/2012 9:06:54 AM PST by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

The one thing about guns that Hollywood has gotten right is that criminals can get any gun they want in any amount they want.


20 posted on 12/21/2012 9:09:53 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: Sans-Culotte

re: “I’ve been registered at FR since 1998, and have yet to post a useless vanity thread. Why did you feel the need for a thread to make a comment that is not at all unique, and could have been added to the countless gun-control threads that already exist? Just asking.”

Since my post has been pre-judged by you as being “useless”, what can I say that would effectively answer your question?

I guess I thought having two easy examples of federal attempts at banning something, attempts that everyone is familiar with - even liberals, would be two easy refutations to the “low information” voters. Yes, I know these two examples are kind of “Captain Obvious”, but even these two examples should be (I know that is a big assumption) familar with Obama voters.

If I offended you, well, sorry I upset you.


21 posted on 12/21/2012 9:11:59 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd
If I offended you, well, sorry I upset you.

Oh, I'm not offended or upset. I was just curious. Most vanities at FR are like yours. They usually are as I described yours - basically a comment that could be added to an existing thread. Generally, if I want to comment on something, I scan the articles and look for an appropriate thread. Threads on Newtown/gun banning are legion here. If I make my comment on such a thread, and no one reads it or responds, that's no big deal, since we are all saying essentially the same thing on this subject.

22 posted on 12/21/2012 9:19:31 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Then they better ban machine shops too. Any decent machine shop using easily available materials can manufacture a crude but effective small arm from scratch. If they have the right equipment and put time and effort into it, they can fabricate a fairly advanced weapon capable of fully automatic cycling.

Ammunition too can be fabricated with the right equipment. Of course making the higher velocity smokeless propellant needed for automatic weapons is a bit more difficult but decent low velocity (it still will kill you) black powder can be made by any kid using easily obtainable supplies and will work in a single shot or properly designed semi automatic weapon.

Firearms technology is hundreds of years old. Fabricating a simple but lethal firearm and ammunition is not nuclear science


23 posted on 12/21/2012 9:25:33 AM PST by XRdsRev (New Jersey - Crossroads of the American Revolution)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

Yes yes, save the children! Let’s talk about SAVE THE CHILDREN for a moment. All this week I’ve heard the question spouted again and again by morons, “why does anyone NEED a high capacity magazine with all those bullets?”. Not once have I heard anyone intellegent respond with “Ask a Syrian!”.

The current civil war in Syria started when the local police violated two young boys right to free speech. They were suspected of spray painting anti-regime slogans. They were taken into custody against their rights, did not recieve a trial that was within their rights, and they were beaten to death against their rights. When the population excorcised their rights to free speech by protesting this travesty they were gunned down against their rights.

THIS IS WHY I NEED A HIGH CAPACITY MAGAZINE AND A SPOOKY MILITARY TYPE RIFLE! Don’t tell me I’m paranoid! Don’t tell me it “would never happen here”. You don’t get to try to take away my 2nd ammendment rights all while telling me that I don’t have to worry about totalitarianism in my country. I CLEARLY DO!!!


24 posted on 12/21/2012 9:26:49 AM PST by The Toll
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To: rusty schucklefurd

You know, fortunately, making a gun with your fingers and going “kew!kew!kew!” will get a kid suspended, maybe expelled. So that should help.


25 posted on 12/21/2012 9:28:58 AM PST by marron
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To: rusty schucklefurd
Which forum should I have posted this in?

General/Chat, Your original content is not News unless published in news media. If you gave this speech at a public TEA Party event, that would be Activism, but online we have Blogs or Chat.

26 posted on 12/21/2012 9:35:04 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: The Toll
“Ask a Syrian!”

Obama, Chris Stevens, and Clinton are supplying full auto military grade assault weapons to the Syrian "Rebels", but Obama agrees with Assad that the American people should be jailed for thinking about owning the same.

27 posted on 12/21/2012 9:43:16 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
What would be the constitutional issue if gun manufacturers included with every weapon sold a trigger lock?

Have you bought a gun lately? Trigger locks are included with every firearm sold these days thanks to Senator Herb Kohl...

Most are Chinese made junk and wind up getting tossed.

Regards,
GtG

28 posted on 12/21/2012 9:43:33 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Murdered Ambassador = 1st Amendment’s fault!
Murdered Children = 2nd Amendment’s fault!

Clearly the administration sees FREEDOM as the real culprit!


