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Minnesotans respond to NRA's proposal for armed guards in schools
minnesota.publicradio.org ^ | December 21, 2012 | Brandt Williams

Posted on 12/21/2012 6:50:06 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

MINNEAPOLIS — At a press conference Friday, the National Rifle Association proposed adding armed security at all U.S. schools.

The organization's suggestion comes exactly one week after 20 children and six adults were shot to death in a Connecticut school. Members of Minnesota's Congressional delegation, and some members of the NRA, are divided on the proposal.

NRA executive vice president Wayne LaPierre announced Operation School Shield during a presentation interrupted twice by protesters who shouted that the NRA is to blame for gun violence. LaPierre ignored the protestors and said violent movies and video games were to blame for the carnage that took the lives of 26 people inside Sandy Hook elementary school last week. Had there been an armed guard or police officer at the school that day, LaPierre said, maybe their lives would have been spared.

"With all the money in the federal budget, can't we afford to put a police officer in every single school," Minnesota Democrat Tim Walz said. "I refuse to believe that our schools have to become armed encampments where our children don't feel safe."

Walz represents the First Congressional District. He is a former educator and a current member of the NRA. The gun rights group endorsed Walz during his recent reelection campaign. But Walz said the plan suggested by the NRA ignores several other ways to try to reduce gun violence that he and other 2nd Amendment supporters are considering.

"From accessibility of weapons, to mental health parity, to background check funding; to every issue that's out there," Walz said. "But I can't state how incredibly disappointed I am with the approach taken this morning."

Other Minnesota lawmakers also say the answer to last week's shooting must involve other options. Sen. Al Franken said he has listened to hunters, mental health professionals and other stakeholders who suggested — what he calls — common sense solutions. The Minnesota Democrat said some people are discussing tightening rules that allow private gun sales without a background check. Private sales amount to about 40 percent of all gun sales, Franken said.

"That's like having, at the airport, letting 40 percent of the people go through without being checked," Franken said.

Democratic Sen. Amy Klobuchar also named several alternatives to the NRA's plan. She supports renewing the ban on "assault weapons" and is open to exploring restrictions on high-capacity magazines.

"There are a number of things where we can come together in a common sense approach," Klobuchar said. "And I'm much more interested in talking about that going forward than the divisiveness. I think there's room to get something done here for the first time in years and there should be."

There are already armed police officers in Minnesota schools. In the Minneapolis Public School system, the third largest district in the state, 16 armed Minneapolis police officers work as liasion officers in more than 70 schools. The officers are more than armed security guards, former Minneapolis police chief Tim Dolan said.

"They're there for bus loading, bus unloading, traffic safety. They also bond with the kids and help in many other ways," Dolan said. "So it's been a win-win, especially in the city of Minneapolis."

Dolan said school administrators and local law enforcement officials are those who are most qualified to make decisions about school safety — not the NRA.

Over the last several days, MPR News has spoken with Minnesotans in the Public Insight Network who identify as NRA-members. Many had opinions similiar to those of Joe DeSua of Apple Valley. DeSua teaches firearms safety classes for people who want to obtain a gun carry permit. He said armed security is a good idea, as long as it is part of a plan implemented by the schools, not by the state or federal government.

"I think that having either armed teachers in the classrooms or armed guards or armed police there will help diminish the chances of this happening or if they do happen will diminish the amount of damage done," DeSua said.

He said that teachers should have to volunteer to carry a gun and would have to undergo special training.

The idea of more guns in Minnesota schools and classrooms is not popular with the state teachers union. Education Minnesota president Tom Dooher in a statement said that the solution to gun violence is not more guns. However, Dooher added that if there is armed security in schools, it should be provided by police officers, and not teachers.


TOPICS: US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/21/2012 6:50:10 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

If an on-duty police officer or National Guardsman should be stationed at a school, what about the same person off-duty? It’s the same person, who is just as trusted and trustable when not in uniform. If not, why not, and if so, why not “ordinary citizens” who have concealed-carry permits, who therefore are also trusted by The State with deadly weapons?


2 posted on 12/21/2012 7:07:48 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I wonder, do schools have a legal responsibility to protect the children when the latter are in those schools? If so, and they fail in their responsibilities, can the school districts be sued for negligence? In other words, can a wrongful death suit be filed against the district, the teachers and their union?


