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Reproduction without sex, a liberating future
Special to CNN ^ | December 20, 2012 | Aarathi Prasad

Posted on 12/21/2012 1:14:01 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o

Last year on the 50th anniversary of the creation of the contraceptive pill its inventor Carl Djerassi spoke of the coming dramatic changes to reproductive options -- of the technologies that will have just as big an impact on society in the 50 years to come.

After sex without reproduction, reproduction without sex.

In an article in the UK's "traditional values" tabloid, the Daily Mail, titled "A Terrifying Future for Female Fertility," Djerassi said, "There are an enormous number of well-educated, proficient women who, when facing the biological clock, first pay attention to their professional ambitions...in the next 20 years, more young people will freeze their eggs and [sperm] in their 20s, and bank them for later use. They will do away with the need for contraception by being sterilised, and withdraw their eggs and sperm from the bank when they are ready to have a child via IVF."

That is certainly one option as we develop greater capabilities to store eggs more reliably and safely so that they are not damaged by the freezing/thawing process meant to preserve them. But in the next 20 years, there could be other developments on their way to the clinic. For example -- also to avert damage -- freezing strips of ovarian tissue instead of eggs, or tapping into recently identified reserves of ovarian stem cells that could be turned into a fresh supply of eggs for a woman, at any age; or even creating to order eggs (or sperm) from skin or bone marrow stem cells of men and women.

Early experiments with mice have shown that both sperm and eggs can be generated from the stem cells of males...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cloning; moralabsolutes; prolife; pseudosex; sciencefair; semihuman
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...and eggs from that of females, and that they can be fertilized to produce viable young.

Djerassi described the idea of being able to access healthy eggs later in life as something set to be a fundamental tool of family planning, and one that will empower women just as the pill has. He talked of female colleagues on tough career trajectories just at the time in their life when they are most fertile, and then on into the years leading into sterility.

It's no coincidence in the decade of our life when we are most biologically capable of reproducing, men and women are also working full steam on their studies or on building their careers. In our 30s, fertility declines - after 35, exponentially so -- and specifically for women. Around age 50, while the rest of our faculties continue functioning beautifully, the ability to reproduce comes to an abrupt stop.

There have recently been a spate of reports and discussions about equality -- the dearth of women in science, on the boards of top companies and of the pay gap that has yet to be bridged, but it is not clear that those taking part in this discussion fully appreciate that in pursuing in parallel the fulfilling goals of education, work and having a family, we are limited by both social and biological barriers.

In achieving the hoped-for 40% of leadership positions being held by women, executive bodies like the European Commission and governments could, for example, legislate interventions like free or cheap childcare in all workplaces.

However, only technology can tackle the biological brick wall of menopause, with all its detrimental effects on a woman's health, and especially at a time when she is likely to live another 50 years in this condition.

In the quest for reproduction, only technology can give same-sex couples the chance of having their own genetic children. If eggs can be made from the stem cells of men, with the advent of an artificial womb (already in use for sharks, in development with mammals and projected to be in use for humans within 100 years), it will also give them an organ they currently have to pay surrogate mothers for the use of.

So if it is to be the egalitarian society that we hope to see for ourselves and our children -- particularly our daughters, and those whose relationships and family choices still find themselves the topic of social and religious debate -- then technology that gives an individual the capability to generate healthy eggs and sperm from his/her own body and allows a baby to be gestated independently could offer us a more ethical option than what we do today.

In our world, girls study just as hard as boys but face far more difficult choices once in the workplace. To make money, poor women from countries like India or the Ukraine "donate" eggs or their wombs, or churches refuse to marry gay couples because they cannot be fruitful and multiply.

Freedom, power, choice? It's the alternative that sounds terrifying to me.


Note that it's the "alternative" to this --- namely, normal natural human procretion --- which "seems terrifying" to author Aarathi Prasad.

I attended (as a spy) a NOW National Convetion a number of years ago, and heard a whole pnael of women agree that the #1 priority of science --- a veritable Manhattan Project --- would be developing a clinical-manufacturing basis for human reproduction, a.s.a.p.

This, because they think that female procreative sexual processes are inherently unjust and incompatible with human equality.

1 posted on 12/21/2012 1:14:06 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

What a brave new world.


2 posted on 12/21/2012 1:16:07 PM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
In the year 6565

You won't need no husband, won't need no wife

You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too

From the bottom of a long glass tube.

3 posted on 12/21/2012 1:17:59 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: MeganC

Huxley would be proud.


4 posted on 12/21/2012 1:18:40 PM PST by Ophiucus
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Reproduction without sacrifice, ownership or responsibility.

Oh wait... I think we have that now.