29 posted on 12/21/2012 9:57:04 AM PST by The Toll
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To: rusty schucklefurd

this is a bit different

Gold and guns
Ownership of Each has been and might be banned for the American people. In the case of gold ... it was FDR and he collected all the gold coins, etc. in America. So much came in it was necessary to build Fort Knox. The penalty for anyone not bringing in their gold was 10 years in prison.. Strong inducement. They were given paper money for the valus of the gold. Today that money would be worth 60 cents on the dollar and the gold itself would be worth $8,ooo.oo (as in the case of gold coin)

In other nations that have taken up the guns the penalty for not doing so is severe.

There is a book written 50 or more years ago ... tells about the grandfather that hid his guns buried in a cave ... years later he told his grandson about the location, as the grandfather was getting old, and he wanted his grand son to have protection when needed.

Almost immediately the grandson told the authorities. The government, of course, seized the guns and arrested the grandfather. They also had vehicles that could drive down the street and see everything inside the home so no way to hide guns there. ...

Good book. In this moment the name does not come too me.
Turning out to be true for America it appears.


30 posted on 12/21/2012 10:05:56 AM PST by geologist (" If you love me, keep my commandments" John 14:15)
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To: The Toll
Yes yes, save the children! Let’s talk about SAVE THE CHILDREN for a moment. All this week I’ve heard the question spouted again and again by morons, “why does anyone NEED

As a side note: those are two favorite arguments of War On Drugs supporters. Just sayin' ...

31 posted on 12/21/2012 10:13:15 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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32 posted on 12/21/2012 11:13:43 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: Sans-Culotte

re: “I was just curious. Most vanities at FR are like yours. They usually are as I described yours - basically a comment that could be added to an existing thread.”

I find it curious that someone with such a high intellect as yours finds it academically interesting to spend time putting down someone they feel is wasting everyone else’s time with a post that you’ve judged is “useless”.


33 posted on 12/21/2012 11:19:04 AM PST by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd
It won't do squat if crazy people just steal them.
On a side note the Feds just raided a gunshop where one of the guns from Newtown was bought.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/20/connecticut-shop-where-nancy-lanza-bought-1-of-her-guns-raided-by-feds/

It seems a mentally ill fellow tried to steal a long gun. He was on a 2 yr suspended sentence for theft. He already had stolen 12 guns from the same store!.
http://windsorlocks.patch.com/articles/police-man-stole-weapons-from-east-windsor-gun-shop-because-he-was-being-teased-at-work.

He got caught trying to steal a .50 cal this time.

Something smells big time. 12 guns from same store? Mentally ill and suspended sentence?

Wonder if we are looking at Fast and Furious 2.0, the backup plan.

34 posted on 12/21/2012 11:39:29 AM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Didn’t know. Haven’t bought a gun lately.


35 posted on 12/21/2012 11:44:20 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You can't bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: Polynikes
In further developments the same shop was shy 33 guns back in ‘07. The thief was caught and received a suspended sentence. Unbelievable.
http://www.ctnow.com/news/connecticut/newtown-sandy-hook-school-shooting/hc-east-windsor-gun-shop-1221-20121220,0,285947.story
36 posted on 12/21/2012 11:51:39 AM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Didn’t know. Haven’t bought a gun lately.

Now's the time to stock up before the prices spiral out of sight. Re; trigger locks, a friend of mine worked at Master Lock in Milwaukee as a tool and die maker. He told me about a "little" problem Master Lock had with them.

It seems they sent the specifications, blue prints, and prototype samples along with an order for several hundred thousand locks to China instead of producing them here. After several months the first shipment arrived from their Chinese subsidiary. The samples that were tested failed to work after a few lock/unlock cycles. Further testing found ALL the locks in the shipment to be defective.

It seem the Chinese took it upon themselves to make some changes to the design. They changed the ratchet pawl from heat treated high carbon steel 0.09 thick to mild steel 0.03 thick and dropped the heat treat. Their "cost reduction" cost Master Lock over $1 million as every one of the Chinese made locks were scrapped and they had to scramble to produce replacements in the good 'ol USA!

Regards,
GtG

37 posted on 12/21/2012 1:05:51 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: MtnMan101
LOL!
38 posted on 12/21/2012 1:22:22 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
EQAndyBuzz said: "What would be the constitutional issue if gun manufacturers included with every weapon sold a trigger lock?"

Any mandate from government that gun manufacturers supply anything that the manufacturer and the gun buyer do not voluntarily agree to is what one might call an "infringement"; that is, the additional cost and time spent impairs the right to keep and bear arms.

One might argue that it would be a "small infringement". To that I would agree. But it would be an infringement just the same.

39 posted on 12/21/2012 5:00:08 PM PST by William Tell
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