3 posted on 12/21/2012 7:10:23 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

So how many armed guards should be at one school, and what happens when that guard answers the call of nature.

No way can one guard look out for a whole school.

No: I am not for armed guards at all schools.


4 posted on 12/21/2012 7:16:05 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Thanks, TGJ

Sure, put an armed rent a cop in every movie house and lots of em in every other Gun free environment. They will need certifications of course and distinctive attire to better recognize their position as officialism gun barbers. Let’s just see, Brown shirt would be a good start...

Wain LaPue is a shill.

Rab


5 posted on 12/21/2012 7:22:14 PM PST by Rabin
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The bottom line is the Left want to disarm law abiding citizens and leave guns in the hands of street gangs because they can’t get those guns. It’s easier to take them from legal owners. I think lots of those guns will somehow fall into lakes and rivers.


6 posted on 12/21/2012 7:23:16 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer

Baraq’s peeps vote for Dems exclusively.

So nothing will ever be done to p*ss them off, least of all taking away their guns.


7 posted on 12/21/2012 7:26:47 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I DON’T CARE WHAT THEY DO IN THEIR SCHOOLS BUT THEY CAN THEIR GOD DAMNED HANDS OUT OF MY GUN SAFE.


8 posted on 12/21/2012 7:29:40 PM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Minnesota Democrat Tim Walz said. "I refuse to believe that our schools have to become armed encampments where our children don't feel safe."

Do you believe kids feel safe now after what happened in Newtown? One armed person there could have averted that massacre.

9 posted on 12/21/2012 7:29:59 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Dolan said school administrators and local law enforcement officials are those who are most qualified to make decisions about school safety — not the NRA.

Well gee....that worked out so well for the teachers and students murdered in Newtown! No one there was able to stop the killer!

If my child were one of the ones killed, I'd be suing the city, the school administrators, the state and the feds for failure to secure my child's safety. They've known all along that "gun-free" zones don't work and they've done absolutely NOTHING to prevent what happened.

10 posted on 12/21/2012 7:33:30 PM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Venturer
No: I am not for armed guards at all schools.

You accept mass murder at a few schools then?

11 posted on 12/21/2012 7:34:02 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Instead of guns inside the schools, why not well trained and armed volunteers at all corners of the school property until this crap stops or the gov. gets serious about protecting our kids.


12 posted on 12/21/2012 7:39:09 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: Venturer
When I was an armed Guard like you... the same thing always happened to me....Every time I took a piss, the people that were paying me got robbed!...

You need a disability payment now!...either from the trauma from being robbed so much...or just being an idiot...check the box that most applies to you!

[] Idiot
[]

13 posted on 12/21/2012 7:50:06 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Rabin

Why don’t we instead rid the country of “gun free zones” aka killing fields?


14 posted on 12/21/2012 7:53:23 PM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

You simply cannot make every gun in America disappear. End of story. Start from that premise, because it cannot and will not change.

Making schools, shopping malls, office buildings, etc., into “gun-free zones” has been a total disaster. Such places can NEVER be made completely safe from the “wolves” in our midst. And all it takes is one wolf — whether it’s a terrorist or a drug-addled mental defective or somebody answering Satan’s call — and the unguarded sheep are in deadly danger.

What we need are sheep dogs. Armed civilians, in the middle of the flock of sheep, who will bare their teeth if a wolf dares to make its presence felt. Our best defense is somebody doing their regular job, but with a gun available should trouble arrive.

I don’t like the idea of armed police officers in every school. That reinforces the unAmerican belief that only the police and the military are capable of carrying guns; hiring at least two “detail” cops per day would be very costly; and such a move would bring us one step closer to martial law. All of us by law belong to the “militia” and it is our duty to provide for our own defense.

Every school has at least one custodian on duty at all times, even late at night if the school is still open. Let’s start there. I’m not talking about Charlie the Janitor prowling the halls with an AR-15 and bandoleer ... just a .45 in his locker in case of trouble. (Hiring preference for veterans, maybe?)

We must have the ability to fight back. The guns are out there and the wolves may appear at any moment. Low-key “sheep dogs” are a logical place to draw a line and hold it.


15 posted on 12/21/2012 8:39:06 PM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. No exceptions.)
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>> Walz said. “But I can’t state how incredibly disappointed I am with the approach taken this morning.”