Better to have a case of “little Johnnies” on a shelf somewhere.


5 posted on 12/21/2012 1:20:32 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: MeganC
See my post #3 Megan dear.

Its terrifying.

6 posted on 12/21/2012 1:22:50 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Reproduction without sacrifice, ownership or responsibility.

Oh wait... I think we have that now.

Better to have a case of “little Johnnies” on a shelf somewhere.


7 posted on 12/21/2012 1:26:07 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Can't we just have the State raise them like back in the old Soviet Union?

/s

8 posted on 12/21/2012 1:26:49 PM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sex without reproduction is much more fun!


9 posted on 12/21/2012 1:27:25 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie (Actually, they lie when it suits them! The crooked MS media must be defeated any way it can be done!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Around age 50, while the rest of our faculties continue functioning beautifully, the ability to reproduce comes to an abrupt stop.

Maybe there's a reason for that.

Does it really make sense to be trying to put-up with teenagers in our mid-60s (or later)?

10 posted on 12/21/2012 1:27:57 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

tax-payers, but no family...!!!

Now doesn’t that sound WONDERFUL...?

Sometimes The State wishes to teach certain types of thinking; gay-marriage, hate whitey, but BAD FAMILIES oppose that, and often prove troublesome to the best hatched plans.

NOW all that will be SOLVED...!!!


11 posted on 12/21/2012 1:29:21 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Reproduction without sex, a liberating future

No, actually a future enabling false antichrist doctrines - in this case, allowing governments to forbidding marriage without stopping reproduction but nevertheless bringing about the complete abolition of the family and liquidation of a benevolent society. This is yet another harbinger of the Biblical end of the age.

Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. 1 Timothy 4:1-3.

12 posted on 12/21/2012 1:29:21 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Who would even want to have children in such a world devoid of love? It would quickly come to be something dictated by the state. And we’ve had plenty of examples to indicate the even greater horrors in store for the descendants of those who would advocate this type of monstrosity.


13 posted on 12/21/2012 1:30:06 PM PST by onedoug
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To: KC_Lion

Zager and Evans were off by about 4,500 years.


14 posted on 12/21/2012 1:32:15 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Mr. Liggett: Alright, Lightman. Maybe you could tell us who first suggested the idea of reproduction without sex.
David Lightman: Umm... Your wife?
[the class erupts into laughter]
Mr. Liggett: [pointing to the door] Get out, Lightman. Get out.
15 posted on 12/21/2012 1:34:17 PM PST by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Sex without ever having sex for reproduction and faithfulness is ultimately pretty empty. I hope you’re not on your way to finding that out.


16 posted on 12/21/2012 1:37:24 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Call me old fashioned... But I wouldn’t have wanted to create my children any other way.


17 posted on 12/21/2012 1:37:48 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Ophiucus

People talk about the Prophet Orwell, but the Prophet Huxley has him beat.


18 posted on 12/21/2012 1:43:36 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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To: Ophiucus

Yep. I predict that Japan will go first. They have the pressing need for more people, a weird societal refusal to reproduce, the technological ability, and the sheer weirdness of it all will appeal to them.


19 posted on 12/21/2012 1:44:12 PM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o

There’s no such thing as automating the creative process.

Women too busy to endure a pregnancy will be too busy to love and raise a child.

Do beaker babies have developed souls?


20 posted on 12/21/2012 1:44:45 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

If humans are created and allowed to develop in a tube, they will have severe problems in life. Humans need to develop inside of their mother, who is aware of them and interacts with them as all pregnant mothers do. Humans need to be born in a loving family, consisting of a nurturing mother and a father who protects the family and who goes out and brings home the bacon.

Trying to make sterile machines out of us will have disastrous consequences for the human race.

Ohhhhh! Not supposed to say things like that! (too damn bad. I said it)


21 posted on 12/21/2012 1:45:33 PM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Reproduction without sex, a liberating future

We already have sex without reproduction, which was also supposed to be "liberating."

22 posted on 12/21/2012 1:47:49 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Psalm 144

Russia too. I remember reading that the birthrate was so low that the government was paying couples to have kids.

Again... All those books and movies where meant to be warnings, not instruction manuals.


23 posted on 12/21/2012 1:53:43 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: SIDENET

I know you meant it as sarcasm, but they’re already between parents and government school attending children on the issues of contraception and abortion, not to mention instructing children on what constitutes a family.


24 posted on 12/21/2012 1:53:43 PM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thes so called scientists are screwing around with nature that is way above their pay grade.


25 posted on 12/21/2012 1:55:57 PM PST by Venturer
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To: MeganC

Aldous Huxley wrote on of the most prescient books of the 20th century. All we lack are artificial wombs. It fits their notion of human beings as organic machines.


26 posted on 12/21/2012 1:59:14 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And what better way for the State to claim full ownership of each person than to eliminate those pesky “parents” that keep claiming some sort of bond with their children.


27 posted on 12/21/2012 2:00:51 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: onedoug

So many orphans are wounded souls. I think of Marilyn Monroe, as one of the most famous of neglected children.


28 posted on 12/21/2012 2:02:34 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Google the author.

She is just another stupid, atheistic progressive.

The longer they go to school, the more brainwashed and therefore unthinking they become.


29 posted on 12/21/2012 2:05:27 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Also notice she has her own web page.

I suspect that, like Singer of Princeton, she is just another attention whore seeking fame and fortune by attempting to shock the ‘peasantry.’


30 posted on 12/21/2012 2:06:28 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: MeganC

Imagine the terrorist potential. Kill someone’s biological future by blowing up the lab or simply cutting power to the freezers holding the unborn children of these career women who are now sterilized.


31 posted on 12/21/2012 2:10:23 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Mrs. Don-o
"There are an enormous number of well-educated, proficient women who, when facing the biological clock, first pay attention to their professional ambitions...

Yes. And they die unloved and alone. Buying a baby off the shelf will not change that.

32 posted on 12/21/2012 2:10:39 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: The_Media_never_lie
It's the whole idea of splitting sex and reproduction --- either way, sex-minus-reproduction or reproduction-minus-sex --- that's perverse.

And by "perverse" I mean: twisted away from sanity, mind, heart, soul, and humanity.

33 posted on 12/21/2012 2:13:00 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child that's got his own." Billie Holiday / Arthur Herzog Jr)
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To: RobbyS

“Frankenstein” was a great book that should be required reading for schoolchildren; they can tout it as an early female author for the PC crowd, then let children see what happens when man messes with nature...


34 posted on 12/21/2012 2:13:22 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: I want the USA back

If humans are created and allowed to develop in a tube, they will have severe problems in life. Humans need to develop inside of their mother, who is aware of them and interacts with them as all pregnant mothers do. ...”Humans need to be born in a loving family, consisting of a nurturing mother and a father who protects the family and who goes out and brings home the bacon.

Trying to make sterile machines out of us will have disastrous consequences for the human race.

Ohhhhh! Not supposed to say things like that! (too damn bad. I said it)”...

I do not know where or when, but Mother Nature is going to roar one of these days and it is not going to be fun to experience.


35 posted on 12/21/2012 2:18:26 PM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

And From Kipling

The Gods of the Copybook Headings

...On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
(Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”


36 posted on 12/21/2012 2:20:26 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yep. Very Orwellian to call it “liberating”.

Brave New World indeed.

It can’t happen here!

Already is


37 posted on 12/21/2012 2:34:08 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Morgana

“sounds terrifying”

the real world that is

Always the worst enemy of leftists


38 posted on 12/21/2012 2:40:18 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JCBreckenridge
People talk about the Prophet Orwell, but the Prophet Huxley has him beat.

Indeed! Huxley wrote Brave New World in 1931, envisioning that mad world some 600 years in the future. By the 1950's, he admitted he may have been off and it was happening a lot sooner, some of it happening then. He envisioned a portrait of a future world of instant nonsensical news, goods and resources are plentiful, children are created outside the womb in hatcheries and brainwashed in their education, citizens are conditioned to value consumption, and people enjoy drugs and recreational sex.

39 posted on 12/21/2012 3:03:10 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Psalm 144

To what degree is Japan’s problem it’s lack of affordable housing? If they stopped giving farmers so much protection and built a lot more housing, families could get apartments larger than a rabbit hutch and feel comfortable having two kids instead of literally squeezing in one.


40 posted on 12/21/2012 3:18:00 PM PST by tbw2
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To: DuncanWaring

Exactly. This is so stupid. Bodies are meant to procreate when they are young because younger parents are on average much healthier, have much more energy, and are less likely to get hurt doing, well, kid things.


41 posted on 12/21/2012 3:47:34 PM PST by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: MeganC

Who needs a family then?

It’s what the libtard global architects want.

People in general are more loyal to family and religion than the faceless and often indifferent or intrusive, state.

It’s because they have different non-overlapping roles the others can’t really do. But libtards don’t get that.

They think simple elimination will automatically make people loyal to the state.

That works just about as well as gun-free zones do.


42 posted on 12/21/2012 3:56:42 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: HangnJudge
As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,

The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

43 posted on 12/21/2012 4:22:01 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("God bless the child that's got his own." Billie Holiday / Arthur Herzog Jr)
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