>> Dolan said school administrators and local law enforcement officials are those who are most qualified to make decisions about school safety — not the NRA.

To Hell with ideas and proposals.


16 posted on 12/21/2012 8:46:25 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Gene Eric

Milwaukee: Sheriff calls for armed school guards, condemns gun control

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2970615/posts

Dolan would say he’s “unqualified” to speak,too.


17 posted on 12/21/2012 8:59:55 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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"That's like having, at the airport, letting 40 percent of the people go through without being checked," Franken said.

Well moron, 95% of them DON'T NEED to be checked.

18 posted on 12/21/2012 9:11:57 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Rabin
Sure, put an armed rent a cop in every movie house and lots of em in every other Gun free environment. They will need certifications of course and distinctive attire to better recognize their position as officialism gun barbers. Let’s just see, Brown shirt would be a good start...

Wain LaPue is a shill.

Do you have a better idea? We have armed guards in Brinks trucks protecting our worthless currency, what value do we place on our children?

19 posted on 12/21/2012 10:40:31 PM PST by fellowpatriot
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To: Venturer

We already have them in our public highschools.


20 posted on 12/21/2012 11:52:38 PM PST by blondee123 (DICTATORSHIP HAS ARRIVED! Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: Venturer

We already have them in our public highschools.


21 posted on 12/21/2012 11:52:38 PM PST by blondee123 (DICTATORSHIP HAS ARRIVED! Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The only thing I don’t like about putting armed guards in schools and other places is that it will further incentivize folks to keep guns out of the hands of Citizens because “they won’t need them anymore due to the ‘official protectorate’ in place”.


22 posted on 12/22/2012 4:13:52 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: blondee123

We have them in our High Schools too, but they aren’t to protect the kids, they are to protect the teachers from the kids.

Sorry, but that is no joke.The police are needed in the schools to control the students, of course seeing as how they are there they can serve a dual purpose I suppose.


23 posted on 12/22/2012 4:19:50 AM PST by Venturer
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To: M-cubed

LOL being called an idiot by you doesn’t bother me in the least, since obviously you feel one guard can protect a whole school 24/7, always on the alert. We know who the idiot is.


24 posted on 12/22/2012 4:22:51 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Alaska Wolf

LOL, Great response.

Anyone who thinks we can put one guard in all schools and keep the kids safe is a fool.It would take a cadre of guards.
Can you guess how many doors and windows are in the average school.
Where would the guard be? Would he have an office?If so how much time would he spend in that office?
More Govt. jobs, more Govt. pensions, What type of test would this guard have to pass, the qualifications.Would his pay be commenserate with State Police? Would he be under the school board as a rent-a cop or part of the police Department.Would he wander around the school or be stationed at some point?
Why not just turn the schools into Forts put barbed wire around them to keep people out and kids in a fence around the perimeter and guards in watch towers.

Armed gurads sounds like an easy answer, but it isn’t.


25 posted on 12/22/2012 4:34:12 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Tailgunner Joe

First it is a false premise of Marxism that Police are to protect. They do not and cannot and it is wrong to perpetuate the lie. Police exist to enforce the law and do so by apprehending law breakers AFTER THE FACT.

The Police do not, cannot and should never be believed to PREVENT crime. After all, how does anyone know who MIGHT do something bad? The entire purpose of civil government exists ONLY to punish evil doers. PERIOD.

Security belongs to the individuals in society. Any people willing to trade that liberty for security from another are, as Ben Franklin put it so well 200 years ago: Unworthy of either.


26 posted on 12/22/2012 9:41:15 AM PST by Waywardson (I did not vote for that pro-abortionist candidate!)
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To: Venturer

>”what happens when that guard answers the call of nature”<

Depends...


27 posted on 12/22/2012 10:02:47 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Venturer

Venturer - I think you are overlooking the simple point that these Murderers of Children are nothing but Cowards looking to make a name for themselves.

If they are aware that there is a possibility they will be met with Armed Resistance, they will avoid the location and look for a softer target.

Having an Armed Guard at every School will not guarantee that Mass Murder will be never be attempted there, but it will give the wannabe Killer something to consider before they try to live out their fantasy.

Just my.02...


28 posted on 12/22/2012 10:09:35 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Venturer

“since obviously you feel one guard can protect a whole school 24/7”

I don’t know where you live but around here our kids don’t go to school “24/7”.


29 posted on 12/22/2012 11:06:23 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"That's like having, at the airport, letting 40 percent of the people go through without being checked," Franken said.

Hey, Al baby...

It's called "freedom" and "liberty", something once enshrined in our culture and the Constitution before you and your slimy pals got your tyrannical hands on it.

Now we have no freedom left in airports as we are intimately poked, prodded, and photographed by your hireling affirmative-action TSA Union thugs. So, it is not surprising you and your fellow-traveling Communist toadies are promoting the same treatment in all areas of our lives including one specifically enumerated in the Constitution as being off limits to your depredations!

A pox on you and your ilk...

30 posted on 12/22/2012 12:26:58 PM PST by Gritty (Every armed, trained citizen makes this county a better place - Dave Grossman, Self Defense Expert)
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To: Venturer
Anyone who thinks we can put one guard in all schools and keep the kids safe is a fool.

Is there a sky marshal on every plane? Are sky marshals uniformed? Why not?

Only fools believe the problem of school security shouldn't be addressed. Any school district employee could qualify to be a "school marshal".

Why not just turn the schools into Forts put barbed wire around them to keep people out and kids in a fence around the perimeter and guards in watch towers

Why not just have a surgeon remove your head from your colon?

31 posted on 12/22/2012 12:27:20 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Yes you have the answers, I am just plain wrong.

Lets hire a half million or so armed guards and have them join SEIU, and guard the schools. That will bring in many jobs and give 100% prrotection to the kids.

I am with you.

There are approximately 125,000 schools in the United States, Lets see we will at least 2 guards per school, Uniforms, firearms and training and a salary of at least $30,000 dollars per each, a few in case some are on sick leave and they need to fill in. Nothing to it. Let’s git ‘er done.

Any school district employees can qualify LMAO


32 posted on 12/22/2012 1:31:25 PM PST by Venturer
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To: saleman

Yes, but what is to stop someone from breaking in at night and waiting for the kids to arrive.

Will the guard check each room in the morning before allowing anyone in?


33 posted on 12/22/2012 1:35:04 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Kickass Conservative

Obviously many in here think I am wrong and we should have armed guards in schools.

Most haven’t thought of the details, the costs, the training needed,The SEIU wanting to Unionise them,Background checks,Salaries, pensions, costs too numerous to even think of them all. Different communities would need more guards than other communities.

“If they are aware that there is a possibility they will be met with Armed Resistance, they will avoid the location and look for a softer target.”

Or take out the armed guard first.

It appears to be the consemsus that we need armed guards at school. I disagree , but it appears it is a mortal sin here to not agree with the majority.


34 posted on 12/22/2012 1:44:53 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Kickass Conservative

LMAO, Best answer of the thread.


35 posted on 12/22/2012 1:45:25 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer
Yes you have the answers,

I don't claim to have the answers, but unlike you, I believe we have the duty and responsibility to address the problem.

Lets hire a half million or so armed guard

Why is that necessary, drama queen? Many schools have security personnel on staff now and any employee that can pass a school district background check and has the will to take on the additional responsibility could become an armed school "marshal". Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

Are sky marshals uniformed? Why not?

LMAO

You'd just totally disappear.

36 posted on 12/22/2012 1:49:40 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Hey I said you have the answers why keep bugging me/

You are right accept that. Arm whoever you like.


37 posted on 12/22/2012 3:27:20 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer
why keep bugging me

I want to see the results of you LYAO!

38 posted on 12/22/2012 3:38:50 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Venturer
I’m glad at least one person got it. LOL

We’ll just agree to disagree on the Armed Guard issue.

We are living in a Feminized Society nowadays, so the only thing the Liberals are worried about is protecting themselves from is us Conservatives.

They see no difference in disarming Law Abiding Citizens or Criminals. The problem of course lies in the fact that the only ones that would actually be disarmed are the Law Abiding Citizens.

To Liberals it’s the thought that counts. Their road is always paved with good intentions, and the bodies of innocents.

39 posted on 12/22/2012 5:41:10 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

In 1988 I was transferred here to Oklahoma and we started house hunting. One of the reasons why we chose our house was because the school district, Putnam City Schools, has it own armed police force.


40 posted on 12/23/2012 9:59:53 AM PST by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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